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You should get it through your thick skull that nothing can actually be "unlimited". <cut>

How long do you and others think you deserve your free ride on this plan? Serious question.

Wow.

Free ride? No one received the unlimited data plan for free. Those of us that have it, have been paying for it. And the majority of us have been paying more then the average data used for lower-cost plans. So in reality, AT&T has been making out on the deal.

And if you want to talk about a thick skull, what's not to understand about the word unlimited and what it means in the English language? Unlimited means without limits. If you can't understand that, then please go back to school and study the English language to better understand what it means.

AT&T is the one that offered us the ability to purchase an unlimited plan and we purchased it. These carriers should not be allowed to use "smoke & mirrors" to deceive people when entering into an agreement. Unlimited should be unlimited, simple as that.

Bryan
 
Yessssssssss. Of course, AT&T will lose, then add miscellaneous fees to Unlimited data customers.

See, this is actually my fear. I only really care about the unlimited cause I like that I won't get overage fees if I ever go over. Hell, it gives me more GBs before it throttles then I ever use anyways. For cheaper than their current plans.

My fear is this will push AT&T to just get rid of them entirely and stop grandfathering them. And honestly, it's still the best plan for me of any that are offered. I just hope if that happens T-Mobile has good coverage in the places I go cause they have the next best acceptable plans.

And honestly, I actually happen to agree with AT&T on this. Because they are still giving you data when they throttle, it's not like they cut you off or charge you fees. yeah, it slows down, but I thought the whole point was unlimited data... which doesn't actually say what speed that data goes at (now I note T-Mobile is very good about saying Unlimited LTE or 2GBs of LTE... notice even their wording specifies what speed. AT&T's really doesn't).

If you are going to argue that throttling it is limited cause then you can only get so much in a certain time... unless they have an infinite speed than it has always been limited, even if they never throttle it slower than their fastest speed.
 
If AT&T removes grandfathered unlimited data plans, I have NO problem whatsoever going to T-Mobile while paying a lot less and getting a lot more.
 
Read your contract.
Data speeds are not guaranteed or implied.
Your interpretation of "unlimited" is irrelevant to what the definition in the contract states.
Get that through your thick skull.
Next time you agree to a contract, try READING it first.

I'm no AT&T apologist. I didn't like what they did to the "unlimited" plan, so I picked up my toys and left. Not playing their game anymore.

ok, and if they start throttling you after 1/2 GB, then what? will you be singing the same tune?
 
You should get it through your thick skull that nothing can actually be "unlimited". It was a stupid thing for AT&T to sell but they should also be allowed to return the actual service back to the realm of the reasonable and not be beholden to a "gotcha" from a handful of customers until the end of time. Just pay for what you use. It is a simple concept. If you use more than other customers, pay more than other customers.

How long do you and others think you deserve your free ride on this plan? Serious question. Is it your believe that you have a legal right to unlimited data through AT&T's network for your iPhone or whatever future device you associate with that phone number? And that this device goes on forever? Even past your death (since contract rights can be past on as an inheritance)?

If AT&T doesn't want it, they shouldn't have sold it.

Unlimited means what it says, and customers have a reasonable expectation that if you sell it that you are going to make a good faith effort to provide it. This imaginary world where AT&T is going to weasel out of a contract by the letter of the law doesn't exist. AT&T is a very large company, they should have been taken to task about this long ago, and there is zero reason to throttle a paying unlimited customer if they are not congesting the network at a particular time.

Large companies like AT&T have a tendency to try and squeeze customers via their pricing models and user hostile policies because their customers have no other choice. The FTC knows that a company is supposed to win by virtue of better service, not by playing games with their users. Which side do you think this falls on?
 
This garbage by AT&T was one of many reasons why I switched to T-Mobile. My brother still uses AT&T in the same area I do and he says AT&T network has been getting worse since that time. Couple that with AT&T's asinine decision to lock Apple SIMs for no reason and they'll lose even more customers. My brother is about to take his iPad and iPhone away from AT&T. Hate that company with a passion.
 
I have never received this text and get throttled 10-15 days into my billing cycle every month.

just curious how you are using your phone where you use 5 gb in 15 days? Im still on the plan, use itunes match, hae two corporate emails and 3 personal. Ans i still use about 2.5 every month.
 
If AT&T removes grandfathered unlimited data plans, I have NO problem whatsoever going to T-Mobile while paying a lot less and getting a lot more.

How does one get a lot more with T Mo? Certainly not more coverage and definitely not more speed. Not hating on T Mo but lets face it you get what you pay for and that goes for customer service too.
 
That business shouldn't offer UNLIMITED breadsticks then. They are paying for unlimited data and AT&T agreed under contract to supply them with unlimited data, not throttled speed data, or capped data, "unlimited." It has nothing to do with entitlement. They should be getting as much as they want to consume without restrictions or limitations. The customers aren't the ones who offered unlimited in the first place, AT&T is and they are at fault.

If you understand the history of data networks with the carriers, you know that unlimited data at the beginning was not a detriment to their systems (at 2G speeds or less). Back then it was about number of minutes and text messages that were limited. Now that's all flip-flopped--mostly thanks to the iPhone and the proliferation of smart phones in general. AT&T was well within its rights to do away completely with the unlimited data. They didn't have to grandfather anyone. Throttling is annoying and to those that complain about it, I say exercise your right as a consumer and either go to one of the tiered plans or to one of the other carriers. I have never paid less per month for service since getting an iPhone in 2009 and couldn't be happier.
 
Throttling means by definition to limit "unlimited data" !

Exactly.

I get the feeling a significant amount of court room haggling will be over the meaning and semantics of "unlimited".

"Unlimited data" -- AT&T will claim they only ever offered unlimited data, and that they do not turn off data to these customers when they are in good standing.

"Unlimited bandwidth" -- AT&T will claim that they never advertised nor offered nor contracted for unlimited bandwidth.

"Unrestricted data" -- this is what customers desire, but AT&T will claim they never offered nor contracted for it.

"Unrestricted bandwidth" -- customers also desire this, but again AT&T will claim they never offered nor contracted for it.

I expect AT&T will argue vigorously that "unlimited" does not equal "unrestricted". Then they will argue vigorously that because they did not contract "unrestricted data or bandwidth" by extension what they have contracted is in fact "restricted data and bandwidth". Then they will argue vigorously that "throttling" is a legitimate and practical means of managing the "restricted data and bandwidth" they have contracted with the customer.

AT&T will boldly respond to the court saying, "Yes, your honor, unlimited means unlimited -- just as unrestricted means unrestricted. We contracted for unlimited data -- not unlimited bandwidth, not unrestricted bandwidth, and not unrestricted data. The language is unambiguous and we have done nothing wrong."

Please don't get me wrong -- I'm not condoning AT&T's actions. I just don't see the FTC wringing much out of this that will be favorable to customers.:(
I think you do not understand words: unlimited data, unrestricted bandwidth. If you restrict bandwidth, you are going to limit "unlimited data"-it is absolutely logical and technical statement. I do not think you possess any technical or logical skill according to your statement. :eek:
 
Exactly.

I get the feeling a significant amount of court room haggling will be over the meaning and semantics of "unlimited".

"Unlimited data" -- AT&T will claim they only ever offered unlimited data, and that they do not turn off data to these customers when they are in good standing.

"Unlimited bandwidth" -- AT&T will claim that they never advertised nor offered nor contracted for unlimited bandwidth.

"Unrestricted data" -- this is what customers desire, but AT&T will claim they never offered nor contracted for it.

"Unrestricted bandwidth" -- customers also desire this, but again AT&T will claim they never offered nor contracted for it.

I expect AT&T will argue vigorously that "unlimited" does not equal "unrestricted". Then they will argue vigorously that because they did not contract "unrestricted data or bandwidth" by extension what they have contracted is in fact "restricted data and bandwidth". Then they will argue vigorously that "throttling" is a legitimate and practical means of managing the "restricted data and bandwidth" they have contracted with the customer.

AT&T will boldly respond to the court saying, "Yes, your honor, unlimited means unlimited -- just as unrestricted means unrestricted. We contracted for unlimited data -- not unlimited bandwidth, not unrestricted bandwidth, and not unrestricted data. The language is unambiguous and we have done nothing wrong."

Please don't get me wrong -- I'm not condoning AT&T's actions. I just don't see the FTC wringing much out of this that will be favorable to customers.:(

i think a good laywer would argue while that is true, the experience is so restricted that it might as well be shut down, and hte user has the right to the same experience n the 1st GB of data to the Nth one.but i'm not a lawyer so who knows.
 
I think you do not understand words: unlimited data, unrestricted bandwidth. If you restrict bandwidth, you are going to limit "unlimited data"-it is absolutely logical and technical statement. I do not think you possess any technical or logical skill according to your statement. :eek:

The telling lack there is speed. Nothing was mentioned about the speed that the unlimited data would reach you.

BL.
 
This garbage by AT&T was one of many reasons why I switched to T-Mobile. My brother still uses AT&T in the same area I do and he says AT&T network has been getting worse since that time. Couple that with AT&T's asinine decision to lock Apple SIMs for no reason and they'll lose even more customers. My brother is about to take his iPad and iPhone away from AT&T. Hate that company with a passion.

Then leave and never look back. I don't understand all the angst, especially with all the competition out there.
 
The telling lack there is speed. Nothing was mentioned about the speed that the unlimited data would reach you.

BL.

You keep saying that like the two are unrelated and that AT&T can willfully screw you on speed or packet loss any time it wants for no reason at all. Let me assure you now that no court will see it that way. Contracts don't work that way. Near monopolies like AT&T get even less leeway.
 
You should get it through your thick skull that nothing can actually be "unlimited". It was a stupid thing for AT&T to sell but they should also be allowed to return the actual service back to the realm of the reasonable and not be beholden to a "gotcha" from a handful of customers until the end of time. Just pay for what you use. It is a simple concept. If you use more than other customers, pay more than other customers.

How long do you and others think you deserve your free ride on this plan? Serious question. Is it your believe that you have a legal right to unlimited data through AT&T's network for your iPhone or whatever future device you associate with that phone number? And that this device goes on forever? Even past your death (since contract rights can be past on as an inheritance)?

How come I can use 75GB of data on T-Mobile and pay less per month and not get throttled and those on AT&T pay for unlimited and get throttled after 2GB or 5GB depending? Is that fair?
 
The telling lack there is speed. Nothing was mentioned about the speed that the unlimited data would reach you.

BL.

Exactly. When my "unlimited" contract was agreed to yeas ago, it was Edge data speeds, for the most part. 3G was spotty and LTE was a glimmer of hope in the far off future.
 
I suspect AT&T may sue this to pull a Verizon. If you are on an unlimited plan no subsidized upgrade for you!! If you want the subsidies you have to switch plans.
 
You keep saying that like the two are unrelated and that AT&T can willfully screw you on speed or packet loss any time it wants for no reason at all. Let me assure you now that no court will see it that way. Contracts don't work that way. Near monopolies like AT&T get even less leeway.

I would love to have you explain how AT&T is a near monopoly.

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How come I can use 75GB of data on T-Mobile and pay less per month and not get throttled and those on AT&T pay for unlimited and get throttled after 2GB or 5GB depending? Is that fair?

What would not be fair is not being allowed to switch to T-Mobile.
 
ok, and if they start throttling you after 1/2 GB, then what? will you be singing the same tune?
I would be leaving. Simple as that. (Which I did do. I paid the ETF's on two phones and walked.)
Read your contracts people.

http://www.att.com/shop/en/legalterms.html?toskey=wirelessCustomerAgreement


This is AT&T's out. And every one of you complaining about it, agreed to it.

6.2 What Are The Intended Uses Of AT&T's Wireless Data Service? AT&T's wireless data network is a shared resource, which AT&T manages for the benefit of all of its customers so that they can enjoy a consistent, high-quality mobile broadband experience and a broad range of mobile Internet services, applications and content. However, certain activities and uses of the network by an individual customer or small group of customers can negatively impact the use and enjoyment of the network by others. Therefore, certain activities and uses of AT&T’s wireless data service are permitted and others are prohibited. The terms and conditions of your use of AT&T’s wireless data service are set forth below.
Permitted Activities. AT&T's wireless data services are intended to be used for the following permitted activities: (i) web browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access if permitted by your rate plan (for example, access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation); (d) uploading and downloading applications and content to and from the Internet or third-party application stores, and (e) using applications and content without excessively contributing to network congestion.
You agree to use AT&T's wireless data services only for these permitted activities.
Prohibited Activities: AT&T's wireless data services are not intended to be used in any manner which has any of the following effects and such use is prohibited if it: (a) conflicts with applicable law, (b) hinders other customers’ access to the wireless network, (c) compromises network security or capacity, (d) excessively and disproportionately contributes to network congestion, (e) adversely impacts network service levels or legitimate data flows, (f) degrades network performance, (g) causes harm to the network or other customers, (h) is resold either alone or as part of any other good or service, (i) tethers a wireless device to a computing device (such as a computer, Smartphone, eBook or eReader, media player, laptop, or other devices with similar functions) through use of connection kits, applications, devices or accessories (using wired or wireless technology) and you have not subscribed to a specific data plan designed for this purpose, or (j) there is a specific data plan required for a particular use and you have not subscribed to that plan.
The following specific uses of AT&T's wireless data service are prohibited:

  • AT&T’s wireless data services may not be used in any manner that defeats, obstructs or penetrates, or attempts to defeat, obstruct or penetrate the security measures of AT&T’s wireless network or systems, or another entity’s network or systems; that accesses, or attempts to access without authority, the accounts of others; or that adversely affects the ability of other people or systems to use either AT&T’s wireless services or other parties’ Internet-based resources. For example, this includes, but is not limited to, malicious software or “malware” that is designed, intentionally or unintentionally, to infiltrate a network or computer system such as spyware, worms, Trojan horses, rootkits, and/or crimeware; “denial of service” attacks against a network host or individual user; and “spam” or unsolicited commercial or bulk email (or activities that have the effect of facilitating unsolicited commercial email or unsolicited bulk e-mail).
  • AT&T’s wireless data services may not be used in any manner that has the effect of excessively contributing to network congestion, hindering other customers’ access to the network, or degrading network performance by maintaining a sustained and continuous wireless data service connection or active wireless Internet connection. For example, this includes, but is not limited to, server devices or host computer applications such as continuous Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, or automated machine-to-machine connections; “auto-responders,” “cancel-bots,” or similar automated or manual routines that generate excessive amounts of traffic or that disrupt user
    groups or email use by others; use of the service as a substitute or backup for private lines or full-time or dedicated data connections; peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing services; and software or other devices that maintain continuous active Internet connections when a connection would otherwise be idle or any “keep alive” functions, unless they adhere to AT&T data retry requirements (as may be modified from time to time).
  • AT&T’s wireless data services also may not be used with high bandwidth applications, services and content that are not optimized to work with AT&T's wireless data services and, therefore disproportionately and excessively contribute to network congestion. This includes, but is not limited to, redirecting television signals for viewing on computing devices, web broadcasting, and/or the operation of servers, telemetry devices, or supervisory control and data acquisition devices, unless they meet AT&T's wireless data services optimization requirements.

You agree not to use AT&T’s wireless data services for any of these prohibited activities.
AT&T’s Rights to Ensure Compliance. You agree that AT&T has the right to take any and all actions necessary to enforce this Section 6.2 if you use AT&T’s wireless data services in any manner that is prohibited, including, but not limited to, the following actions:

  • AT&T may modify, without advance notice, the permitted and prohibited activities, and the optimization requirements for your wireless data services;
  • AT&T may engage in any reasonable network management practice to enhance customer service, to reduce network congestion, to adapt to advances and changes in technology, and/or to respond to the availability of wireless bandwidth and spectrum;
  • AT&T may reduce your data throughput speeds at any time or place if your data usage exceeds an applicable, identified usage threshold during any billing cycle. AT&T will provide you with advance notice of the usage threshold applicable to your data plan, or any changes to the applicable usage threshold either by a bill insert, email, text message or other appropriate means;
  • AT&T may use reasonable methods to monitor and collect customer usage information to better optimize the operation of the network. Details concerning the information that AT&T collects about its customers, and how it uses and protects that information are addressed in the AT&T Privacy Policy (see att.com/privacy);
  • If you are an AT&T unlimited data plan customer, AT&T may migrate you from the unlimited data plan to a tiered data plan and bill you the appropriate monthly fees. We will provide you with notice of this change at least one billing cycle in advance either by a bill insert, email, text message, or other appropriate means;
  • AT&T may interrupt, suspend, cancel or terminate your wireless data services without advance notice.

Unlimited Data Customers. If you are a grandfathered AT&T unlimited plan data service customer, you agree that “unlimited” means you pay a fixed monthly charge for wireless data service regardless of how much data you use. You further agree that “unlimited” does not mean that you can use AT&T’s wireless data service in any way that you choose or for any prohibited activities, and that if you use your unlimited data plan in any manner that is prohibited, AT&T can limit, restrict, suspend or terminate your data service or switch you to a tiered data plan.
 
I would love to have you explain how AT&T is a near monopoly.

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What would not be fair is not being allowed to switch to T-Mobile.

Well, I quit AT&T nearly two years ago because I got tired of never being able to get 3G or now, LTE at my house. Tried AT&T on my iPad and still can't get LTE here in my part of Denver Colorado.

T-Mobile is the only carrier who can get me LTE here.

It's like I live in a hole here near the Boulder Turnpike and I-25.

Anyways, I broke my contract with AT&T to come to T-Mobile and have not regretted that once.
 
Well, I quit AT&T nearly two years ago because I got tired of never being able to get 3G or now, LTE at my house. Tried AT&T on my iPad and still can't get LTE here in my part of Denver Colorado.

T-Mobile is the only carrier who can get me LTE here.

It's like I live in a hole here near the Boulder Turnpike and I-25.

Anyways, I broke my contract with AT&T to come to T-Mobile and have not regretted that once.

So, again, what's not fair?
 
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