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How was it a smart move? Wouldn't the terms that Apple and Qualcomm settled with disqualify any renegotiating of licensing or royalties for the next 6 years?

If a judge orders Qualcomm to renegotiate contracts, then they have to renegotiate contracts.
 
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I agree Apple would always renegotiate for better terms. But I always thought that Apple/Qualcomm settling early was an olive branch by Qualcomm towards the FTC saying “see, we’re changing our ways”.
Apple and Qualcomm know what the terms are, and nobody else. The damage of Intel leaving the competition is done.
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Second guess is that Apple found out that Intel wasn't going to be making 5G modems after all, they announced it something like the day after the Apple-Qualcomm settlement was announced, and that hence the least worst outcome would be achieved by settling before Qualcomm found out.
I think that was the other way round. Obviously Apple and Intel would have talked about this. Apple is a _huge_ customer, so I assume with Apple willing to buy Intel chips, Intel would have continued. And with Apple/Qualcomm settling, they wouldn't and didn't.
 
Then why did Apple settle so soon...?

anti-competitive practices by Qualcomm and no alternative to chip supply.
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FRAND, meaning apple should be paying more. Non discriminary means all should be paying same, not cheaper because of exclusive deals.

huh?
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Oh boy, with all these lawsuits and trade war going on. This year's new iPhone is gonna be suck!

? This makes no sense, perhaps you could expand your thoughts.
 
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I'm always against monopolistic behavior, but given all the lawsuits that have been flying around in tech-world lately, I'm not sure that this will result in any significant change in the way business is done in the industry. Now, where's my patent on electricity? I think I can sock it to anybody that uses the stuff.....
 
Looks like Apple had the inside scoop on how the FTC was going to rule

Apple wanting the best components for the 2020 iPhone didn’t want to sue Qualcomm into oblivion without having a viable alternative to 5G chips

This was a smart chess move
Qualcomm has been found guilty in many other countries of this same crime, so I guess Apple could add two and two ...
 
Looks like Apple had the inside scoop on how the FTC was going to rule

Apple wanting the best components for the 2020 iPhone didn’t want to sue Qualcomm into oblivion without having a viable alternative to 5G chips

This was a smart chess move
Could be. Do we know for sure that the Apple/QC settlement was based on FRAND terms? If not, even better for Apple, as there may be some renegotiation in order.
 
Update 2: The ruling will not affect last month's settlement between Apple and Qualcomm, according to Bloomberg. "There are no provisions in the deal between Apple and Qualcomm that allowed for a reversal or change in the event the FTC won its case against the chipmaker," the report claims, citing a source.

This is out of date already. Go back to the current contents of the Bloomberg article.
 
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Then why did Apple settle so soon...?

because Apple can't win outside Lucy Koh's court in the Northern District of California. This is why the FTC shopped around for forum in Apple's backyard -- where favorable outcome was expected all along -- and also Tim Apple QUICKLY dropped his trouser and bent over for QCOM in the Southern District of California. Apple was hoping to leverage the FTC victory in Apple's case in SD but they had never foreseen the gov't shutdown that delayed Koh's decision.










Just my guess! ;)
 
Qualcomm has been found guilty in many other countries of this same crime, so I guess Apple could add two and two ...

Japan -- supreme court reversed the lower court's ruling in entirety; no antitrust findings for QCOM
Taiwan -- realized that they screwed up, so they instead accepted QCOM's "investment" in lieu of antitrust fine
Korea -- QCOM's penalty reduced; Samsung dropped out KFTC's lawsuit (LG joined in instead); the latest antitrust finding now on appeal;
China -- QCOM agreed to charge only 65% of whole sale value just for domestic companies (which was later offered to Apple)

I have no idea what's going on in the EU land.
 
What awesomeness?
He said I know nothing about FRAND. What do you think *his* qualifications are? And if I know nothing about FRAND, who does?

No, "he" did not. If you read his post again, you'll see that FRAND comment was directed at someone else.

However, in fairness, you did start out this thread with a post telling everybody how awesome you were. :)
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Coke with an orange slice. Delicious.

That was only one more post. You said two.
 
Basically because they had no choice if they wanted 5G chips in their 2020 phones. Intel wasn’t going to be an option and there were no other viable alternatives. It’s as simple as that.

Apple had planned this for at least two years and there is still no large scale 5G deployment int the US. And they couldn't wait a couple of weeks?
 
Basically because they had no choice if they wanted 5G chips in their 2020 phones. Intel wasn’t going to be an option and there were no other viable alternatives. It’s as simple as that.

Whether Apple won, lost or settled they’d still by buying Qualcomm modems. The case wasn’t about getting access to 5G modems - it was about licensing. To claim Apple had to settle because they needed 5G modems is asinine - they were always going to be able to get them.
 
Whether Apple won, lost or settled they’d still by buying Qualcomm modems. The case wasn’t about getting access to 5G modems - it was about licensing. To claim Apple had to settle because they needed 5G modems is asinine - they were always going to be able to get them.
I know what the case was about but if Apple and Qualcomm hadn’t settled, they would not be getting the chips from Qualcomm. Where else do you think they could have gotten them in the quantities they need?
 
I know what the case was about but if Apple and Qualcomm hadn’t settled, they would not be getting the chips from Qualcomm. Where else do you think they could have gotten them in the quantities they need?
Intel for one year, then their own design made by TSMC going forward.
 
I know what the case was about but if Apple and Qualcomm hadn’t settled, they would not be getting the chips from Qualcomm. Where else do you think they could have gotten them in the quantities they need?

If they didn’t settle then the court would have made the decision for them. After that Apple would buy 5G modems from Qualcomm under the terms the court saw fit.
 
If they didn’t settle then the court would have made the decision for them. After that Apple would buy 5G modems from Qualcomm under the terms the court saw fit.
Yes but Apple had no idea and still doesn’t know how the whole FTC thing is going to work out. And it’s almost certain that it wouldn’t get resolved in time for the 2020 iPhones.
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Intel for one year, then their own design made by TSMC going forward.
I’m referring to 5G not the current 4G chips. Even though 5G won’t be too useful in 2020 it’s all about perception.
 
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