And also because EMV contactless payment technology came along which did the same thing as the Speedpass fob, and was much more secure.
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And also because EMV contactless payment technology came along which did the same thing as the Speedpass fob, and was much more secure.
I hope Sheetz is taking notice about this development. I frequently use their new way to pay for gas in their app and it works really well. BP also has a pretty good app for paying for gas too.
But they literally already do, with Apple pay. In reality, this is just opening up gas purchasing apps to CarPlay. That's the functionality we're talking about here, isn't it?
I disagree. I use the Exxon/Mobil app on the phone, but having it work through CarPlay would be faster since my phone is usually in my bag as I'm driving. Having a CarPlay interface to access the fueling app would be very convenient.
Well, this was with my 2011 Toyota which I just sold. With my new 2022 Kia, I’m not even sure what the gas cap situation is like because I haven’t gotten gas out of state yet lol.
My 2021 Mazda still has a gas cap. I'm not sure I've seen a car with no cap. Interesting.
Right there with ya, buddy. Gas pumps, along with Home Depot and Lowes not taking ApplePay, are really the only reasons why I have to carry a credit card these days. And don't get me started (oops, too late) on the new BJ's Club Warehouse that opened near me, that has the cheapest gas but their new fancy pumps require I have the physical BJ's membership card on me in order to work, along with a credit card for payment (even if it's a BJ's credit card). .
Back to the gas pumps, it drives me nuts to pull up to a brand new gas station, or one that recently replaced it's pumps, and see a sleek new pump and payment system that STILL doesn't accept applePay.
I think that may be a Honda thing. My 2019 Ridgeline has no gas cap, but it's the only vehicle I've ever owned that doesn't.
Regardless of what we would like to happen, ICE isn't going anywhere for a long time. EVs are not going to be a replacement for ICE cars any time soon.
Nothing wrong with Apple doing this.
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Most EVs are powered primarily by fossil fuels in the US, probably similar situation elsewhere in the world. EVs are not the magic bullet.
I just hope you don't pull up to a BP gas station and have to download the app first. I'll just tap my phone on the terminal. It's nice to have it in carplay for sure, but it is strange that Apple isn't really facilitating it like Google does with Google Pay. It is adding another step requiring apps that likely are tracking you to be installed.
Is it really promoting the use of a fossil fuel if that usage is going to occur anyway? Unless you’re thinking that users will fill up and, because it was so cool, drive needlessly for hours until it’s empty again in order to go fill up again. That would indeed be a use of fossil fuels that would be over and above a current use level, but I’m sure Apple’s hard at work making the experience as boring as possible to avoid this.
And instead mine nickel and lithium till depletion and charge electric vehicles with coal powered electric plants.
Do gas cards promote the use of fossil fuel?
There’s no shortage of Lithium in the world. It’s one of the most common elements in the universe. As for nickel, we have known land-based reserves of at least 300 million tons. At 30 kg per battery, that’s enough for about 10 billion vehicles!
Besides, car batteries are increasingly being made without any nickel (or cobalt) with newer chemistries like Lithium Iron-Phosphate (LFP).
And of course, unlike oil, all of these resources can be recycled. We’re hardly going to be just throwing away battery packs full of valuable nickel.
Hopefully in about 8 years or so the range will improve for the EVs and the price will drop, that is when I will be getting a new card
This.
My one and only time I was in a state that believes only teenagers earning minimum wage possess the qualities necessary to pump gas, the dude jabbed it three times before finally getting it in (that's what she said), and then topped it off twice before I poked my head out and asked him to stop.
"What? I'm getting it all the way full!"
I mean, far be it for me to correct a full-time professional petroleum engineer but, it was all the way full when the gasoline reached the top of the filler neck. What you're doing NOW is pouring fuel into the vapor/evap recovery system. Not a single drop of that extra 'top off' is going into the fuel tank. Eventually, over time, leading to a costly repair when the canister fills with fuel.
I doubt we're going to see increased range.
It's not a technical limitation. It's a market limitation. The vast majority of car owners drive an average of 39 miles per day. While not everyone can charge at home, most can (and for worse or for wear, the market is driven by averages, not niches) so most will very rarely visit a charging station except on a road trip. So for MOST people, any additional range is wasted on them and they'll almost never need it. But additional range adds weight and cost (no matter how cheap or light batteries get, a bigger one will always be heavier, bulkier, and more expensive than a smaller one).
I mean, it'd be cool. I'm just saying, I strongly suspect that will not be the case. 300ish (+/-) is gonna be where we're at I think for the majority of EV's on the road. But the batteries in a 300 mile EV, 8 years from now, will be much smaller and much cheaper and the car itself will be cheaper.
The same issue exists for gasoline. A larger gas tank reduces payload capacity, presents some engineering challenges, and can affect a drivers perception of efficiency by costing more to fill up (which is dumb, I know; but we humans tend to be a little on the dumb side. The same will also be true of an EV. A longer range EV will cost more to charge from empty. I realize the cost per mile is the same, but it stands to reason that if people have that perception issue with ICE cars, they'll have it with EV's). As a result, very few cars on the market have longer than a 300-400 mile range. In the 80's and 90's some half-ton pickups had 45-60 gallon fuel tanks (sometimes two tanks on one truck!) to give them range of several hundred miles, and to improve range when towing. That got reduced over time. Modern half-tons have much smaller fuel tanks than they used to, because it's a niche, it affects perception of efficiency, and the manufacturer would rather list a higher payload capacity (which always assumes full fuel, so having less fuel on-board reduces the curb weight of the truck which increases payload capacity) than a longer range that most people won't need.
I DO suspect though that we'll start seeing 800-1000mile pickups and large SUV's, eventually. I think they'll be really expensive though. Because a 1,000 mile electric pickup is still a 500 mile pickup when it's towing. I would LOVE to replace my truck with an EV but the range when towing is the limiting factor, getting only 80-100 miles from most models (when towing).
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More/less, yes.
I'm sure it's a regional thing but where I'm at, almost nobody has EMV payments. The weird thing is that a lot of them have readers on the pump, but there's a label that says "This payment option unavailable." I don't know if that's an issue of higher processing fees (so they're just refusing to allow it), or some back-end issue?
Still, at least at the one gas station in a 50ish mile radius of my home that has it, I still have to input my ZIP code and click through a bunch of annoying rewards things before I can start pumping fuel. (I have no idea why, I've already verified my identity with the device I used to pay with; but perhaps it doesn't make a distinction between a tap-to-pay credit card and something like Apple Pay.)
With the old speedpass transponder (not the fob, but the later transponder you mounted in your vehicle), you literally just pulled up and starting pumping gas. Though EVENTUALLY the security issues negated that or required you to input a ZIP code for security which eliminated that nice advantage.
Yeah, these days the ZIP code is as much for marketing purposes as security. They can feed the “where are our customers coming from?” data back to help target promotions etc.