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Full Resolution Photos from the New iPhone 4S Camera
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Whoa, I know, that up-close pic of the squirrel is just nuts, both literally and figuratively.
Nope, Chuck Testa
Ah!
They put it in a case that made it look like a bag of peanuts that said "free to squirrels".
They put it in a case that made it look like a bag of peanuts that said "free to squirrels".
Vote in my poll? https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1232021/. Your type is pretty under represented.
I guess you missed the PNG part of my comment.
I swear I spend too much time removing JPEG artifacts in Photoshop because of this.
And a lot of the time when people request RAW support, it's got nothing to do with avoiding JPEG compression. That's actually are rather minor piece of the puzzle.
RAW means recording the actual data recorded by the sensor, rather than the noise-reduced, demosaiced, white-balanced, reduced-bit-depth version that is then JPEG compressed. People who actually know what they're talking about who want RAW desire it for the additional latitude this extra data -- data that is lost even before the JPEG compression -- gives them in post-processing.
The camera's preset or automated parameter selection for all the processing needed to turn the raw sensor data into an image isn't always perfect, and storing that data means you're free to recreate the process and experiment with custom-tuned values later, at home, when the situation isn't time-sensitive.
That said: Apple's image processing tends to be very good, and there's limitations as to what a sensor that size can do, so I'm somewhat skeptical that one could do much more using a RAW from an iPhone than with the corresponding JPEG. Also, the proprietary tricks Apple uses to capture their HDR photos are probably incompatible with a RAW workflow, and just fundamentally goes against their philosophy when it comes to consumer tools and software. So I'm not holding my breath.
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Download the full-size photo and check the EXIF. It's all intact, including GPS:
The photo was taken with normal, automatic settings, in Yosemite National Park, near one of the densely-touristed campground areas. The squirrels there are quite used to a heavy human presence, and being frequently fed by humans, and as a result they're relatively tame and friendly.
Those sensor sizes are not only available to premium compacts. N8 saying hello with it's 1/1.83" sensor.
Amazing graphics
The graphics make me angry as I don't have anything close to this on my latest Blackberry. Having built several free financial mobile apps for our biz http://inkom.com.au/mobile-financial-apps it is clear to me know that we should start converting all of them to iPhone. Is there an easy way to go about it?
The graphics make me angry as I don't have anything close to this on my latest Blackberry. Having built several free financial mobile apps for our biz http://inkom.com.au/mobile-financial-apps it is clear to me know that we should start converting all of them to iPhone. Is there an easy way to go about it?
Why do you want RAW on a tiny camera phone lens. Get a real camera to shoot RAW. A cell phone camera is still just to take a quick shot not meant for professional wedding pictures.
and it never will be (a dSLR)
but they try to play it up and compare
then again I'm an INTJ. Don't give me crap or fancy marketingspeak, just facts
I wanted to see a 24mm equivalent wide angle lens instead of this eternal 36mm and narrower stuff (heck 30mm would have been good)
You can get a simple slide on wide angle attachment.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ne-4-quick-change-camera-lens-system?ref=live
Personally, I'd rather have something a little longer. It seems I'm always getting really close to things to get the picture I want.
It would be nice if Apple would add a way for third parties to add attachment lenses. Simply putting a small steel ring around the lens would allow for magnetic attachment.
I find I can take decent photos of small objects by hand holding a loupe next to the iPhone. Hard to do that and click the button on screen to shoot the photo.
Another INTJ here.
I often have to play with the tap-to-meter part of the focus function to recover highlights (or sacrifice them). The HDR function helps with creating a compromise but doesn't work for movement.
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interdastingYou can get a simple slide on wide angle attachment.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ne-4-quick-change-camera-lens-system?ref=live
Personally, I'd rather have something a little longer. It seems I'm always getting really close to things to get the picture I want.
It would be nice if Apple would add a way for third parties to add attachment lenses. Simply putting a small steel ring around the lens would allow for magnetic attachment.
I find I can take decent photos of small objects by hand holding a loupe next to the iPhone. Hard to do that and click the button on screen to shoot the photo.
Another INTJ here.
iPhone 4s real Camera Sensor Details
here are the real camera details:
20 percent better color accuracy
35 percent better low light sensitivity
1.4 x 1.4 micron pixel size (iPhone 4 has 1,75 x 1,75 micron pixels)
BUT, when it comes to overall pixel light sensitivity in normal daylight
it has 35 precent less performance.
but with the lager aperture lets in more light and an 45 precent improved full well capacity this "problem" is fully solved and at the end, it has about 13 precent real better light performance.
in low light conditions it still has the 35 percent better performance.
it is able to do 1080p video at 60fps (without image stabilization, with 30 fps)
but apple only give us 30 fps with it.
720p with stabilization at 60 fps but apple will give us only 30 fps here too.
full 8mp 4k video at 24fps... but apple don't offer it to us
6mp video at 30 fps ... apple don't offer
same energy consumption as iPhone 4 camera (8 mp 4k video at about 340 mW)
a special shutdown mode with only 10 microwatt (iPhone 4 camera only offers a standby mode with 40 microwatt consumption)
next iPhone:
1.1 micron pixels
20 precent thinner
comparable image quality (little less)
less light sensitivity
only 4,7 mm high (6,5 mm is the iPhone 4 and 4s one)
8 MP, same video capabilities
80 mWatt less energy consumption at 8mp 24fps video.
here are the real camera details:
20 percent better color accuracy
35 percent better low light sensitivity
1.4 x 1.4 micron pixel size (iPhone 4 has 1,75 x 1,75 micron pixels)
BUT, when it comes to overall pixel light sensitivity in normal daylight
it has 35 precent less performance.
but with the lager aperture lets in more light and an 45 precent improved full well capacity this "problem" is fully solved and at the end, it has about 13 precent real better light performance.
in low light conditions it still has the 35 percent better performance.
it is able to do 1080p video at 60fps (without image stabilization, with 30 fps)
but apple only give us 30 fps with it.
720p with stabilization at 60 fps but apple will give us only 30 fps here too.
full 8mp 4k video at 24fps... but apple don't offer it to us
6mp video at 30 fps ... apple don't offer
same energy consumption as iPhone 4 camera (8 mp 4k video at about 340 mW)
a special shutdown mode with only 10 microwatt (iPhone 4 camera only offers a standby mode with 40 microwatt consumption)
next iPhone:
1.1 micron pixels
20 precent thinner
comparable image quality (little less)
less light sensitivity
only 4,7 mm high (6,5 mm is the iPhone 4 and 4s one)
8 MP, same video capabilities
80 mWatt less energy consumption at 8mp 24fps video.
Very impressive analysis, you must be a professional photographer. But what about for a forklift truck driver?
Camera
I hope this will be superior to the camera on my original release date iPhone 3G,.. It's a hassle to drag out the the big Nikon DSLR when I want a photo, but I've been underwhelmed with the quality from the camera in the iPhone 3G. (yeah, I know.. I'm waaaay overdue for replacement, dealing with it now with a white 64 gig iPhone 4S to be delivered Friday )
The BEST camera is the one you have with you!
I hope this will be superior to the camera on my original release date iPhone 3G,.. It's a hassle to drag out the the big Nikon DSLR when I want a photo, but I've been underwhelmed with the quality from the camera in the iPhone 3G. (yeah, I know.. I'm waaaay overdue for replacement, dealing with it now with a white 64 gig iPhone 4S to be delivered Friday
)The BEST camera is the one you have with you!
If they were in a park the squirrels are very friendly and will take the food out of your hands.
Because all of the internal space for your Sony is dedicated to being a camera. Your Sony has a small battery (comparatively,) that only has to power the camera "on" for a couple hours at most. The iPhone needs a large battery (more than 50% of the internal space) to power a computer with a radio in it for eight-plus hours of usage.
Your Sony can dedicate 10% or more of its internal volume to that lens. The iPhone can dedicate maybe 2% of its internal volume to the camera. Assuming you're talking about the same style of Sony I'm thinking of, the "lens" actually extends a decent way *DOWN* toward the bottom of the camera, with a 45-degree mirror right behind the outer lens. The zooming is going on by moving the sensor and lens assembly vertically up and down inside the camera. Find me room for that in the iPhone.
Ah, here you go:
That's the DSC-T1, Sony's first internal-zoom compact camera. That large black module that has just been removed is the lens-and-sensor assembly. I'm sure they've shrunk it a little since that camera, but not by much.
Here's the similar Nikon CoolPix S51c. Again, pretty darned big lens/sensor assembly:
By comparison, here is the lens-and-sensor assembly of the iPhone 4:
Saving photographs taken with the device as raw PNG-24 graphics would roughly triple file sizes and significantly slow down elements of the photography process. That said, it isn't a very bad way of pushing through uncompressed photos without completely blowing out file sizes (although ~10 MB photographs will chew through disk storage nicely as well).
If discussed, I suspect it probably just came down to being fairly obscure, providing a bad user experience (for people who don't understand what would be happening in the background), unexpected file types in various applications, and a minimal improvement in quality for the associated cost. When you factor in iCloud there's a whole new layer of factors to consider.
I'm not too surprised they didn't do something like this.
As for your original thought of RAW, that would be horrific on a smartphone. Aside from the mess that would be associated with processing and user experience, storage would be an incredible mess. I suspect, for the time being, that anyone who cares about RAW for good reasons (rather than simply wanting it because it seems more professional) has the appropriate options to turn to when their photographs absolutely must be at their best.
You shouldn't be. I have a Canon point and Shoot with RAW ability and I've seen huge improvements with the RAW processed with Photoshop VS the JPG. The problem is that the in camera processing is necessarily unsophisticated due to processor limitations, and even though the new iPhone certainly has a better processor than my digicam, I feel certain that we could get much better photos if we could save RAW files with the 4S.
What appear to be blown highlights may in fact not be but we'll never know or be able to fix them.
Not necessarily. I have a Canon 1D MarkII that is now 6 years old. It can shoot 8.5 FPS RAW @ 8MP. The chip required to do that processing would be much smaller and cheaper than 6 years ago and therefore could possibly be doable in a phone at a lower speed, say 1-2 FPS. Also, storage would not be a mess. I still use a 4GB compact flash card in my 1D Mark II and I've got more space free on my 4S than that.