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i would have thought they'd have chosen to include the bulk of the A-D converter in the volume control fob.
 
I gladly turned my back on this greedy company after they eliminated the floppy drive on the iMac. And they absolutely lost me when they abandoned the opitical drive. Apple needs to understand how to make computers and gadgets that are useful to its users, but instead they give us locked-down bendable crap that is ugly and user hostile. They need to make computers that are fast and efficient so I can maximize my day.

If their motivation behind this latest stunt was to make more internal room in the next iPhone while making it thinner and to deliver a superior audio experience, then they really need to fire all of their product designers and start fresh. Preferably engineers who know what a real computer is and not some art school graduate who wants to "humanize" computers. No. That is not what we're asking for. We don't need stupid 3D Touch. We don't need stupid thinner and lighter phones. We don't need Lightning EarPods. What we need are things to stay the same, but better. What we need are heavier and thicker phones with enormous battery life, because I live on my phone for hours and hours at a time. What we need is a different Apple. An Apple that is more like Google.
Who's "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket?
 
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Apple removed the 3.5 inch floppy disk. They're doomed!
Apple removed the CD/DVD drive. They're doomed!

I think we might want to wait to see how this all turns out after the phone is actually released before we all panic. On the other hand we seem to like to panic early. Go ahead and panic. Samsung will be copying Apple again in 18 months or so.

Yes but in both the examples you gave there was a consumer trend shortly after to move on to better forms of media / storage. Floppies died in favor of thumb drives and cloud storage, cd/dvd drive was sort of replaced by digital media sales and streaming services. I'm not sure what thing is going to replace the headphone jack that will also be ubiquitous. It sure won't be lightning as that wont even work on your laptop etc. If they really wanted to do this right they should've used usb-c. That will at least start showing up in more places and would make a lot more sense from a compatibility standpoint.
 
Yes because a Multi-Billion Dollar Company haven't thought about it at all. I bet there's been no research into the effect replacing the audio jack will have and the advantages to gain.

Do you still play records and watch VHS?

Well, that's a poor example. You do realize that vinyl is making a comeback and it's revival has been covered extensively over the past couple of years?

You should also brush up on your Apple history too. They have made plenty of choices in the Jobs' era alone that they have rolled back, despite their "research" to the contrary. According to Apple, their users never wanted multi-button mice or larger phones, everyone would use FireWire, DisplayPort was more important than HDMI, everybody would use Ping over Facebook ...
 
That's why I think it'll be smart of Apple to include an adapter. It would make the missing 3.5 jack a non-issue.
No it will just make people wonder why they got rid of it in the first place. What would make more sense is to include BT earbuds and pitch it as a transition to wireless. But of course Apple won't do that because then they can't upsell you on anything.
 
The length with that stupid connector is going to make the phone pretty long. Even worse for the +. Absolutely forget sitting down with lightning buds plugged in if you have a + and it's in your pocket.
 
I disagree, I am not thrilled about it by any means. I truly do not want Bluetooth headphones. Not now, not ever. Electric guitars still use a full 1/4" audio jack, why don't they go wireless too? Because it's classic and great. Elephant in the room... You can't charge your phone and listen at the same time. Is that not a really big obvious problem to anyone? I use my phone that way ALL the time. You can't sync your phone via cable, while listening, the list goes on. It just is a huge step backward. I sort of hope Apple sees a hit in sales on this phone so they can come to reality that they aren't who they used to be and need to step it back up. I am seeing a far larger number of people mentioning they don't have any plan to upgrade, so that is promising. Also, wireless charging may become more of a thing yes, but what about sync? Wireless sync is TERRIBLE with the iPhone and I turned it off so long ago. I only sync via iTunes and cable. So I can't sync and listen at the same time without Bluetooth headphones that I don't want, that have a battery, and so on. It isn't innovation.

Apple is such a nightmare nowadays.

Continuing your guitar analogy, then you see that band in concert and they're all wearing Shure body packs.

I have both wired and wireless headphones. My Bluetooth headphones are both quality products but yes I occasionally experience a click or pop, that's very rare. I'll replace my wired headphones with lightning cable equipped units, I accept that technology advances and I move with it but if I weren't willing (or able) I'd be comfortable with the adapter it will likely ship with.

I can understand the possible inconvenience of wanting to charge while listening but do you really never take your headphones off? The iPhone 6s is rated for 50 to 80 hours of audio playback (depending on whether you have the plus or not). In that time are you never going to sleep or go to the bathroom or go to work or shower or anything else that would have you remove your headphones and put the phone on a charger? Maybe if you use headphones for 10+ hour long movie marathons but even then that has to be an extreme use case. Eventually you can put the device down long enough to recharge without using your headphones.

If you are busy synching to iTunes you can also just play your music back from iTunes while you synch (it can do both, I do so frequently).

It's clear a lot of people have concerns about this move but I think we'll find reality doesn't have any significant impact for 99.9% of users (and that's probably being generous).
 
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Millions of people spent good money on floppy disks. Millions of people spend good money on CDs. Millions of people spend money on peripherals with SCSI connectors. What exactly is your point?
Bad idea to remove the ubiquitous 3.5mm audio jack that works on laptops, desktops, automobiles, music players, mobile phones, even the in-seat audio connections on airlines.

Millions of people have spent good money on high quality headphones and earbuds that use the 3.5mm standard to be left out in the cold.
 
While you may think the elimination of the 3.5mm jack is innovation or progress, I only see a reversion to the pre-smartphone era of awful proprietary earbuds bundled with flip phones.

This is what nobody seems to be mentioning. Apple wants to force their proprietary connections. That is why this will fail.

I give props to them though; they have a plan that is gradually being unveiled. Apple bought Beats with this in mind, so there will be a major brand making headphones with the Apple proprietary connection.

Sure PCs and other phones will follow suit and remove the 3.5mm jack, but they utilize USB3, not lightning. What headphones are you going to buy? The ones that work only with apple, or the ones that you can use with any other PC or phone that you please? Apple has tried stuff like this before (firewire) and failed miserably. Sucks to see them do it again.
 
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Too lazy to read the whole thread, so please forgive me if this has been speculated previously, but doesn't the DAC now have to reside somewhere in the headphones themselves? Likely in the volume control pod? If so, then of course said pod would have to be located prior to both ear buds.
 
I've been firmly on the fence about everything we've heard about the iPhone 7. As a musician, I place a fairly high priority on being unencumbered in listening to material on my phone. It is looking like it's increasingly likely that the use of the lightning port for headphones will not be mated to a method of charging by some other non-lightning means.

That's simply infuriating to me. And - get this - it's actually a deal breaker. I know, so many talk the talk about abandoning the iPhone, but I am willing to walk the walk. I will wait until the iPhone 7's official announcement before finalizing my decision, but since my contract's expiring this fall, I'm fully anticipating purchasing a Nexus device instead of a new iPhone. Further, the 6P is $0 from my phone provider; I'll save a couple of hundred bucks in the process.

In no way does the inconvenience of migrating some of my iCloud information to Google's cloud suite outweigh the inconvenience of not having the 3.5mm headphone jack on my phone.

Shame on you, Apple! While you may think the elimination of the 3.5mm jack is innovation or progress, I only see a reversion to the pre-smartphone era of awful proprietary earbuds bundled with flip phones. Except you could charge and listen simultaneously with those.


Considering possible bluetooth headphones will show up after, for 99$ lol its more money for  ... dropping the jack people will buy new headphones unfortunately...
 
Apple removed the 3.5 inch floppy disk. They're doomed!
Apple removed the CD/DVD drive. They're doomed!

I think we might want to wait to see how this all turns out after the phone is actually released before we all panic. On the other hand we seem to like to panic early. Go ahead and panic. Samsung will be copying Apple again in 18 months or so.
These arguments are surely overused. Lol. Why don't you cite the decision to remove fans from Mac cube and cause overheating? Or when they seal up the iMac 21" so that you can't upgrade RAM any more unless you pay them dearly. And of course the upgrade to Mac mini that downgrade from 4 cores to 2 cores.
What I want to say here is that Apple can make bad decisions (good for them, bad for customers). Don't keep using that 3.5 floppy/DVD drive legends to defend Apple's questionable moves.
 
If Apple really does ditch the standard audio jack its going to go down as the biggest mistake the company made since the round puck mouse. There is literally no upside to this. I don't need my phone to be one more mm thinner. I need it to have a better battery. Its small enough as is (actually the screens are too big, 4.5" would have been better than 4.7"). *sigh*

I agree or keep same screen size and drop the home button and bezels :)
 
These look like there will be many broken lightening connectors.

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Which might be the point. Repurchases and more profits. Fill them landfills high! The board of directors wanting to show a green image should not have allowed this to go through...
 
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