Funny how you can talk yourself into something you dont need.....

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by dannyar, Mar 23, 2016.

  1. dannyar macrumors 6502

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    Minor rant for those of you thinking of downgrading to the SE. Its funny how apple is attacked when they release a new phone, for example the 6s and its missing minor features no one really cares about but android phones have had them for years so apple is the lame duck. Now we are given the iphone SE. Gone is the barometer, 3D touch, downgraded front facing camera among a few other things you all know by now. But yet, you have a majority of these same people who clamored for these new features in the 6s now shrugging off the fact that they have been stripped away from the SE as features that "aren't a big deal". Its so hypocritical to know that when there's something new and shiny out, that you can forget the very things that caused you to buy the 6s to begin with. This is why apple stays on top, because of the very people like you who 6 months removed from spending anywhere from 650-950$ on a new 6s/plus, are willing to spend another 400-500$ on a smaller, less featured version of the same exact phone with a design recycled strait from their 2013 iphone 5. I understand some may prefer the smaller 4 inch phone, but don't downplay the removed features from the 6s as " not a big deal" when these very features is what made the majority of people purchase the 6s to begin with.
     
  2. noobinator macrumors 601

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    Well the cost difference between this and a 6s is worth the "missing features" makes this phone a great buy for many
     
  3. mattopotamus macrumors G5

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    That is really it. The price is perfect. The 5C was hard to justify b.c the price savings compared to the lack of features did not line up. This is what people thought a 5C would be/should have been.
     
  4. Dominion2009 macrumors member

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    I'm not sure you make a blanket statement pertaining to ALL people. Also sometimes people change their minds whether it's the size of the 6s after using for a while, the 3D touch that they hardly use or the camera that they don't take selfies with. I mean I think you're getting at sheep who would buy anything with a Apple logo but I guarantee you that if this phone didn't have the a9 with two gb ram and other things that are the meat and potatoes of the phone, you'd have a lot of unhappy people that wouldn't buy.
     
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    You ruined the fine point of this post when "sheep" was mentioned.
     
  7. Dominion2009 macrumors member

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    Oh is this not PC? Phsss .Don't act like the guy wasn't thinking this..
     
  8. bpeeps macrumors 68020

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    Eh, it's all cyclical. In a few months, they'll be complaining about the SE and wishing it were thicker for a bigger battery or some other ridiculous claim. Switching BACK to iPhone 6S after SE because it's too small, too old looking, too insert excuse here.
     
  9. dannyar thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I wasn't actually. Cause im actually buying an SE. The price should not be a factor into this argument at all because im talking about people who are downgrading and have already spent their money. If we were talking about someone making the choice between the 6s and SE then money would be a factor and the missing features can be forgotten for the 250 price difference, but not when your selling your 6s at a loss to essentially make 100 bucks.
     
  10. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    You seem to be overlooking plenty of threads and posts about people not being happy about the barometer or something else not being there. Also seemingly overlooking that different groups of people can and are likely involved in it all. And all that on top of lumping together all the different iPhones together and not really giving any consideration to the whole concept of flagship vs. entry level that has fairly clearly surfaced with SE (somewhat similar to how it was there with 5c).

    In summary, just a lot of generalizations and selective hearing to make some point that isn't really a point but more of a talking point.
     
  11. dannyar thread starter macrumors 6502

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    You missed the point. We are not arguing whether its a better buy or not based on price. The people who have bought the 6s already have spent their money. The savings are not factored here because they aren't getting exactly what they paid for their phones by selling it and downgrading to an SE. This makes it even more pointless as they would be essentially breaking even or coming out with 100$ extra. At that point its not worth the downgrade.
     
  12. mattopotamus macrumors G5

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    Even if I break even, the smaller form factor is worth it to me. I completely understand what you mean, but I consider it an "upgrade" in the sense I am getting what I want. A powerful 4" phone.
     
  13. sovereign macrumors 6502

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    I did the math and I would end up paying $50-$100 to downgrade from my 6s and order the SE, IF I was lucky enough to be able to find a buyer.
     
  14. mattopotamus macrumors G5

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    Really? You do not think you could get $550 for a 6S? What size? I feel like if I sell my 64gb 6S for that price it will be gone in a day.

    Swappa has them selling, actual average sale, around $619.
     
  15. kerrikins macrumors 65816

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    Yeah, this is the biggest thing, for me. I know it's smaller and missing some features, but it's $300 cheaper than the comparable top-end phone! That's why I'm considering it, because I don't think all those features are necessarily worth $300. (I don't even use the barometer, and because I have a 6 I won't even miss the 3D touch, etc.)
     
  16. dannyar thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Which in theory validates my point even more. That's fine if its the perfect phone " for you" because its the size you want. That doesn't make the phone any better.
     
  17. Qbnkelt macrumors 65816

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    Well you know why I'm getting it? Because I regretted sending away my iPhone 5s to a family member when I bought my iPhone 6. It was my favourite design. And now they've got it in rose gold.
    So....this time I won't be get caught without the design I loved best out of all iPhone designs. I don't chase specs. I get what I like. So I don't give one iota about whatever specs may be missing, I like the form factor.
    I won't sell my iPhone 6s Plus. I'll keep that. But I'll get the SE unlocked and get a replacement iPad since my iPad I got in 2012 is dead with a shattered screen. Since I got the larger iPhone 6 and then iPhone 6s Plus I haven't needed it.

    So.....the removed features are not in fact a big deal to me. Getting back my most loved design is.
     
  18. dannyar thread starter macrumors 6502

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    You are not the target audience im referring to. Its the current 6s owners who have been using said missing features and now could care less about them because there is a newer and shinier new model out, even though its less powerful and lacking features. It wasn't long ago people were fed up and clamoring for something bigger than 4". Now it seems as those same people are looking for any reason to downgrade.
     
  19. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    Is red better than blue? What matters is what's better for you.
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    Have all those people been using those features or really caring about them? Are the people who wanted larger phones the same ones who want smaller ones, or could there actually be (mostly) different groups of people involved? Could people try something and change their minds? So many more things involved than the simplistic generalized conclusions that are being drawn.
     
  20. JohnApples macrumors 65816

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    I don't get posts like this. How was the 5c lacking features? The 5c was literally a 5, with a couple of small improvements, in a plastic body. Had the 5c not come along, the regular 5 would have been in it's place, for the same price, as per tradition.

    What were people expecting the 5c to be? Identical to the 5s?
     
  21. dannyar thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Im sorry, but this is the classic "have you're cake and eat it too". It really is that simplistic and generalized. You want a smaller phone and are willing to sacrifice specs for it? That's fine with me, im on the same boat. This is clearly for those who want to now say those features, which if they would of been left out of the 6s would of caused a **** storm, are not important. Acknowledge that they are , but you prefer a 4 inch phone even if means spending more money, losing money on your 6s and downgrading quite a few specs across the board.
     
  22. mattopotamus macrumors G5

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    Why even replace the 5 with the 5c unless they were going to make it an entry level phone?
     
  23. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    I still don't see the link between those groups of people being the same ones.
     
  24. DanGoh macrumors 6502

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    This. I loved that square design and miss my 5. It was so compact, I could put it in my jeans and forget it was there. Really considering selling my 6 and getting the SE. I have an iPad if I want a bigger screen, and a Macbook for real productivity.
     
  25. Talkingtoaster macrumors regular

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    A paragraph or two would make this easier to read. Otherwise I would love the SE to compliment my 6s Plus.
     

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