Future iPad Pro and MacBook Pro Models Rumored to Feature Ultra-Bright Double-Stack OLED Displays

[nicetriangles]

I know it's a ways off still but I think micro LED is the next display tech that will be a major selling point for me. I'm cool with OLED on phones but I don't want it on big display devices I use with persistent tool panels/menu bars (causing burn-in) and where color accuracy is a must (off angle color shift/etc). OLED looks nice but is not ideal for those use cases IMO.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

I know it's a ways off still but I think micro LED is the next display tech that will be a major selling point for me. I'm cool with OLED on phones but I don't want it on big display devices I use with persistent tool panels/menu bars (causing burn-in) and where color accuracy is a must (off angle color shift/etc). OLED looks nice but is not ideal for those use cases IMO.

Again,5 years from now,who says these won't be fixed (tho they are inherent to the tech I agree ,miracles won't happen )

Btw if this is true,you'll have to wait at least 8 years for micro led to happen ...2029 at the lol

 

[Flabasha]

I will never buy another OLED screen unless its on a phone. My LG OLED tv has so much burn in, its a disgrace.

I love love love the OLED on both my Galaxy Book Pro, and my LG tv. If iPad Pro had gone OLED, I’d have replaced my 2018 12.9...

 

[opiapr]

I just placed an order for a Samsung Neo Mini Led TV as my current LG C1 has developed burn in and a green blotch after just two years. I am not interested in OLED on a computer with so many static items. I know Apple will work to mitigate this as in the iPhone but it still a possibility with any OLED panel.

 

[alpi123]

More mini-leds with more dimming zones is the way to improved...20.000 mini-led and until micro-LED nothing cant beat that
Oled needs 2 layers already to reach the potential of mini-led big displays ...

The term you're looking for is dual-cell (dual layered LCD). They're pretty much like miniLED displays but have millions of dimming zones, the closest to OLED. For example current dual cell 4K TVs have about 2 million dimming zones (equivalent to 1080p resolution, 4K resolution would be OLED)

 

[Wackery]

Feel bad for all us mini-LED pros that got suckered into the bloom fiesta screens

 

[Jensend]

Are the displays not already bright enough at 1,000 nits?


Blindedgate

Larger OLED displays don’t get that bright. This is in comparison to other large OLED displays, not Apple’s mini-LED displays or OLED phone displays.

 

[Tagbert]

I will never buy another OLED screen unless its on a phone. My LG OLED tv has so much burn in, its a disgrace.

I've read that the double-layer OLED is intended to help reduce burn-in. Not sure if that is because they are not driving each layer as brightly or if they can just adjust brightness as the panels age.

 

[Tagbert]

The Apple Watch has had OLED since 2015 and the iPhone since 2017, with no widespread reports of burn-in.

The Watch screen is never fully on for more than a minute or so at a time.

 

[samlikesmac]

What year/model is it? My experience with newer LG OLED tvs are that they don't suffer from burn-in at all. There are 'behind the scene' technologies that refresh the panel, etc. No burn in for me after several years...

Same. I’ve had a C7 OLED for several years and had plenty of static content on screen and there is no burn in. Imo, nothing can compare to OLED when it comes to contrast ratio. The brightness is hardly an issue since the black levels are essentially 0 anyway but to each their own I guess.

 

[Tagbert]

Double pwm hell???

Perhaps the 2 layer's refresh rates could be offset to reduce the pwm?

 

[Netsurfer]

Are the displays not already bright enough at 1,000 nits?


Blindedgate

For sdr it's 500...

 

[Student of Life]

God hope not. Even Samsung stays away from OLED in its TVs like it was a plague.

You know Samsung is entering the OLED market for TVs…. Micro LED kills OLED but thats years away from hitting the consumer market.

 

[macintoshmac]

"Ultra bright"!!?? Have you seen the latest displays? *shakes head*

This brightness is outdated. We want brighter. And it better brighten up faster than before on any Mac.

 

[kalafalas]

Hopefully they work out the issues with OLED off angle color shift.

What do you mean? I find OLED to have much improved off angle viewing to LCD for color brightness and contrast

 

[ShufromChina]

I just placed an order for a Samsung Neo Mini Led TV as my current LG C1 has developed burn in and a green blotch after just two years. I am not interested in OLED on a computer with so many static items. I know Apple will work to mitigate this as in the iPhone but it still a possibility with any OLED panel.

emmmm that's quite interesting cuz LG C1 model only just came out this year. Maybe try coming up with a more realistic model next time?

 

[nilk]

Gives me a throwback to the times when plasma TV were a thing....

Sure OLED does have it's pros but also so many cons that can't really be fixed that I wouldn't be surprised if the tech is almost forgotten by the end of the decade.

Definitely some parallels from days of plasma. Plasma TVs were better than LCD. Both my current TVs are still plasma, with one of them over 10 yrs old, and I don't have "burn in" and they are both still going strong. I'd probably get an OLED TV if I had to replace one today. Even with potential for "burn in" I'd rather have a TV that starts out displaying correctly that could get worse later, than one that is flawed from the start.

Hope OLED gets even cheaper than comparable LCD, just like plasma did. With mini LED, LCD is just now getting to the point where it is acceptable for movies / TV / games. And you have tech like BFI that maybe helps with motion clarity. But are prices on mini LED monitors / TVs going to come down enough for this to be competitive with OLED?

Edit: That said, I don't think I'd want OLED in a MacBook Pro. Mini LED appears to be the right tech with the right tradeoffs for laptop and desktop computing. Hope to see affordable (<$1000) mini LED desktop monitors soon.

 

[Steve121178]

I thought Micro-LED (not mini) was supposed to be the future of display tech.

 

[ksec]

The Elec is a media outlet whose job is to promote the Korean semiconductor industry so this "article" could be nothing more than an attempt to showcase Samsung and LG OLED production by "claiming" Apple is considering it, so your company should, too!

They have been posting articles linking Apple with OLED for iPads and Macs for some time: https://www.macrumors.com/guide/the-elec/

Yes and I keep repeating the same thing every time they make up crap about OLED coming next year or in 2023.

Nothing make sense.

And yet people believed it.

It is the same thing with Digitimes on TSMC.

It is tiring.

 

[falainber]

I will never buy another OLED screen unless its on a phone. My LG OLED tv has so much burn in, its a disgrace.

TVs and phones/tablets/computers use totally different types of OLEDs.

 

[maratus]

Please no... Especially LG - they have so many issues with their large OLED manufacturing:

1. Still noticeable image retention (don't confuse with burn-in)
2. Since 2020/2021 - structural grid in a form of evenly spaced darker horizontal and vertical lines visible on bright objects, a new sadistic DSE-kind of defect present even in the most expensive OLED TVs
3. Major issues with screen hue uniformity (i.e. piss stains or pink left / right side of the screen)
4. Near-black banding and non-uniformity. For those who are raving about "OLED blacks", it only applies to 0% black when pixels are off. The moment you have 1%-10% gray, you get all the "good" stuff. Only Panasonic *Z2000 were able to improve it - not completely fix it - while doubling the cost.
5. Significant off-axis color shift
6. Obviously, burn-in when used as a computer screen due to persistent bars and UI elements
7. And for WOLED panels, the higher is the brighness, the lower is color saturation due to white pixels diluting pure color.

As far as I know, 1-6 also applies to phones, tablets and computer screens.

High-end LCD panels, while having their own issues, can be free from all 7 issues from the list. The only noticeble advantage of OLED over them would be reponse time, which only matters in competitive FPS gaming, and blooming.

Long story short, I hope that Apple sticks to LCD tech with advanced mini-LED backlight for both iPad and Macbook lines, unless OLED manufactures step up their game (spoiler alert, they won't)

 

[Janichsan]

After reading “OLED” in the title, my eyes glazed over.
When will this era of PWM flickering hell end?

OLED doesn't automatically mean PWM flickering, and vice versa, you can have PWM flickering without OLED, as the iPad Pro so wonderfully demonstrates.

 

[Janichsan]

Please no... Especially LG - they have so many issues with their large OLED manufacturing:

1. Still noticeable image retention (don't confuse with burn-in)
2. Since 2020/2021 - structural grid in a form of evenly spaced darker horizontal and vertical lines visible on bright objects, a new sadistic DSE-kind of defect present even in the most expensive OLED TVs
3. Major issues with screen hue uniformity (i.e. piss stains or pink left / right side of the screen)
4. Near-black banding and non-uniformity. For those who are raving about "OLED blacks", it only applies to 0% black when pixels are off. The moment you have 1%-10% gray, you get all the "good" stuff. Only Panasonic *Z2000 were able to improve it - not completely fix it - while doubling the cost.
5. Significant off-axis color shift
6. Obviously, burn-in when used as a computer screen due to persistent bars and UI elements
7. And for WOLED panels, the higher is the brighness, the lower is color saturation due to white pixels diluting pure color.

The OLED display in my Razer Blade 15 (2020) shows none of these issues.

 

[maratus]

The OLED display in my Razer Blade 15 (2020) shows none of these issues.

Is it AMOLED made by Samsung? Haven't seen in person yet.

 

[Janichsan]

Is it AMOLED made by Samsung? Haven't seen in person yet.

Yeah, it's a Samsung panel.