Future iPad Pro and MacBook Pro Models Rumored to Feature Ultra-Bright Double-Stack OLED Displays

[lilkwarrior]

Burn-in-gate?

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Burn-in is extraordinarily exaggerated with OLED displays for computing use–especially with the modern safeguards in place to protect burn-in such as pixel-shifting, sensors that automatically dim or turn off screen when no one's around, and so on.

That said, if I'm Apple, I'd limit such displays to pro SKUs only. That audience would not be in the position to use their devices in a way to cause burn-in practically ever. Pros and prosumers sensibly (or their companies require them to) use screen savers, full-screen/auto-hide, and won't do things like use them for surveillance/dashboards, and so on.

 

[maratus]

The term you're looking for is dual-cell (dual layered LCD). They're pretty much like miniLED displays but have millions of dimming zones, the closest to OLED. For example current dual cell 4K TVs have about 2 million dimming zones (equivalent to 1080p resolution, 4K resolution would be OLED)

The problem with dual cell is that two layers kill brightness significantly. Current dual-cell consumer TV (I believe you're talking about the 75" Hisense from 2021) is decent, but has power consumption high enough to cause problems with certification, and had to use FALD to help with that. Which is ironic, since forced FALD added blooming to a TV that doesn't need FALD, and would look great without it. I wish you could disable it permanently.

So far, dual-cell isn't viable for any mobile device, and most likely won't make it to the mass TV / monitor market. The most promising technology is in fact mini-LED, which when shrunk enough to provide 100k+ dimming zones will be good enough for most applications including mastering.

 

[maratus]

Yeah, it's a Samsung panel.

Then there is hope. Not for LG though, and we might end up with inferior second supplier and big time panel lottery if that's the case.

 

[tothemoonsands]

Then there is hope. Not for LG though, and we might end up with inferior second supplier and big time panel lottery if that's the case.

That's so interesting. My experience with LG displays are the complete opposite. They perform great!

 

[Brandon42]

Double pwm hell???

It seems like it could actually eliminate pwn dimming at 50% brightness. You’d have one array at 100% and the other would be off.

 

[theorist9]

Are the displays not already bright enough at 1,000 nits?


Blindedgate

I don't really understand this, but I think this display is better thought of as a 500 nit display (that's its general limit) that can do 1000 nits peak with HDR content only.

The part I don't understand is why it's 500 nits on SDR and 1000 nits on HDR. HDR does have higher dynamic range, so maybe it can only do 1,000 nits transiently, and HDR has short enough transient peaks for it to be able to do 1,000 nits for those short time periods. By contrast, if it had to do 1,000 nits on SDR, perhaps it would have to be able to do 1,000 nits continuously.

I.e., the idea is that, if the spec were just 1,000 nits period, then it would have to be able to do 1,000 nits continuously, which it can't. So it's not really a 1,000 nit display. It can only do 1,000 nits transiently for the peaks seen during HDR. But I speculate.

 

[ToxicBlue]

God hope not. Even Samsung stays away from OLED in its TVs like it was a plague.

Samsung will sell Oled Tv's starting next year....

 

[SFjohn]

I will never buy another OLED screen unless its on a phone. My LG OLED tv has so much burn in, its a disgrace.

What did you do with your LG OLED TV to get so much burn in? We’ve had ours for years with zero issues and the picture quality is fantastically better than the Sony LED screen we had before.

 

[Pakaku]

Is extra brightness really necessary? I’d rather see them do something about extra darkness levels (before the backlight just shuts off)

 

[SFjohn]

I would purchase an OLED device from Apple anytime. I already have two and never had any burn in issues. I know in the long run microLEDs will be the holy grail for panel manufacturers. However to do that at a scale that Apple will need remains a long way off.

 

[Tagbert]

I thought Micro-LED (not mini) was supposed to be the future of display tech.

From the article…
“In the long term, industry insiders expect the rise of even smaller micro-LEDs that measure under 100 microns and can express primary colors without the use of a filter. Apple has made an acquisition in micro-LEDs and is said to have an active development program in this field.”

Current tech is mini-LED and OLED. Each one has their positives and negatives with neither one fully better than the other. MicroLED, when it gets here promises to be better than either of the other two technologies, but it is going to be several years before we see the first microLED displays in production.

 

[The Game 161]

LTPO coming to ipad would be great and likely from the sounds

 

[alpi123]

The problem with dual cell is that two layers kill brightness significantly. Current dual-cell consumer TV (I believe you're talking about the 75" Hisense from 2021) is decent, but has power consumption high enough to cause problems with certification, and had to use FALD to help with that. Which is ironic, since forced FALD added blooming to a TV that doesn't need FALD, and would look great without it. I wish you could disable it permanently.

So far, dual-cell isn't viable for any mobile device, and most likely won't make it to the mass TV / monitor market. The most promising technology is in fact mini-LED, which when shrunk enough to provide 100k+ dimming zones will be good enough for most applications including mastering.

On the contrary...the issue with miniLED is the dimming zones. They can be either too aggressive or too weak, there's not really anything in between. This means you're either going to lose detail in the image, or just don't benefit from good contrast that much.

An example would be watching a starfield. If the dimming is aggressive, you will not see stars unless they are very bright so they trigger a zone not to be dimmed. If the dimming is weak, you'll see a lot of blooming and the black levels would not be as dark.

 

[sunny5]

Burn-In is a huge problem and yet OLED still suffer from it wether it's good or not. Especially for professional displays, I dont see any OLED based devices and even it does, there aren't many. A lot of professional displays are still LCD/LED based and as long as OLED has burn-in issue, I dont think many brands will use it for professional works. I guess I would probably gonna wait for microLED since South Korea already developed microLED with less than 50㎛. Samsung is already focusing on developing microLED to replace OLED and if they can reduce the price by 1/10, then they will ditch OLED based on their interview.

 

[Phil77354]

Dear Apple -

In the future, before spending many man-years of effort and millions of dollars of your limited development funds, please ensure that candidates for new Apple products are screened properly by the MacRumors evaluation teams.

All that is necessary for this service to be provided is for you to have speculative articles (i.e. 'macrumors') posted here for comment.

It is clear that if you had done that in this case, you would be saving yourself from the certainty of great embarrassment.

Similarly, other product catastrophes such as polishing clothes, color HomePods, and MacBooks with touch bar, could have been stopped before it was too late.

Respectfully,

The MacRumors Forum ad-hoc Product Evaluation Team

 

[Macalway]

Pride of ownership just took at hit. Any more rain for the parade?

None of that: "We are happy with our current screen choice with no plans to change", stuff.

 

[StupidOpinion]

who else here thinks they should just stay on mini-LED until micro LED is ready? the step up from the old led to mini LED is much bigger than the step up from mini led to OLED. not only that, OLED doesn't even completely outclass mini LED due to all of the issues

 

[AJTC]

Anyone know where that wallpaper from the picture is from? It looks so good.

 

[jon3543]

If they're anything like the Wendy's double stack, they'll be a winner.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Then there is hope. Not for LG though, and we might end up with inferior second supplier and big time panel lottery if that's the case.

By the way don't we already have some panel lottery with mini led panels on the new MBP?

 

[pearvsapple]

Mini LED is absolutely garbage.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

MiniLED is at best a stopgap - it's like LCD's final hurrah before OLED, QD display and microLED take over

MicroLED will kill off all the rest though. Who'd want an OLED once MicroLED is out?

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

Maybe it's just me, but I rarely have my brightness above 50% in normal working conditions.

Wait until you get older. Don't worry, it happens to all of us. You'll have your reading glasses on, and brightness turned up to max, and you'll want the 16" screen over the 14" or 13", and be wishing there was a 17" MBP/MBA. Father time waits for no one. Oh, and guess how old all the executives are hmmmm... the guys making the decisions on these products....

 

[Powerbooky]

Wondering the same thing as I bought a 2021 LG OLED a couple of months ago.

IMHO as a professional in TV broadcasting I can assure you, if you will use your OLED for only a couple of hours per day and watch programmes that don't have static images so much, then it probably will be fine for years to come. Since OLED still is relatively new in the consumer TV market, it is anyones wild guess how degradation will progress in 5, 10 or 15 years.

Watch this article on a burn-in test with a youtube video.

It always helps to enable the power-off timers in the TV. My TV's at home each have a timer set to 2 hours and the connected AppleTV 4K with their timers set to 30 minutes. Since we only have AppleTV's connected the TV's will be turned off quickly when nobody is actively watching. Good for the electricity bill.


EDIT: adding a URL to an article

 

[Take Flight]

First, I believe that my iPad Pro 12.9” goes from 10Hz to 120Hz. The new Macbook Pro‘s go from 24Hz to 120Hz.

secondly, it’s presented as though Apple is just now interested in micro LED. Apple has done R&D on micro LED before most anyone else, and is considered to be ahead in the area. So this info is nothing new. They’ve purchased various companies involved in it as well. Making micro LEDs for computers and smaller devices is very different from making them for large screen TVs, which is much easier, where the LEDs are more in size to mini LEDs.

Ha yes there were articles like 5+ years ago referencing Apple working on micro led. Seems like they could leap frog currently display tech if they have that figured out and could ever get to production ready.