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Future iPhones Expected to Adopt Apple Watch's Low-Power LTPO Display Technology

Thinking out loud. Why would I need an AOD iPhone?

Just so I can see
  • time or date? (which I can easily see it on my macOS/win10 laptop/desktop while working or my Watch),
  • notifications? (which some such as iMessage, LINE and whatever apps which offers a version that runs on MBP),
  • weather? (which I can easily see it on my macOS/win10 laptop/desktop while working)...
Doesn't seems to be a lot except notifications for those apps which do not has a desktop version. Maybe, just maybe, if those apps adopt the macOS Catalina's Catalyst and offer a macOS app in near future?

I would say an AOD iPhone 11s/12 (whatever it's called in 2020) does not quite excite me if it is just an AOD feature. Likelihood I will still disable it and rather have a longer use-time throughout the day or even lasting 30-36 hours in between need to recharge (which my current X is able to).
 
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Strelok said:
Don’t knock it until you try it? It’s one of the features I do miss from my Note 9.
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It’s a nice feature but if you have an Apple watch I don’t see a big need for it. Not with AOD with the Apple watch series 5...
 
dogslobber said:
But why?
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Because I don’t have to unlock my phone to see if I have any notifications. I can have my phone in my cup holder in my car and give it a quick glance or when it’s on the charger or somewhere else without having to unlock it and hold it every time. I’m not sure why you WOULDN'T want a feature you can always turn off.
 
Strelok said:
Because I don’t have to unlock my phone to see if I have any notifications. I can have my phone in my cup holder in my car and give it a quick glance or when it’s on the charger or somewhere else without having to unlock it and hold it every time. I’m not sure why you WOULDN'T want a feature you can always turn off.
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Guessing you don’t have an Apple Watch then?
I see why people like it and having the feature is nice to have but with AOD on my Apple Watch can’t say I would leave it on to be honest
 
ikir said:
Which usually have technical reason, but whiners on forums always want to post trash like this. Apple is one of the very few companies which continue to bring optimizations even years after snd new features to old hardware. Very often users doesn’t understand the tech limit or the crippled experience Apple doesn’t want users to have.
Series 5 have a new display which can go down to 1hz.
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Apple fanatics always post trash like this! LOL
iPhone X with no Smart HDR or Bokeh Slider anyone? HAHA
Sure, Apple can’t do wrong! OK!
 
Strelok said:
Because I don’t have to unlock my phone to see if I have any notifications. I can have my phone in my cup holder in my car and give it a quick glance or when it’s on the charger or somewhere else without having to unlock it and hold it every time. I’m not sure why you WOULDN'T want a feature you can always turn off.
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*shrug*

There's no real precedent for an always on phone that most people can relate to. The iWatch 5 has a clear and specific use case which is its greatest weakness - telling the time. That's solved for the iWatch but most non-outliers are more interested in battery life in the phone. A display eats battery life so it's not really something normal users lust after.
 
dogslobber said:
*shrug*

There's no real precedent for an always on phone that most people can relate to. The iWatch 5 has a clear and specific use case which is its greatest weakness - telling the time. That's solved for the iWatch but most non-outliers are more interested in battery life in the phone. A display eats battery life so it's not really something normal users lust after.
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I've given you reasons why it would make sense and I don't remember it draining much. I understand if YOU don't see a point in it, but I and others do. Again, what is the issue with adding a feature that can be turned off?
 
chaicka said:
Thinking out loud. Why would I need an AOD iPhone?

Just so I can see
  • time or date? (which I can easily see it on my macOS/win10 laptop/desktop while working or my Watch),
  • notifications? (which some such as iMessage, LINE and whatever apps which offers a version that runs on MBP),
  • weather? (which I can easily see it on my macOS/win10 laptop/desktop while working)...
Doesn't seems to be a lot except notifications for those apps which do not has a desktop version. Maybe, just maybe, if those apps adopt the macOS Catalina's Catalyst and offer a macOS app in near future?

I would say an AOD iPhone 11s/12 (whatever it's called in 2020) does not quite excite me if it is just an AOD feature. Likelihood I will still disable it and rather have a longer use-time throughout the day or even lasting 30-36 hours in between need to recharge (which my current X is able to).
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Garmin did better market research IMO. The main advantage of a smartwatch (over a stylish analogue, for the money) is its fitness tracking capabilities. LCD provides a more than adequate display which is "always on" and works in all the same lighting conditions as a 40y old digital watch. Also the circular shape of Garmin at least allows the wearer to pass it off as a fashionable wristwatch. Vibration notifications and basic phone interaction are available everywhere, and if you want to sacrifice battery life, so is 4G and music. I have seen a few people try to talk to their watches but give up soon after all the awkward moments and embarrassing glares. The displays are simply too small to be useful except to change a mode or adjust a setting.

As for Apple's other features, good luck. I don't see many people using them for long before disabling them. Every high level function right now is power hungry. Apple should have gone for fashion and form over function when it comes to wearables. If they had gone for men's and women's styles and maybe produced a rugged mountaineering watch, I'd be wearing one now.
 
Strelok said:
I've given you reasons why it would make sense and I don't remember it draining much. I understand if YOU don't see a point in it, but I and others do. Again, what is the issue with adding a feature that can be turned off?
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Opportunity cost.

Features take time to design and implement. If you release a key feature that most people end up turning off or not using, those are resources that could have been used to work on other more meaningful features instead.

As it stands, the series 5 Apple Watch is virtually indistinguishable from the series 4 except for the AOD (and the custom processor which makes this possible). If I am not going to use it, why buy a series 5 over a discounted series 4?
 
Glockworkorange said:
Boy, always on display next year with the other changes rumored would be great.
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That is probably what they’ll do, greedy rats.
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If we get the same battery life as the 11 Pro Max next year, I’ll be really happy, regardless of battery size. The Pro Max is pretty heavy and only tolerable because that heft brings with it the absolute best battery life on a mainstream phone.
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An ultra low refresh rate may not be for always on display. It could simply be for those instances when you’re viewing static content, like reading a message.
 
I would love it if Apple were to adopt a similar, low-power, always-on LTPO display on the iPhone (Just like the watch). That way, even with a low-refresh rate (like 1x/sec or slower), I could always look down and see what time it is. Hopefully, the power benefits of LTPO (over LTPS) would be able to offset the additional draw of said always-on feature...
 
H3LL5P4WN said:
Aren't most reviewers saying that the Series 5's battery life is actually bad compared to the 4, and that disabling Always On gets the 5 to the 4's impressive battery life?
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On the contrary. Battery life is horrible with or without always on.

And all the battery issues disappear once you upgrade to 6.1 beta. Leading to the conclusion that it's a bug and not a hardware issue.
 
Anything to avoid having the worst battery life in a flagship for a decade. Apple really does make elegant mediocrity.
 
dantroline said:
Garmin did better market research IMO. The main advantage of a smartwatch (over a stylish analogue, for the money) is its fitness tracking capabilities. LCD provides a more than adequate display which is "always on" and works in all the same lighting conditions as a 40y old digital watch. Also the circular shape of Garmin at least allows the wearer to pass it off as a fashionable wristwatch. Vibration notifications and basic phone interaction are available everywhere, and if you want to sacrifice battery life, so is 4G and music. I have seen a few people try to talk to their watches but give up soon after all the awkward moments and embarrassing glares. The displays are simply too small to be useful except to change a mode or adjust a setting.

As for Apple's other features, good luck. I don't see many people using them for long before disabling them. Every high level function right now is power hungry. Apple should have gone for fashion and form over function when it comes to wearables. If they had gone for men's and women's styles and maybe produced a rugged mountaineering watch, I'd be wearing one now.
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Individual's needs differ. I started off on the very first Apple Watch simply because of the somewhat vivid health feature back then and stayed on it for years until Series 4 was out last year. That very first Apple Watch has proven its worth and priceless (to me and family) cause it brought me back on decent health eversince. Prior to Apple Watch, I was having serious spinal issues at the lower back and neck, causing me inability to get out of bed increasingly (number of days per year). Despite having ergonomics chair and desk height at home, and ergonomics chair at work (desk height not so since it is uniform across office which doesn't suits my height), the spinal issues were not getting any better.

Now that it has been 4-5 years after the first Apple Watch, I am very confident to say this: 'Those damn annoying nags from the Apple Watch at me to stand up HELPED a great deal to change my habits at both work and outside work.' I have not experience any relapse for the lower back issue for last 2+ years. I still have a bit of an issue on the neck but it has not gotten worse (no more arm/hand numbness). Perhaps it is due largely to me ignoring the 'Breathe' nags unless those 'Stand Up' nags.

Just sharing what I have been through and what I seriously think helped me.
 
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