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FYI Notice: No vibration on iPad
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I guess you don't realize that when someone is profoundly deaf that a hearing aid will not make a lot of difference. It won't help in discriminating speech and many subtle sounds that hearing people take for granted.
If u turn the volume to max u can feel it shake a little bit
If you mean the iPad....sure. But who goes around holding the thing 24/7? If one is not holding it that particular cue is lost.
Let me put it in a way that'll help explain what hearing aids can do. This is far too simple, there are people who can hear certain frequency just fine and not the others.
Let's saying normal hearing is 100 HP (hearing points) and now normal hearing aids can only add 10 HP to your ears, but there are several different level of hearing aids that is more powerful but with huge battery consumption, each lvl is 2xHP of normal hearing aids. So a hearing aid lvl 2 adds 20HP and hearing aid lvl 3 adds max 30HP. There is no more, otherwise it'll just blow up and the battery life just in minutes.
A hearing impaired person with 90HP can get normal hearing with hearing aids lvl 1.
Now if they have 75HP, they'll need hearing aid lvl 3 already but the volume will be lowered to match the normal hearing at 100 to minimize the chance of worsening the hearing loss.
Now hearing impaired person with 50HP will need the max lvl 3 hearing aid but can only hear 80% of the normal hearing. However, his ability to understand speech gets worse. It's like adding an amplifier to your 32khz mp3 music, it doesn't matter how much volume you pump to it, if it sound crap, it'll sound crap louder now. The problem is that your ears will only hear what it can pick up. So certain frequency is gone. So it is possible for me to hear the beats of the music and completely miss the voice or the volin.
So hearing impaired person with 40HP, there aren't any hearing aids that'll return normal hearing, so his chances are at best 70HP. But its enough that the speech comprehensive skill is pretty much gone, meaning that the ability to hear speech. So a person won't be able to hear the difference between "want" and "won", "cat" with "catch", and will be missing a lot of word of each sentence. So his understanding of speech is just gone. It's like hearing with an ear protector balls in your ears. You can pick certain words out but you still won't understand the context.
Once you hit down to 30, even with max lvl3 hearing aids to 60HP, your ability to understand speech is gone and now several certain sounds at certain frequency won't be heard at all. The damage is too far for the ear to be able to pick up what you're hearing. So if somebody knocks on the door, you can't hear it at all, but if somebody throws a metal ball on metal, you can hear that frequency but not hands on knock. So imagine sounds for iPhone that doesn't match the lost frequency for your ears.
So the answer to your question is the question I'm going to ask you, what do you think you'll hear if you have 0HP and wearing a lvl3 hearing aids?The only thing you'll be able to hear is a jackhammer right next to you. Believe me, you'll feel it before you'll hear it.
Now there are people that is profoundly deaf, their hair cells (the one that gets the vibration from noise to help you hear) is completely damaged. They won't be able to hear AT ALL, even with a max lvl 10 nuclear powered hearing aids providing 100000HP. In fact there are special hearing aids, bone conduction hearing aids that picks up vibration instead and vibrate your skull instead so that your inner ears can pick it up. Not a lot of people can use this.
There are also implants that attempts to bypass the hair cells and convert outside sound to electronic signals to your brain. You'll notice certain deaf people walking around with an implant on their skull. This doesn't return normal hearing aids or voice, just sound that the implant can convert.
EXACTLY!!!! The iPad is closer to a personal computing device than a mobile device in terms of form factor. It was never intended to be carried around in a pocket. So even if there was a vibrate and you were not holding at that moment that cue is lost as well. This is a want, not a need. If emails are that important you check them periodically. This is ridiculous. So does apple need to add a notification feature for those that are deaf and blind? What a hand that comes out and taps them on the shoulder? I have a busted knee that has had 4 surgeries, I know I have limitations, so I adapt. I don't expect the world to adapt to me.. I have a hard time walking up stairs. But I in no way expect every place I go to have an elevator.
I am just sick of people with disabilities going round saying "treat me as a regular person" "except on certain things Then I want you to go out of your way to adapt to my needs"
external sound alarm?
A deaf friend of mine has a device that blinks a lamp in her house when any loud noise occurs (knock on the door, kitchen kettle whistle, smoke alarm goes off, etc.)
Couldn't a device like that be used with the audible alarm on an iPhone/iPad?
A deaf friend of mine has a device that blinks a lamp in her house when any loud noise occurs (knock on the door, kitchen kettle whistle, smoke alarm goes off, etc.)
Couldn't a device like that be used with the audible alarm on an iPhone/iPad?
I think it would be very interesting if some of the people who have asked questions here would try an experiment.....go to a drugstore and pick up a pair of earplugs. Insert them into your ears/ear canals. Keep them in for several hours while going about your normal life activities. Notice some differences? How has not hearing as well affected you? What do you think could make everyday functioning easier for you again? Why? How?
That'll be awesome if somebody can develop the ability to do that. I would love to have something like a dock or USB light that I can connect to my iPad and have it light up every time there's a new message.
Much better idea.
Don't give me the "walk a mile in my shoes" crap.. There are a hundred different disabilities, is every product made supposed to cater to every one of those. C'mon. And again this is a want not a need. Without it you get your emails a little later, it's not like a deaf person needs it to use the iPad.
The problem is that it's not that complicated for Apple to fix the visual system in iPad and it doesn't just benefit the deaf/hoh people but the hearing people as well. You have no idea how many people need the vibrate feature just because they're at public places or meetings that doesn't allow noise.
First thing to fix, make the lock screen more usable by adding indictors of emails/sms/text. Push doesn't work for email, fix it. Add the ability to see multiple push messages at once too, instead of pressing a button that'll cancel the rest of the Push notifications.
Second thing, while unlocked, why not just add status icon on the status bar? Apple already have time there, why not email/sms/push notification icons there as well and have it flash whenever an incoming message is coming.
I'm not asking Apple to adapt to deaf poeple's needs, I'm asking them to at least fix the visual notification system for the lack of vibration in iPad. It's not just for deaf like I stated.
If you're using an application while on the iPad, you don't get notified of any incoming emails. There's no push notification for emails. As I explained before, the only communication to the world including work employees are email/sms/IM. If I'm in skype on iPad and working with somebody on a project and if I'm there longer than 30-45 minute longer, there's no notification that an email has came in within the first 15 minutes. I have to quit Skype completely and press email to check. It's not that complicated for Apple to fix this. I don't need vibration, just some visual system in place will be fine.
Unfortunately everybody is right, this is not a need but a want. I have told several deaf people who wanted to get an iPad to make their life easier not to get it already. They'll wait till somebody come out with a better device.
So it's just that easy huh. Just fix it. Do it. Put it there. Make it do that.
I get so pissed off when people say stuff like this.. You have no idea the lines of code and general software revamp just to make a small change. All that takes money.. Money for the engineer, the testing. So does the benefit justify it.. The fact is not many people aree complaining about it. U r the first I have heard complain about no vibe in the iPad. In fact If I remember right neither does the touch, I could be wrong about that one. So is it worth spending the money on those "fixes" as u say to satisfy a SMALL % of people.
As far as push goes, u get push with mobile me. Any other email is not going to be push because apple want you to use theirs. This is no different than other companies, blackberry requires you to use their email in order to push notifications as well.
I get so pissed off when people say stuff like this.. You have no idea the lines of code and general software revamp just to make a small change. All that takes money.. Money for the engineer, the testing. So does the benefit justify it.. The fact is not many people aree complaining about it. U r the first I have heard complain about no vibe in the iPad. In fact If I remember right neither does the touch, I could be wrong about that one. So is it worth spending the money on those "fixes" as u say to satisfy a SMALL % of people.
As far as push goes, u get push with mobile me. Any other email is not going to be push because apple want you to use theirs. This is no different than other companies, blackberry requires you to use their email in order to push notifications as well.
most people are not complaining because most of them are hearing. If you take away the sounds for the email/sms/im alerts, people will complain. There are lot of hearing people who benefits from a largely improved visual notification system.
Are you telling me you don't want Apple to add email/sms/text indictors on the status bar?
I know it's not that easy, what I meant is that there's already an easy place to put it. The status bar right there on iPad is just mostly empty. The status bar on iPhone can use this too.
I have no idea if iPod touch has vibration, too many conflicting reports. Does anybody know for sure?
As for push, I'm talking about Push notification, not push emails, They are not the same thing. I had mobileme, it doesn't send a push notification alert when the new email comes in.
Can you make a good point for ketchup on the ipad? More silliness.
Speculation, not fact. Show proof of your numbers for "ONLY ONLY" rant or it didn't happen. Useless tirade.
No you don't. You bring it up for the device that concerns you in a forum that is related to the device.
Assumption. I never mentioned anything about the title being appropriate or not.
1: You have not said anything that made sense yet. You started off earlier by comparing a net book to and ipad. Tell me, which net books require a PC to activate?
2: Similar region? The region that is most similar is the iphone and itouch, not a PCs that can multitask. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, you can have multiple apps open on the same screen and get a visual confirmation without leaving the app your in. The issue for the OP is getting notifications while not leaving the current app they are in. Apparently this little tidbit escapes you.
3: Why should the topic steer away from what the OP is talking about? Because you say so? If you want a topic on all devices then start your own thread. You have nothing useful to say here.
Your very presence here speaks to that.
Pointless
This may have made more sense if you started with this instead of creating your own ridiculous rant.
And the rant still goes on.
You can indeed have Push email from Yahoo, Google, etc.
And if you won't be embarrassed by such a device... check out http://www.ohmibod.com This was the least intrusive one, so to speak... You connect the audio out from the iPad to the line in of this device, and adjust the dial to control the amount of vibration when audio comes through, again, so to speak. Place the little pink, um, device, um, anywhere you like.
If you think you need a overly large device to make it vibrate then you must be a piss poor engineer. Glad you don't work at my company. The examples you use have nothing to do with wanting something for a handicap.
I guess the news doesn't reach you. Apparently he does have time.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=..._enUS364US365&ie=UTF-8&aq=1&oq=Steve+jobs+ans
Get off his jock. He's said things in the past and reversed them. Do you think they spend millions on a device if they don't think there is going to be a market for it. Stop being a tool and believing everything the sputters from Jobs mouth.
By the way, how do you explain cut and paste, bluetooth, search, and the soon to be multitask on the iphone?
You can indeed have Push email from Yahoo, Google, etc.
And if you won't be embarrassed by such a device... check out http://www.ohmibod.com This was the least intrusive one, so to speak... You connect the audio out from the iPad to the line in of this device, and adjust the dial to control the amount of vibration when audio comes through, again, so to speak. Place the little pink, um, device, um, anywhere you like.
Well that's a special way to get alerts... I don't think I can handle the amount of mocking and laughters I'm going to get.
Can you make a good point for ketchup on the ipad? More silliness.
Speculation, not fact. Show proof of your numbers for "ONLY ONLY" rant or it didn't happen. Useless tirade.
No you don't. You bring it up for the device that concerns you in a forum that is related to the device.
Assumption. I never mentioned anything about the title being appropriate or not.
1: You have not said anything that made sense yet. You started off earlier by comparing a net book to and ipad. Tell me, which net books require a PC to activate?
2: Similar region? The region that is most similar is the iphone and itouch, not a PCs that can multitask. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, you can have multiple apps open on the same screen and get a visual confirmation without leaving the app your in. The issue for the OP is getting notifications while not leaving the current app they are in. Apparently this little tidbit escapes you.
3: Why should the topic steer away from what the OP is talking about? Because you say so? If you want a topic on all devices then start your own thread. You have nothing useful to say here.
Your very presence here speaks to that.
Pointless
This may have made more sense if you started with this instead of creating your own ridiculous rant.
And the rant still goes on.
Nice...you really spent the time and did this? I went and got fish tacos instead of waiting
Crap...i can't put it on my Ipad. WTF Notice: No fish tacos on my Ipad!!!
and My point about being extreme is just as silly as expecting vibration on a device. Its a matter of perspective and thats probably how apple sees it. If you really look at all devices that have vibration its really because of a mobile communications industry. Vibration when it first came out was HUGE!!!!!! putting something in your pocket or leaving it on the table so it doesn't disturb any but at the same have it so when you indeed get a vibration when something from the "outside world" pings you whether that be an phone call, a text or an email. But the main purpose of the vibration was to be alert.
Now the if the OP wants to use it for lets say email. I can see why he would want it. but if the person is hearing impaired and you leave it on the table and it rumbles.....how is he going to hear it? He has to have it on his lap. or somewhere the vibration will reach him so he can feel it. if anything, you need another device that you keep in your pocket thats bluetooth hooked up to the iphone that sends a vibration whenever there is a sound. the same sound you get when you get an email.
What else you want me to solve? world peace? Simple....FISH TACOS!!!!
I really hope this doesn't start into another issue that you need on your phone but then when everyone and their mom's whine about it because device B got it and then you never use it....that will just be annoying.
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Anywayyyyyysss...glad to see the OP changed it to FYI. Now the universe is restored and only 3 fish suffered to make my tacos.
Yeah, I'm glad I don't work for your company, especially if you think it is steve jobs actually responding to those emails. But whatever believe what you want.
With people emailing him about every single little issue, I'm sure he is getting 1000's of emails a day, and Im sure some lackey is randomly answering some of them.
If you would take the time to read a post correctly, I said it would take a large mechanism to be useful of the iPad. Way too much surface area to use a little pager vibe. And exactly what credentials do you have that makes you think I am wrong?
You seem to use allot of food metaphors, which would indicate a problem in a different area, hope it's not so. I am glad the fish taco's and the title change have calmed your nerves.
I love food. Who doesn't? and I couldn't think of anything on the top of my head. i was in a time crunch to type it.
Believe it or not, deaf people put the devices close to where they can feel even the tiniest vibration. Our bodies are tuned to feel it much better. With no hearing, the rest of our sense are even more tuned to pick up the vibration. It's the same how the blind have their hearing tuned to pick up certain noises. It's how the bodies adapt to the loss of a sense. Remember that deaf people do rely on those devices more than the hearing people do, it's our only way to communicate with our family and friends. Imagine in the street, we can't even use the payphones. We need to be able to use the phone to use relay services or email/text/IM.
I actually do bring my device with me and put it where I can feel if anything coming. If i'm on the couch, the phone is on the coffee table with my feet touching the leg of the table or on the table, or the phone is under my arm pillow. Bed time, if I'm expecting something, it's placed on my bed header or under my pillow, otherwise it's elsewhere if I don't care about emergencies.
No I don't think he's answering any of them, but the public does. It is a matter of perception. It makes him look good if people think he actually answers a few.
I disagree with the surface area argument, however I will leave it at that. Crendtials, please this is a forum. That question is something I would expect from a newb. Like they say, pics or it didn't happen. I can say anything or show a picture of any document, how would that help you.
I think if you feel with all your heart that this would benefit you and you aren't alone. This is something you shouldn't just bring to apple, but to the whole industry. Reach out to as many companies. The more companies adapt and once this because widely accepted, then apple too will change over or even better....take the lead.