G4 Powerbook and video capture

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  1. Haemoglobin macrumors member

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    This is something I've like to do, maybe for nostalgia but also for practical purposes. I dug out my old 90s camcorder recently, bought a new battery and have been recording like it's 1993.

    I have a perfectly good usb capture dongle for my winxp system that does the job, but I'd really like to see about using my G4. I don't believe the dongle I have is OSX compatible, so I was hoping someone might be able to suggest an alternative. I'm guessing firewire is probably my best route, being much faster than USB. What did people use back in '06 with their powerbooks?
     
  2. kasuja00 macrumors member

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    Hi, you can try to see if your usb dongle is compatible with Elgato Eyetv software. I have a Terratec cinergy T2 that is compatible with Elgato software.
    Eyetv is wonderful also to cut video file and erase Commercials also.

    There are also dongles (like Eyetv 250 usb) that have hardware-encoding and don't stress your G4 to produce mpeg2 file.
     
  3. Haemoglobin thread starter macrumors member

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    I believe it's a dazzle* but I need to check. A quick look online would indicate some of them are compatible with mac osx. Lets just hope that extends to PPC :)

    I was thinking iMovie might be a good application for video editing, what do people think?
     
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    I used to use a Hi8 video camera around 2002 - it was a revelation plugging it into my G4 iMac via Firewire and having full realtime control and capture in iMovie.
     
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    Well I hope this works, as I'd love to do some stuff on youtube. I have my own tech blog, mostly for keeping track of projects I do. Not much in the way of Apple related things, apart from fixing my Plus and updating my Pismo and an interviewing a Profs Lee. The man responsible for the Macintosh Classic repair guide that a lot of Plus, SE, Classic owners use to keep our machines running.

    A few people have asked me whether I'll ever make videos and whilst I personally hate the sound of my own voice, I thought I could at least do a silent movies with text and a little music. Showing off some repair or what not :p
     
  6. bobesch, Nov 27, 2018
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    Hi! That's the kind of stuff I like to tinker with too!
    Those Windows-related USB-dongles are particular picky about the hardware ...
    If your Camcorder does sport FireWire, you may connect directly to your Mac and record Video-out through FireWire with either iMovie or QuickTime. I don't know, if a Hi8 Camcorder, which records analog video will offer that option, since we only owe a DV-Camcorder. Those ones send the DV-stream directly and unchanged through Firewire-connection and encoding to a lower-resolution / another video-format is the time-consuming process, that has to be done by the Mac later, after editing within iMovie. (BTW iMovie'06 is the most advanced version, which runs on PowerMacs and it offers the option to include 3rd-party filters and effect which makes iMovie to a real semi-professional video-editor.
    If your Hi8-Camcorder has only Analog-Out (which is most likely), you'll have that cable with maybe Klinke 3,5-out on one side and a bunch of yellow/red/white chinch-connectors on the other side.
    Then you'll need conversion from analog to digital, mainly by an external encoder box:
    There are two choices of external-boxes still available at auctions etc. (encoding takes place within the external encocer-box):
    1) Encoding from analog to MPEG2 (USB-connection): eyeTV 200 or 250+ (small video-file-size). The option to edit the output video is mainly limited to trim the footage by the included eyeTV-software. But it's fast and footage does take less space on your harddrive
    2) Encoding from analog to DV (FireWire-connection): Canopus ADVC50/100/110. There are full options for editing the DV-footage with iMovie or FinalCut etc. But DV-footage does take a lot of space (15GB/h), editing is slow, depending on editing demands and converting the video to e.g. MPEG2 etc is also time consuming whilst performed through the Macs power of computing.
    Going the "fast" eyeTV-MPEG-encoding method might also lead to asynchronous audio and video as soon as you start to edit the captured MPEG-footage. The reason is, that each Record/Stop-command on an analog-camcorder will produce a short gap of the video-signal, whilst the audio has no such a gap. Compressing analog video through old encoder-hardware will in worst case remove any time-signal, that connects the corresponding audio- and video-sequences, the video-gaps are removed and the video-footage gets shorter than the audio-capture. You won't notice that on the Master-version of the MPEG-encoded footage, but only after the first time of trimming or editing.
    In 2000 I happend to owe a FAST/Dazzle "DVD-Master" video-capture-card for PC, that used to nag me with that kind of problems. (I should have better spent the money elsewhere ...)
    There are solutions to repair the MPEG-stream, but they are time-consuming and capturing DV-footage prevents you from such a hassle.

    Here some links:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/video-editing-solutions-for-ppc.2145300/#post-26613334
    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...t-about-imovie06-howto.2042289/#post-24523807
    http://www.offeryn.de/pvas_2_1.htm (software to repair corrupt MPEG2-stream containing video-gaps)
     
  7. Haemoglobin thread starter macrumors member

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    The camera I have is circa '93 VHS-C video camera, so I have S-video and AV as outputs.

    Going to find out with Dazzle I have, as it might work with my Powerbook.
     
  8. bobesch, Nov 28, 2018
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    The Dazzle-dongle probably won't work ...
    Unfortunately the Canopus ADVC 100/110, which are listed for auctions are pretty expensive... :(
    So only eyeTV is a reasonable choice. There are a few eyeTV 250 units listet in the UK:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_...40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=eyetv+250&_sacat=0
    (mods: not my auctions)
    For some reasons, eyeTV might be the better choice: the external box does all the encoding and the footprint of the recorded footage is reasonable small. I guess, the encoding-quality will fit the video-quality of the analog Camcorder and is small enough for web or broadcast.
    You may also use eyeTV/Mac-combination as a video-recorder or the combination of Camcorder/eyeTV/Mac for surveillance or documentation. With a Server-version of Tiger or Leopard you may even broadcast the video-signal (I've just noticed that option, when I installed the server-version, but didn't try to get it working...) Well, it won't be as crisp and clear as the live-stream of the latest Apple-events ...
    QuickTime Broeadcaster.jpeg
     
  9. Haemoglobin thread starter macrumors member

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    I seem to be struggling to find anything online, all the eyetv units i've found were in the states
     
  10. bobesch macrumors 65816

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    I don't believe it will work on PPC with OSX 10.4/5.
    https://www.honestech.com/main/VIDBOXforMac.asp
    All the USB-connected capturing divices need their specific software to get connected with the Mac and do only work, as long as there's a version for your type of Mac and OS. (Same with eyeTV 200/250/250+, but is has eyeTV-software for PPC in the box)
    The Cannopus/GrassValley ADVC55/100/110 connects via FireWire and i detected as an video-input device by OSX/iMovie/Quicktime and therefore doesn't need any extra software to work.
     

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