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I think the biggest problem with this article is that the edu-model is presented first. The edu-model looks like crap from a consumer perspective. It looks, however, like it's brilliant for computer labs. All the components in the edu-model seem to be chosen as to reduce cost, so I expect, if this rumor is true, that the edu-model will go for less than $1200.

The $1300-$2200 range is probably for the consumer models. The consumer models aren't so bad if they are to compete against consumer PCs who for the low end usually have integrated GPUs with shared memory, and in the mid-range also often use the Geforce 5200 GPU.

I know someone who bought a Dell setup with 19" display and Geforce 5200 a couple of months ago for $2100, so this doesn't seem so bad.

I really hope the $1300-$2200 range doesn't include the edu-model!!
 
I don't think this design is true

Steve Said with the debut of the last iMac model that mounting an optical drive vertically is very unefficient. There are limits to how fast a drive can operate when in the vertical postion.

This same thing happened last time the iMac was changed. Before this last iMac design came out, people thought it would be an all-in-one design with the computer and optical drive behind the screen, like that Sony. I really don't think this is what is going to happen, Apple likes to create new designs and this wouldn't be something we hadn't seen before.

BUT.... if they did it, I sure they figured out a way to make it look cool. 🙂
 
A $2200 dollar computer with nearly ZERO upgradability and a crappy $50 video card... sounds like the crappiest iMac they've ever put togather! People would be better off buying a dual 1.8 and a nice CRT! Damn Apple! Why don't you support mac gaming?!
 
We Wait 2yrs for this?

I see why Jobs didn't introduce this at the WWDC , americans would have let him have it after seeing those crappy specs, maybe the French will be a little more merciful to him.

i'm sorry i can't look at this and say i'm excited because i'm not at all. this is way below my expectations especially when compared to the Dell Opti-plex which is state of the art compared to this mess. here are some points.

New G5 iMac

G5 CPU 1.6-1.8 whle i realize that apple has to keep the chips slower to protect sales of Power macs would asking for a single 2.0ghz chip on the top end really have affected sales much? It's still just one chip compared to 2 for the lowend power mac. Dual 1.8's will still kick the crap out of a single 2.0ghz so what's the deal apple.

Video cards GF 4MX/GF FX 5200

now this is where i really have a problem. I know the imac is for consumers only but does that mean we can't play any games at all. why should we need to spend $2-3K on a power mac for the privlage of playing Halo when i can do so on $700 PC. does any one realize that the GF 4MX came out in 2002 , the same year the last gen iMac was released. the GF FX5200 is almost as old (2003)
would it really have been unreasonable apple to include a Radeon 9600XT I mean they are kinda old now they should be cheap. although the new Readon X600 would have been perffered. (64mb video cards u gotta be kidding).

80-160GB Serial ATA hard drives

well the SATA part is good but the capacity is a realy bummer. is this not mid-2004 cuz i can't remember with these spec's 120GB drives should be standard no if's and but's about it just like 60GB was back in 2002. I hate the fact that apple always has to seriously cripple thier Consumer lines because they are to paranoid about messing with PM sales.

256MB DDR ram

now when i brought my iMac it came with 256MB ram , the problem is that was back in Feb 2002. rev1 2nd gen 15in iMac 800mhz 2x super drive. that was state of the art for a consumer machine this is not. Did Apple miss the memo saying the whole comp industry has moved on to 512 being standard ...even on cheap'o $800 PC's

Slot loading drive

now i really don't like this eyecandy crap, not only are slot drives much more likely to screw up but now i can't even change the optical drive when i want to upgrade to a faster burner. atleast i could have done this with my old iMac. one less thing that is now upgradable, u would have appreciated it more if apple didn't spend so much money on fancy BS like this and could have put that money into the Video card , Ram or bigger HD. a OEM 16X DVD +/-RW burner would have made much more sense since new egg has them. Pioneer has the DVR-108 out now for about $100.

I don't have any beef with the monitors they are beautiful.


other stuff i would have liked

Giga bit Ethernet 10/100/1000
now some will say that this is no needed in a consumer machine but ,i beg to differ in 2yrs 30Mb/5Mb broadband will be out once Fiber Fios takes over DSL. the extra bandwidth would help. besides gigabit ethernet is no longer a pro feature as it somes standard in cheap $75 Asus & Abit mother boards.

Optical Audio in/out
this is also in standard those cheap'o Mother boards i just mentioned. so this was expected.

PCI Express
for the Love of GOD Apple why not include this. as u will need it in the long run. even Dells OptiPlex has this standard w/ open/free slots.

as it stands Dell has really dealt the new iMac a kick in the ass . not that i would buy a freaken Dell but from a technical stand point the OptiPlex has been out for over a month and is already superior to Apples as yet to be Released iMac .

maybe i was expecting a lil too much , but Apple is supposed to be the leader in Innovation. this is not an innovation this was simply the logical next step as G4s are obsolete. all they did wasplay it safe and take the next step rather than blow our socks off. I am very Disappointed in Apples lack of Effort here. this is basically last years mid-low end half ass crippled
power mac G5s squeezed into a pizza box.

Apple I expect better. i was hoping for something more impressive because i need a new comp and dont have $3k for a power mac /monitor combo, but having seen this i will just put together a kick ass AMD Athlon 64 machine that will Murder this imac at 1/2 the price , prob make it dual boot
XP Pro/ Mandrake Linux 10
 
I have no problem with the reported specs, with a STRONG exception for the graphics card. That level graphics card is completely unacceptable. Games coming out now barely run smoothly with 64mb - in a year, those who bought these machines wouldn't be able to play ANYTHING new, except for some shareware games and the likes (not that those are bad 🙂

I would upgrade my flat screen for a 128mb card, but not just 32 more megs of VRAM.
 
The Think Secret article all seems to make sense, EXCEPT the video card.

They clearly state "GeForce MX 5200". However, I cannot find that card existing anywhere.

There is a "GeForce FX 5200", which is in the current iMacs.

There is a "GeForce MX 5600", which is a newer chip.

But again, I could not find a link via Google to a "GeForce MX 5200". So if we're lucky, TS's snitch just got it wrong, and it will actually be the MX 5600 OR the FX 5600 graphics chip. Both are superior to the 5200, and offer DX9 /CoreImage/CoreVideo support.

I can't believe Apple would release a new iMac that doesn't properly support CoreImage. *crossing fingers*
 
taco said:
1) you're buying an apple, not a pc (doesn't matter what make, a pc is a pc.) you can't compare a low cost dell to a low cost mac- there will never be a price competitive macintosh; that would be like asking for a bmw that has a price competitive with a ford. it's not going to happen.
Wait until next year when the 2005 BMW 1 Series hits the market. It will start in the low 20s. Saab has the 9-2x and Volvo has the S40. The luxury car makers are realizing that there are other markets out there. Apple should do the same....
 
Optical drives not needed!

psxndc said:
No optical drives on the low end? How do I load Tiger when it comes out? I dunno about the rest of it, but they will have at least a CDR drive. At least. Seriously, how would you install anything?? And a CDR is like $10 more than a CD-ROM these days. At least a CDR.

-p-

How will you install anything?? YOU won't. It's for schools. All sorts of maintainance can be done over the network. Why would you want to go from machine to machine inserting CDs when you can click a couple buttons on the admin machine and copy a HD image to 25 machines at once? In an emergency, you can plug in an external drive. Optical drives in schools are bad news. Kids stick crap in them and they quit working anyway.
 
Trimix said:
allow me disagree. i have been sitting here with my first generation swivel i-mac, 15inch and so far it has served me well.

anyhow i keep learning a lot from you out there - thanks

Cool! If there would not be a site like MacRumors, with a lot of people telling us what kinda Macs they use at home, we would still be just satisfied with an iMac like yours, just because it's good enough!

😀
 
GET OVER IT PEOPLE THIS IS A RUMOR OK? NEVER EVER EVER GO ON AND ON AND ON OVER A STUPID RUMOR OK? jeese. DOnt you people have hobbies except for complaning about everything?
 
only if...

I would buy this iMac if-AND ONLY IF-the display can be used as an external second display (mirror like the powerbook). That way, when the specs become old and I grab a powerbook G6 in a few years, I can get the 12" one and plug it in to my 4-year old iMac 20" widescreen display. 😀

What do you think the chances are that the screen could be used separately from the pc? It would definitely help silence all those that want a separate display for the iMac (I assume for $/value purposes) and at the same time keep the design all in one!
 
Don't you all see what's happening here? Steve Jobs is in his hospital bed right now laughing at us because of all this G5 iMac talk. He probably submitted this story, lol. 😀

I don't think these specs are real, 🙄 the processor sounds about right, but a G5 computer should have more power in the Graphics Card and Hard Drive sections. I mean it's a G5 we're talking about, not some low-end G4!

When the eMacs beat the iMacs, that will be a sad day... 😉
 
Your exactly right. The market for the so called elite group of people isn't as profitable as the market for us common folks.
sigamy said:
Wait until next year when the 2005 BMW 1 Series hits the market. It will start in the low 20s. Saab has the 9-2x and Volvo has the S40. The luxury car makers are realizing that there are other markets out there. Apple should do the same....

I don't know squat about graphics cards, but I do know that my 800 Mhz G4 iMac has a GF4 MX in it. And it was purchased Jan. 2003. So why are they still putting these card into a newer G5 iMac. sheeesh.
 
Why not just keep a G4 for the education market?

Will be interesting to see what the iMac G5s end up looking like.

As far as stripping down the education model goes, I have one problem -

If education users / student computer labs have needs so conservative that they don't even require optical drives, they why in god's name do they need a G5 processor right now? Just pump up the eMac or make a cost-efficient LCD G4 Mac that would cost half as much as this G5 monster, and give 'consumers' what they really need/want for a computer that should last a few more years at least...
 
NusuniAdmin said:
GET OVER IT PEOPLE THIS IS A RUMOR OK? NEVER EVER EVER GO ON AND ON AND ON OVER A STUPID RUMOR OK? jeese. DOnt you people have hobbies except for complaning about everything?

I like to draw. 😀


Seriously though I do agree with you.
"Don't bite the hand that feeds you."
"Take what you can get."
"Use the force Luke!"
 
This is really sad. I was expacting a lot more from Apple. I would say at lest a 2GH iMac would have been good. I do n't know why we still see the 1.6GH chips, specially when it is single processer. I think Apple can do better and I hope to find out that this is not true.
 
G5 Powerbook

tex210 said:
comictimes... the originals were crt, so they were deep... this will be pretty flat. Think Powerbook with the lid inverted, no keyboard or hinge.

You meant G5 Powerbook right? 😉 Sorry, it just wouldn't be a proper rumor without a PB plug.

Edit: Oh, been mentioned already, see what happens when you fall asleep.
 
AndrewMT said:
Umm, no optical drives on the low-end model? I mean, I understood why Apple stopped installing floppy drives in their machines, but I think it's a little to early to call optical drives obsolete.

I for one hope these rumors are untrue. Besides the processor and sata drives, these new iMacs would not be much of an improvement over the previous models.

that is the low end for the education market. Besides, there are plenty of good firewire drives out there if you want to add a burner etc.
 
Object-X said:
You meant G5 Powerbook right? 😉 Sorry, it just wouldn't be a proper rumor without a PB plug.

This is clearly a big step towards getting the G5 in a powerbook 🙂
 
I don't know if anybody else noticed (I could only bear to read the first two pages of comments) but these iMacs lack bluetooth. They work with a wired keyboard/mouse only.

That IMO is f**ked up. Anyway, I won't be buying one - I receive my 17inch Powerbook 1.5Ghz (with the 128Mb gfx card) on Wednesday.

Hehe, I couldn't wait for a G5, but so long as Doom3 plays on the new machine then I'll be happy.

😀
 
🙁
If these spec's are accurate or even close, Apple will not achieve their stated goal of increasing market share.
 
You people are sad

Most of you are complaining on the specs of a rumor from a RUMOR SITE and taking it like it was gospel and true...please get a life 🙄 🙄 🙄
 
Detachable monitor

What if the iMac's monitor could be detached? As I was thinking about why they would not sell a standalone 17" cinema, it occurred to me that the new monitor line can be mounted on a wall...like a TV. Could this new design allow for essentially the same thing? The monitor comes off and the pizza box case can be discretely placed out of the way. Perhaps they will finally come out with a headless mac. I can't believe that Apple would replace the eMac at $800 with an iMac at $1,300; the only advantage of that would be the ability to purchase the iMac without the monitor at $800. I know it's a longshot but I just woke up and it came to me in a dream. 🙄
 
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