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G5 iMac Specs?
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wow so we will get firewire 800, pc card slot, 128MB graphics opt., dual display and dvi out, , battery power? , hmm interestingcsubear said:
dragonslive said:
Or Dual Xeon 3.6 Ghz Workstation is nearly as fast as the Dual 2.5 G5... for 1.5 times the price...
YOU DON'T GET ANY PERFORMANCE NEAR THE DUAL G5s WITH A SINGLE PROCESSOR PC!! JUST GET IT!!
The Dual 2.5 Ghz G5 has a floating point performance equal to a 6.4 Ghz pentium 4!!! So what??
Higher performance = higher price. The G5s are workstation class like Dual Opteron and Dual Xeon but a lot cheaper! So get it, or leave it!
The only thing that is missing from Apple is a non workstation mac with a fast single processor (g5) and a good price. Many people won't like the new iMac G5, especially the fixed LCD and fixed (and weak) graphics card...
I really hope these specs are untrue...
Re: Motion
Motion would just run very fine on iMacs with this specs and an upgraded RAM to 1 GB. The GeForceFX5200Ultra is able to handle the realtime graphics and Core Image/Video. Also the Single G5 will perform very well too! I think even better than most Dual G4s.
So the new iMac should be rather good "Motion" machine, but still a bad gamung machine and also Core Image/video like stuff runs slower as on better hardware.
I also would think this specs are fine, when the GFX board is changeable (+BTO) and there is a BTO option for an 1.8 Ghz 17" iMac.
Phobophobia said:
Motion would just run very fine on iMacs with this specs and an upgraded RAM to 1 GB. The GeForceFX5200Ultra is able to handle the realtime graphics and Core Image/Video. Also the Single G5 will perform very well too! I think even better than most Dual G4s.
So the new iMac should be rather good "Motion" machine, but still a bad gamung machine and also Core Image/video like stuff runs slower as on better hardware.
I also would think this specs are fine, when the GFX board is changeable (+BTO) and there is a BTO option for an 1.8 Ghz 17" iMac.
tallyho
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No Optical
Apple has offered the emac without optical drive for months in the UK for education. How strange that no-one seems to have noticed! It costs £365 and my school will probably be getting some. Check the price list: there it is.
http://images.apple.com/uk/education/howtobuy/pdf/aepl050804.pdf It's mainly good to stop the kids snapping off the CD trays, or forcing things into a slot load drive.
Now on to the serious stuff: you're all crying over a graphics card!?!? It's design that matters, not having this month's/week's/day's graphics card of choice. The display on my G4 iMac is a fanastic design, way better than the standalone cinema displays. I hope Apple doesn't step backwards with the new iMac. Have you tried using a cheap, plasticy PC TFT monitor of the sort people keep mentioning with respect to DELLs and eMachines etc? Not pleasant, and not adjustable.
Apple has offered the emac without optical drive for months in the UK for education. How strange that no-one seems to have noticed! It costs £365 and my school will probably be getting some. Check the price list: there it is.
http://images.apple.com/uk/education/howtobuy/pdf/aepl050804.pdf It's mainly good to stop the kids snapping off the CD trays, or forcing things into a slot load drive.
Now on to the serious stuff: you're all crying over a graphics card!?!? It's design that matters, not having this month's/week's/day's graphics card of choice. The display on my G4 iMac is a fanastic design, way better than the standalone cinema displays. I hope Apple doesn't step backwards with the new iMac. Have you tried using a cheap, plasticy PC TFT monitor of the sort people keep mentioning with respect to DELLs and eMachines etc? Not pleasant, and not adjustable.
daveg5 said:
Bingo. I have a friend who just bought a 15" powerbook with the faster HD and 128MB ATI Radeon Mobile and that little bugger really cranks. If the rumors about the graphics card for the new iMac are true, the top end Powerbooks might be a better buy.
tallyho said:
I agree that a non-adjustable display would be a mistake. But the graphics card claims of ThinkSecret are not good. Its not an issue of having today's greatest graphics possible, its a matter of having this year's graphics.
The education iMac is probably fine the way it is but I think the other 2 new iMacs should be as follows:
17" widescreen display
- Single 1.6GHz G5 Processor
- slot-loading Combo drive (SuperDrive optional)
- 80GB Serial ATA hard drive (160, 250GB optional)
- 512MB of DDR SDRAM (4 slots up to 4GB)
- 512K L2 cache
- NVIDIA GeForce MX 5200 Ultra w/ 64MB of DDR vram
- VGA video output, S-video and composite video output
- 56K internal modem
- 10/100/1000BASE-T Ethernet
- two FireWire 800 ports
- three USB 2.0 ports
- two USB 1.1 ports on the keyboard.
20" widescreen display
- Single 1.8GHz G5 processor
- slot-loading SuperDrive
- 160GB Serial ATA hard drive (250GB optional)
- 512MB of DDR SDRAM (4 slots up to 4GB)
- ATI Radeon 9600 XT w/ 128MB of DDR vram
- All other features will be the same as the 17-inch models.
Don't buy no ugly iMac
If the new iMac looks anything like the Sony...well, I just don't believe it.
The attached keyboard...no way.
The lack of adjustable monitor...two steps backward. I just don't believe it.
But if so....it'll be a PM Dual 1.8...but no monitor for 3 to 4 months 🙄 can't afford it at the same time.
C'mon Steve, say it ain't so...
If the new iMac looks anything like the Sony...well, I just don't believe it.
The attached keyboard...no way.
The lack of adjustable monitor...two steps backward. I just don't believe it.
But if so....it'll be a PM Dual 1.8...but no monitor for 3 to 4 months 🙄 can't afford it at the same time.
C'mon Steve, say it ain't so...
I sure hope these things look better than the The Pizza box looking PC's...
I think the current design looks cool.... So I guess Ill give Apple the benifit of the doubt on the Rumoured new design
I think the current design looks cool.... So I guess Ill give Apple the benifit of the doubt on the Rumoured new design
CmdrLaForge said:
I don't know what you are talking about. I am a "teenager" (19) who grew up on both PCs and macs. Also with with Sparc, Alpha, ect (very well conntected). I provide support for nearly all of my parents friends, several local law firms, and a few other locals B's.
I need a computer for college and i will buy a mac.
My friends, who don't know the "state" of the art went off and bought a dell. When it messes up they want me to fix it., they don't know jack about "state of the art" and they are average.
Show me a world where average computer users know jack about "state of the art" and i want to move there.
IbJr
NVIDIA GeForce MX 5200 Ultra for non-gamers
I understand from reading many of the posts regarding the lack of a high end video card in the upcoming iMac that game-players would be very unhappy with the NVIDIA GeForce MX 5200 Ultra w/ 64MB.
However being a designer and not playing any games, could someone help me understand if the NVIDIA GeForce MX 5200 Ultra that 'may' come in even the highest end iMac G5 would be a good enough card for Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign and the like?
I understand from reading many of the posts regarding the lack of a high end video card in the upcoming iMac that game-players would be very unhappy with the NVIDIA GeForce MX 5200 Ultra w/ 64MB.
However being a designer and not playing any games, could someone help me understand if the NVIDIA GeForce MX 5200 Ultra that 'may' come in even the highest end iMac G5 would be a good enough card for Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign and the like?
daveg5 said:
Indeed, those features of the PB are all what we're clammering for. So, tell me again why I would possibly want a G5 iMac instead of a 17" powerbook?
dongmin said:
I totally agree. Buy a 3rd party monitor and be happy. There are plenty of good looking flat panels out there which get good ratings. Go to the Ars Technica forum and look at the 300 pages of monitor feedback in the Audio/Visual forum! It's nuts for you to punt the Power Mac for an iMac over the monitor issue. Seriously -- you might need to rethink your computer science career.
mojohanna
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Mudbug said:
Couldn't the network admin install needed updates across the network? The elimination of the optical drive would then serve two purposes. Security and lower the cost/time to update/upkeep. everything is distributed. No need for the admin to run around to 100 different machines with a set of disks updating/reinstalling things.
CmdrLaForge
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Ibjr said:
You already know Macs. Thats the difference. The question was and still is - how to convince PC users to switch. And if this graphics card crap comes true you will not find may. And believe me - most teenagers know what state of the art technology is. Sure they have no glue how to fix them. But they can compare and they do compare raw numbers.
Good that you stay with Macs anyway.
My first post!!
Hi all,
I'd like to say it's my first post on this forum, even though I've browsed for over a year.
But this thread has actually made me want to post.
Never have I seen such a bunch of whingers getting together in one place.
Chill out guys (and gals) - nothing is fact. There is nothing wrong with speculative thinking on new Apple technology. After all, that's what this site is about.
But the really venomous posts of - "That's it Apple! I'll never buy a Mac again!" etc - are a little premature.
Being a long time pc owner I always played the spec-chase game. Every few months I'd upgrade, why? Because that's the way the PC market works. They want you to contantly spend on upgrades, by bombarding you will relatively useless stats, you buy into the myth that shaving 1.5 seconds off Photoshop loading you are gonna have a better PC.
Yet with the mac, ibook, powerbook and powermac, you don't have to. The only upgrade I made was to up the Ram (because it's the one area where Apple fall down - but being so cheap 3rd party I can see why they don't bother trying). I've had my ibook for some time now and it runs just fine. With the maxed out 640mb ram I can even run Photoshop CS okay. And guess what I won't have to upgrade in six months just to keep the machine running.
And all you people saying Dells are cheaper etc. Yes they are, but how stable are they? Do they come with great software? Are they designed not just well, but so well they can influence a generation of designers?
Guess not.
What suprises me most about this thread is that people who seem to have and own macs are the ones complaining the loudest.
I wonder if Microsoft shoud launch a switcher campaign themselves. 😉
My speculative interest is much more with the design. Will the keyboard be wirless? Will the screen have the firewire ports in the back or front? Will we see a two button mouse? Or how about a one button mouse with some sort of unique web navigation system?
What I'm looking for with Apple is innovation in the UI experience, the look and feel of the product and the stability of knowing that my system is safe from most of the problems that plague the PC market.
Hi all,
I'd like to say it's my first post on this forum, even though I've browsed for over a year.
But this thread has actually made me want to post.
Never have I seen such a bunch of whingers getting together in one place.
Chill out guys (and gals) - nothing is fact. There is nothing wrong with speculative thinking on new Apple technology. After all, that's what this site is about.
But the really venomous posts of - "That's it Apple! I'll never buy a Mac again!" etc - are a little premature.
Being a long time pc owner I always played the spec-chase game. Every few months I'd upgrade, why? Because that's the way the PC market works. They want you to contantly spend on upgrades, by bombarding you will relatively useless stats, you buy into the myth that shaving 1.5 seconds off Photoshop loading you are gonna have a better PC.
Yet with the mac, ibook, powerbook and powermac, you don't have to. The only upgrade I made was to up the Ram (because it's the one area where Apple fall down - but being so cheap 3rd party I can see why they don't bother trying). I've had my ibook for some time now and it runs just fine. With the maxed out 640mb ram I can even run Photoshop CS okay. And guess what I won't have to upgrade in six months just to keep the machine running.
And all you people saying Dells are cheaper etc. Yes they are, but how stable are they? Do they come with great software? Are they designed not just well, but so well they can influence a generation of designers?
Guess not.
What suprises me most about this thread is that people who seem to have and own macs are the ones complaining the loudest.
I wonder if Microsoft shoud launch a switcher campaign themselves. 😉
My speculative interest is much more with the design. Will the keyboard be wirless? Will the screen have the firewire ports in the back or front? Will we see a two button mouse? Or how about a one button mouse with some sort of unique web navigation system?
What I'm looking for with Apple is innovation in the UI experience, the look and feel of the product and the stability of knowing that my system is safe from most of the problems that plague the PC market.
W.O.D. said:
I am aware of cheaper monitor offerings. I've (annoyingly) become accustomed to the widescreen format. Which you pay an ever greater premium for than Apple externally. 🙄
And I don't think choosing an iMac over a PowerMac because of a "monitor issue" is a Bad Thing. What do you look at all day? I spend my day having code on one side of the screen and documents/visualisations on the other. The monitor makes the machine. My productivity is most closely tied to my ability to refer to things whilst coding at the same time. A PowerMac over an iMac would be *nice* for when I actually run code, but I can't afford it. I'm sorry if that sounds like it makes me a lesser student.
iMacs *do* represent excellent value when the base is coupled with the price of the monitor slapped on. Why is that value not passed onto the external monitors?
Frobozz
macrumors demi-god
iBoris said:
Welcome to the forum. Looks like you're looking at things objectively, which is something some of the more extreme posters should consider. There seems to be a lot of people with their own personal "reality distortion field."
I somehow think that the graphics card on the iMac may see an update, as some have speculated that these specs are from a version of the iMac that was supposed to see the light of day several months ago. But even if it doesn't, it will sell like hot cakes.