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Education model unsatisfactory

Speaking as a teacher, the absence of an optical drive will be a major problem. How are we supposed to put software on the machines? Unlike many corporations, our machines are not all networked; in fact, my school only got all of it's computers attached to the *internet* last year. Teachers also have software they have purchased for their specific classes.

I don't see many schools buying these. Without at list a cd-rom drive, they're completely unusable. (And this assumes that there isn't academic material which is provided on DVDs, an invalid assumption as it happens.) The lack of an optical drive actually discriminates against poor schools, and schools in rural areas which have difficulty obtaining broadband service, and cannot afford T1 lines. Apple really needs to rethink this.
 
joeboy_45101 said:
if the number of positive/negative votes is an indication of how this Mac will be accepted then Apple is in deep doodoo.

Take a look at the number of positive and negative votes on the thread announcing the iPod Mini (or the original iPod for that matter). Overwhelmingly negative.

MacRumors may be entertaining reading... but take the comments and votes with a grain of salt.
 
A Good Move By Apple For Educational Needs

These iMac options make sense for a school… You can set one optically available Mac as a server sharing it's optical drive on a local network in order for non-optical Mac's to access and install app's, or get Non-optical Mac’s and an external optical drive. Both these options would save the school a hell of a lot of money. I still would rather have optical drives on all of my Mac's if it weren’t a cost issue. But “savings” is the issue here and I think it’s a good move by Apple. I’m also sure apple will be updating Rendezvous to make this task easier.
 
for people wandering why edu wants a mac with no optical drive it's because if i brought in a mac os x boot cd i can change the admin password so it is a liability.

(i did this once and installed halo without the admin knowing 😎.)
 
Think Secret and the Apple Connection

Maybe just me, but if one looks at the recent couple years it has been overwhelmingly clear to me that Think Secret has been right much more frequently than anyone else out there. It is also apparent to me at least that there is something more than just a leak which feeds Think Secret. I think that Apple is releasing the specs about the new iMac via this venue first to get feedback and get ready for the Paris keynote. It was very clear with the last even and the Tiger photos when Macrumors was forced by Apple Legal but Think Secret never was. Wonder why? So for those in the know at Cupertino, Aside from Matt Rothenbergh who is the real Think Secret staff? 😎
 
newamiga said:
Maybe just me, but if one looks at the recent couple years it has been overwhelmingly clear to me that Think Secret has been right much more frequently than anyone else out there. It is also apparent to me at least that there is something more than just a leak which feeds Think Secret. I think that Apple is releasing the specs about the new iMac via this venue first to get feedback and get ready for the Paris keynote. It was very clear with the last even and the Tiger photos when Macrumors was forced by Apple Legal but Think Secret never was. Wonder why? So for those in the know at Cupertino, Aside from Matt Rothenbergh who is the real Think Secret staff? 😎
of course i have no proof but i don't know if i could consider that a possibilty. apple is very secretive and i don't think they would do this. plus think secret also reports all the documents that show apple as the bad guy in terms of cheating other resellers, i doubt that makes them happy.

iJon
 
HyperX said:
I declare this rumor FALSE

1) Price Range of 1300 - 2200... current range started at 1000$ How can an insider just forget there WAS a 15" and that is the starting point.

2) MX4 in education model. Total crap. Since it would be the ONLY COMPUTER IN APPLES LINEUP WITH THAT SHIPSET! Bulk purchasing. There would not be enough saving without bulk purchasing to NOT go with the SAME VIDEO CARD IN THE EDU MODEL! This is simple logic! Apple probably pays like 20$ a chipset for the 5200.. I dont think they would get any cheaper with the MX4. ALSO they would not put a better CARD in the Emac then they do the Imac. The Imac would not get LESS then a 9200! I am Sure they are getting 9600's with the high end seeing 9800 pro as a BTO option! <Sorry no 6800>

3) Harddrives. Apple would go with an 80 gig SATA at the SMALLEST in the Imac. It wouldn't make ANY sence to do it otherwise. Apple would save.. 2 or 3$? to go with 40 gig. They WONT do it! I doubt anyone makes enough 40 gigs to make it worth the bulk pricing.

4) The logic chipset WILL be the same as the 1.6, 1.8 SP in the Powermacs. Just shrunk down. Like PC's intel developes 1 or 2 chipsets. <865, 875>. Apple wouldn't spend alot of money to develop a whole new logic design. They would shrink what they currently have. Why take a step back? Expect it to be similar to the SP 1.6 in speed and performance. Bluetooth, Airport, ect..

5) Bluetooth WILL be at least an option. Apple is pushing syncing and bluetooth HARD! It's in EVERY other line <save emac>. I am 99.9% sure it will be standard in Imac <and its silly it costs 50$ on the powermacs>. Remember One of Tiger's big THINGS is no more Isync, as Syncing is BUILT into the OS!

6) Ram... I can believe 256 meg ram. But 2 gig max? I am pretty sure they will go 4 gig. Once again, the shipset thing. Apple could do 2 gig... it's not as sure as my other point's. Just doesn't make any sence to limit it when there is no need.

7) Last point. Why do you think apple went DP in the powermac line, so they can make a kickass imac and then not worry about it competing with the pro line. There is a need for a killer middle line! They need to wow people. They missed the back to school season. They know they need to come out with something that's good on the eye and has ball's.

The rumor from Thinksecret is totally off base. Beside's it's been a while since they have made a mistake. THEY ARE DUE! We all know it. I think this is thier mistake time!

Also THEY WILL NOT MAKE A HEADLESS IMAC! So stop asking. They know people who buy Imac's keep them for 3 years or more. <Most people not ALL people>. So they figure you will want a bigger and better monitor too. More money for them selves! This is a computer for the home user and college student. This is there market. They had a headless Imac, it's called the powermac. Get use to it! No more headless Imac rumors ok! I am willing to bet a kidney and 1/2 a liver... hell toss in a lung, THAT they will not in the NEAR future release a such a silly thing. If you want a 1000$ Headless Imac, get a G4 1.25 and stop crying!

LASTLEY, gaming is an important thing to MAC's. Apple wants a larger market share. Why shoot themselves in the foot. Especially with CORE coming out they know they need to put in better video cards. It's stupid to think the average JOE only wants to play GTA on they PS2. They will see PC games, hear there pc buddies and have buyers remorce. Besides what do you think college student so when not downloading porn, MP3's, and Telesync movies in the theaters? Apple will make <a half hearted> effort to ensure that machines can play at least modern <read not future> games. 5200 doesn't make sence and they know it. Since they are putting 64 megs in the Powerbook 12" and look at the 15.2 and 17" 128 meg 9700... It's obvious the direction they are heading! If apple TRUELY believed noone gamed and graphics were NOT important to the AVERAGE joe, you would see Imac, Emac, and Ibook with INTEGRATED graphics. That gives them the BIGGEST savings <no need for video ram>. They have not done it, they wont do it. So we know that graphics are important. Even if it's not JUST for games!

Ok I said my piece GOODNIGHT ;P


quoted for emphasis.
 
nagromme said:
I think a LOT of people have little use for a top-end GPU, and no need for more than 40 GB HD.

How can you say this? The iPod comes with either a 20GB or 40GB hard drive. If Apple intends the be making the computer that support these ipods then they need to ensure that the hardrive supplies the user with 40GB above what they would need without a music collection. In other words, 80GB should be a minimum.
 
stuepfnick said:
That's big crap! The Dual 2.0 GHZ G5 has about the Performance of a DUAL 3.06 Ghz Xeon Workstation... and that for a cheaper price...

Also the Dual 2.5 Ghz has about the performance of a Dual 3.6 Ghz Xeon machine... and again it's cheaper...

In some points performance is even a lot better, in some cases a little slower. But Mac software is now just optimized for G4s... until it's G5 optimized it will take some time again... and then this machines will leave the Xeon workstation even more far behind.

But for craphics cards you are right... they are crap in the G5 (for that price!), but there's BTO and the possibility to change them (gladly)

But the iMac really needs AT LEAST a Radeon 9600XT with 128 MB in the mid range-high end models, or BTO or a changeable card.
I guess these iMacs will be about the 3 Ghz P4 performance... and you get it with big and expensive screen.... but it absolutely needs a better GFX card!!!!

I have to agree with you. In my mind the best deal
from Apple is the top line G5 and It will also only get better when everything is running at 64bit. A good investment if you ask me.

Frump.
 
Here's what I see for new Imacs.. Anything Less is crap 😛

Good

17" Screen WS
1.6ghz G5
256 Megs of Ram (PC 3200 PC 3200 Upgradable to 4 Gigs via 4 slots)
80 Gig SATA HD (120,160 optional)
64 Meg ATI 9200
Combo Drive
3 USB 2.0 Ports
2 Firewire 400
1 Firewire 800
Bluetooth
Airport Optional
Standard Fair of Apple Consumer Apps ;P

Price 1099-1199$ (Depends on how hungry apple is)

Better

17" Screen WS
1.8ghz G5
256 Megs of Ram (PC 3200 PC 3200 Upgradable to 4 Gigs via 4 slots)
120 Gig SATA HD (160 optional)
128 Meg ATI 9600
8x Superdrive (No DL sorry)
3 USB 2.0 Ports
2 Firewire 400
1 Firewire 800
Bluetooth
Airport Optional
Standard Fair of Apple Consumer Apps ;P

Price 1499-1599$ (Depends on how hungry apple is)

Best

20" Screen WS
1.8 Ghz G5
512 Megs of Ram (PC 3200 Upgradable to 4 Gigs via 4 slots)
160 gig SATA HD
128 Meg ATI 9600 (9800 Pro option for 199$)
8x Superdrive (No DL sorry)
3 USB 2.0 Ports
2 Firewire 400
1 Firewire 800
Bluetooth
Airport Optional (not standard folks ;P)
Standard Fair of Apple Consumer Apps ;P

Price 1999-2099$ (Depending on hoq hungry apple is)

EDUCATIONAL (For all you who THINK they will make this but I doubt it given I can even WITHOUT an optical drive bring in a 1 gig USB 2.0 Key and upload all the DMG files I want, You need the USB for Keyboard and mouse so unless they remove all firewire and only have 2 USB port for keyboard and mouse and eliminate and USB on the keyboard.. its MOOT)

17" Screen WS
1.6 Ghz G5
256 Megs of Ram (PC 3200 Upgradable to 4 Gigs via 4 slots)
80 gig SATA HD
64 Mef Geforce 5200
3 USB 2.0 Ports
2 Firewire 400
1 Firewire 800
No Optical Drive
No Bluetooth
Standard Fair of Apple Consumer Apps ;P

Price 999$ (Educational Price ONLY! Not avalible to Students. MUST be in 10 pack)
 
My Pricing ALSO takes into account that I think apple will start with HIGHER prices. Then come november.. Before a Refresh in the line.. They will drop prices for the Xmas Season around 100-200$ across the Imac line. The Goal is to get the Entery Level Imac as close to 1000$.

1000$ IS the BREAD AND BUTTER price point. You can double or TRIPPLE the units sold if you can get to that cheap. Just look at the Emac! People see a complete system with GOOD specs <people looking at a mac in the first place are not as dumb as people looking for a sub 500$ package with rebates keep in mind> and LCD widescreen, they will have the credit card out in a FLASH! Especially if they can get Apple or Compusa Credit (which I cannot... I mean I only owe like 25,000 in rolling debt.. I can handle more HONOST!)

Steve is not stupid... unless Think Secret is true. Then I will blame the cancer ;P (I am going to get flamed for that!!!!!)
 
mata said:
Speaking as a teacher, the absence of an optical drive will be a major problem. How are we supposed to put software on the machines? Unlike many corporations, our machines are not all networked; in fact, my school only got all of it's computers attached to the *internet* last year. Teachers also have software they have purchased for their specific classes.

I don't see many schools buying these. Without at list a cd-rom drive, they're completely unusable. (And this assumes that there isn't academic material which is provided on DVDs, an invalid assumption as it happens.) The lack of an optical drive actually discriminates against poor schools, and schools in rural areas which have difficulty obtaining broadband service, and cannot afford T1 lines. Apple really needs to rethink this.

Speaking as a long time worker, and newly named director, of information technology for an entire school district, I respectfully disagree. Having the option of buying a computer without an optical drive is fantastic! These are not the computers that I will be putting into the secretaries office, or be putting in the english office. However, these machines are perfect for computer labs, and for student use in general.

First, this will save us a lot of money, because it is cheaper to buy a computer without an optical drive. Multiply that by 30 per lab, and the savings really add up.

Second, this will cut down on our work in repairing the physical damage, and complete destruction of the OS by curious students. Last year alone, we had to spend over a thousand dollars to replace crappy optical drives in a dell lab because students broke them!

Third, this will justify my new system of having every student buy a $30 USB keychain (subsidized a bit by our budget), and buying a handful of DVD burners to be used a la carte when needed. This will allow us to move forward from the old days of dolling out thousands of floppies, and cd's for kids to just waste.

Fourth, this is great because now teachers can't put software on their own machines! In all seriousness, teachers (save a handful) don't know what they are doing, and usually mess up their whole machine that costs me an hour of my time to fix. By allowing only me to install software, this gives me much more control, and will actually improve my workflow, and as a result the teacher's too.

Fifth, this is actually great for poor schools, and actually makes the computers more useable. If a school is 'poor', then buying 5 external optical drives for the whole school and using them only when needed actually is cheaper then buying optical drives for each machine. It also cuts down on costs to maintain the computer both in new parts, and in labor.

Finally, as I said earlier, this isn't being forced down every school's throat. Apple to begin with is one competitor among many. Then, this having no optical drive is only an option! If you need an optical drive, then you can get one. If it is better for you to not have an optical drive, then you now have that option. This is a great move on apple's part, and your fears, compliants, and down right condemnation of this are the exact reason that IT departments run and buy the computers, and teachers don't.

--Waluigi
 
CoreImage and GPUs

Have read a lot of this thread but not all. 🙄

The rumored graphics card is probably off base considering Tiger's new CoreImage package will emphasize using the graphics chip to improve performance, rather than CPU speed (the industry-wide problem of heat and chip yield at small fabrication sizes are slowing progress on that front).

My opinion is that Apple will ship the fastest GPU available at the best cost-benefit price. I doubt they will cripple a new product's ability to use Tiger. A better graphics card will allow using 1.6 or 1.8 G5's, and still obtain great performance.

Just my 2cents
 
mac512pbg4 said:
Have read a lot of this thread but not all. 🙄

The rumored graphics card is probably off base considering Tiger's new CoreImage package will emphasize using the graphics chip to improve performance, rather than CPU speed (the industry-wide problem of heat and chip yield at small fabrication sizes are slowing progress on that front).

My opinion is that Apple will ship the fastest GPU available at the best cost-benefit price. I doubt they will cripple a new product's ability to use Tiger. A better graphics card will allow using 1.6 or 1.8 G5's, and still obtain great performance.

Just my 2cents

Sound reasoning me thinks. Here's hoping.
 
Trimix said:
here is to every TEENager who is about 24. cheers
sorry i could not resist 😀

Sorry I know I'm a few pages late with this comment BUT the answer to your question is:

Michael J Fox in back to the future! Hes not quite a high school kid is he?

That w*%k§r Dawson from Dawsons Creek, yeah right hes a teenager hes like 27!

and I'm sure there are others but I'm in the middle of breakfast!
 
Changing my mind

I've been waiting (and saving)with some anticipation for the next iMac. With a modest income it's going to be a big expense. I'm using an iMac (LCD) 700MHz at the moment.

But if these specs. are right .. I don't know... Why should I keep having to buy a new display locked into an inadequate graphics card? I'm not a fanatical (but an occasional) gamer.

If a topless 'iMac' doesn't come along, then I'm going to save up for the 'cheaper' Power Mac with the best graphics card.

That means waiting another year! (A Windows PC is an unspeakable obscenity for me.)

Are you going to do this to me Apple?
 
el greenerino said:
I'm worried that the G5 iMac won't be as distinctive as the past iMacs. Apple's designs are losing their wow factor.

Not to mention the specs are lame for a $1300 computer.

I disagree. The photos of the machines don't have the wow factor because the wow isn't isn't the shape of the machines. They're still wonderful, but now it is because of the simplicity of the aesthetic design and the incredible build quality.

When you see these machines in the flesh, there is certainly a WOW factor.
 
Not the iOpener, anyway... tablets, maybe?

I'm surprised that in 19 pages of comments thus far, nobody has brought up the iOpener (heh, and it even has the little 'i' in front), that 'revolutionary' iAppliance that was basically an 800x600 LCD on a stand with a motherboard on the back, a USB port for the keyboard (which had a Pizza key instead of a Windows key... rawk!), a 56k modem, no HD (16 MB sandisk... etc)...

Yes, I bought one of these, and hacked it, adding a laptop HD, fan, RAM, better processor, win98, etc. Originally I had it in the passenger seat of my car, to be my own 12 GB mp3 jukebox... and planned to mount it to the dash. Then the iPod 20GB's came out, so I got one of those instead. The radio shack A/C vane mount is genius. 🙂

The iOpener was a crappy concept (sell hardware at a loss, try to lock people into a subscription, and roll your own QNX-based OS to deliver the 'dumbed down' internet to people). That's why they failed. But what is more important to me here is that the form factor is not as good as the LCD iMac's currently is, with its swivel neck.

I can't help but think that Apple would recognize that (nor would they invent something that looked just like another one of their product lines, e.g. the new LCD monitors, because it would confuse people). So to the guy who has the .Mac slide show with the iMac G5 mock-up: Sorry, I don't buy it. And I have already seen other manufacturers with their conceptual models and DVDs sticking out of the side. Would Apple really go there? (Again? ... plenty of people DID mention the 20th anniversary mac.) I saw the Sony VAIO W700G, and I can see where people are coming from -- but I'd hope Apple's version could come apart. Tablets! In my mind, the only thing that could improve on the swivel neck form factor (you know -- a great way to collaborate and share ideas with another person) would be if you could plop the display+ IO device in their lap.

Now: I found my way to this thread while trying to find out if digital pens (Anoto, bluetooth, etc) worked with OS X and Ink. Doesn't appear so. I'll keep praying. But I was intrigued by the possibility that the new iMac G5 could be a tablet, because then I'd buy one.

Think about it. Little rumors here and there, past few months. Now, I believe that wireless video is nearly impossible, present day and age. State of the art appears to be wifi-uploading images (a la static powerpoint slides) to a projector. 5-wire cable (RGBHV) is thick for a reason. VGA cables (not to mention DVI.. yeesh) aren't that long and have a LOT of wires in them... becase they carry a LOT of data to that monitor.

Think about it: 30fps full screen video wirelessly? One heck of a codec. But there was a rumor about some very high bandwidth short-distance network technology that Apple was supposedly investigating. I'd be SO happy to be proven wrong about wireless video. It sounds like Ultra-Wideband technology being discussed could maybe handle this.

That would let you take something like the wacom Cintiq (1024x768 color LCD under the tablet) and make it the detachable screen, with Ink as the input technology, or a remote control, photo picture frame to pass around, whatever. Personally I'd just about cream myself if the form factor were exactly the same as the iMac LCD, except the LCD lifted right off the swivel arm. Make for a hell of a product demo. Maybe they'd get Steve one of those iBOT 3000 wheelchairs (you know, stands upright, Dean Kamen, Segway, etc... and starts with a small 'i'! Ooh) to demo it with... Man, it's after 5 am where I live. Can you tell?

I like this guy and his tablet rant to Steve.

I mentioned Bluetooth earlier -- I love it, I even switched carriers just so I could get a GSM nokia with bluetooth. Now, granted, I hate my 3650, but that's just because I couldn't wait for the 6600's. Point is: Even my antiquated handspring prism has a bluetooth springboard card. And iSync ties it all together. (By the way, Yes, even the eMac line has bluetooth now, I've got a 1.25 ghz with it.) This thing has to have it.

So: my wishlist is for something that is the size of an Apple ][c or smaller, (You "Switch"ed on what date? I never left...), the key being the convenient carry-handle and the stunning 1 Mhz clock speed^h^h^h^h (skip that last bit.. but obviously, if it has a G5, it'll smoke), and maybe the counterbalanced swing-arm could fold right into the body; this lets your optical drive lay flat, that probably is indeed a factor... with a detachable tablet component, pen or touch screen (this is my dream, back off) with optional plug-in or bluetooth mouse/keyboard/etc.

If Apple recently quietly play-tested a PDA, I hope they only killed it because they realized how much cooler a tablet could be. And like someone said earlier: Apple has indeed taken some things that had been done before, and done them better. But they're also pretty notorious for adopting new technologies that hadn't yet caught on (you know... like USB? Personal Laser Printers? DVI? Wifi?) and then you watch the rest of the industry scramble to catch up. I just hope that they're about to jump-start the tablet market, with wide-band. I'm disappointed that I don't see them mentioned in this article. Sounds like there's a lot of potential but also a lot of politics.

And to think, I was just hoping to find an electronic pad and paper I could use to zap my notes over to my powerbook, so I'd stop losing my (actual) Stickies... to me it's all about Ubiquitous computing. The powerbook is pretty good, but in some cases pen & paper are that still better...
 
other follow ups

("Man, his second post? He has more to say? Does this guy shut up?" I trimmed this stuff out of my first post, above, because it wasn't as relevant to my tablet pipe dream... just some responses to other things I've seen in this thread.)

I may not be a benchmark nerd (I'm more of a gadget guy myself), but I can tell you that I'm able to use a 1Ghz G4 eMac to edit full motion video with Final Cut Express. So part of me thinks that anything else is overkill, or you ought to just get a powermac. However, I tend to load machines up with as much ram as possible, or at least never buy anything smaller than the largest DIMM that can fill a slot, etc.

I got my parents a 17" iMac LCD for christmas two years ago. That should last them for a few years. They don't do rocket science. It does what they need, and more importantly: it stops them from fscking calling me for computer help, because it just works. So it's paid for itself many times over already.

If I didn't need a laptop, I'd buy a powermac G5, just so I could control exactly what was going into it. So I tend to gloss over any time I see anyone complaining about video cards. Apple's not stupid. They'll put what they see as a suitable graphics card into a machine aimed for the iMac's target market. You want bleeding edge? Spend the money or shut up.

I can't help but respond to most people's complaints about 'education' models: Will you even be able to buy one? Probably not! Drop it. And it's called 'netboot'. "No optical drive? Holy Crap! How will we install software!?" YOU won't, your sysadmin will. Hopefully they're a BOFH and 'solar flares' will erase your homedir, too. To the one lady whose school doesn't have a network yet: You can't afford a few $20 hubs, some cat5 and a crimper, and you think you can buy new machines? Shush.

And finally, for no apparent reason:
iPods: I don't buy for a minute that there won't be something in that $500 slot relatively soon. As soon as there were three models, it stayed that way (300,400,500) for a good long time. Anything 60+ GB comes out, I'm so there. Wish the 'home dir on iPod' concept had caught on, too. I am also intrigued by the Time magazine mention of 'a total interior redesign' and 'new features yet to be announced.' Me? I want an RFID tag reader attachment. But that's a topic for another post. 🙂

Okay, done.
 
must been sweet dream~

Object-X said:
What if the iMac's monitor could be detached? As I was thinking about why they would not sell a standalone 17" cinema, it occurred to me that the new monitor line can be mounted on a wall...like a TV. Could this new design allow for essentially the same thing? The monitor comes off and the pizza box case can be discretely placed out of the way. Perhaps they will finally come out with a headless mac. I can't believe that Apple would replace the eMac at $800 with an iMac at $1,300; the only advantage of that would be the ability to purchase the iMac without the monitor at $800. I know it's a longshot but I just woke up and it came to me in a dream. 🙄
🙂

i still believe that it's gonna be a headless iMac!
and at least Radeon 9200 minimum, expandable AGP, DVI connection.
and of course priced under $750 US. that's a must!!!
 
all-in-one

Hello!

It would be really great, if it is similar to a today's iMac housing, just with the possibility to exchange craphics cards (like in the cube) and unmount the screen, and change it. So the iMac has a DVI out, and the screen a DVI-in, so you are more flexible.
It could be brushed metal instead of white plastic to show the G5 working in there.

And for the Specs:
A GeForce FX5200 Ultra with 64 MB of DDR memory is more likely than a Radeon 9200 with 64 MB. And it would be better to the user.
Remember the Core Image/Video and Motion Specs? It runs on a GF FX5200Ultra, but NOT on a Radeon 9200.

But this GFX Board should just be the entry level!! It should be 9600XT with 128 and 9800XT with 256MB (at least BTO).
I will buy this, if it has one of this cards and/or BTO and a changable GFX card.

And the 1.6 and 1.8 Ghz G5 should be pretty fast. Just remember Cinebench on the Dual G5s....

The Dual 2.5 has a CPU Cinebench rating of 633 which is the theoretical speed of Pentium 4 with 6.3 GHZ!!!

The Dual 1.8 has a Cinebench of 450, which is equal to a 4.5 Ghz P4. Now think of 40% less and it's still very fast! (how's cinebench of single 1.8 G5??)

Mac OS X is very optimized and in some times the speed on G5s will even increase!
The Dual G5 Towers are extremely powerful machines for a good price (and a bad GFX board), but it's overkill for most home-users.
A single G5 with a changeable GFX board (and maybe screen) would be great for the consumer line and increase sales! It's stupid to hook up everything fixed to an all-in-one design and that even for such a high price. If it doesn't get a decent graphics card (or a changeable) I won't buy. I think then I'll contunie to save for a G5 (with Radeon XT or GeForce 6800) and stay with an old CRT.

Apple needs a Single G5 for a good price without a screen and with changeable parts (at least GFX board - the rest already is)

And again for the no optical drive option for educational market: I think this is a good step. So more iMacs can go intos schools. It is more save to schools, so no one can install stuff and do illegal stuff on the machines. Installing only from admins over the network and/or external drives is just fine. And it saves money. Of course some schools may need an optical drive, so they buy it... so what?

My hopes for the specs:

Edu:
1.6 Ghz G5
17" screen (detachable?)
Nvidia GeForce FX5200Ultra 32 MB (changeable)
256 RAM
40 GB HD
BTO optical drive
BTO Airport & Bluetooth
$ 999,-

Entry:
1.6 Ghz G5
17" screen (detachable?)
Nvidia GeForce FX5200Ultra 64 MB (changeable)
256 RAM
80 GB HD
Combo-drive
BTO Airport & Bluetooth
$ 1199,-

Mid-range:
1.8 Ghz G5
17" Screen (detachable?)
ATI Radeon XT 9600 128 MB (changeable) - BTO: Radeon 9800 XT 256 MB
256 MB RAM
120 GB HD
Superdrive
BTO Airport and Bluetooth
$ 1499,-

High-End:
1.8 Ghz G5
20" Screen (detachable?)
ATI Radeon XT 9600 128 MB (changeable) BTO: Radeon 9800 XT 256MB
512 MB RAM
160 GB HD
Superdrive
BTO Airport and Bluetooth
$ 1999,-
 
It's so sad to think what these specs from Think Secret actually mean for the nifty little iMac. I understand why Mac would want their best selling computer to keep it's original all-in-one design, but times change. I would have thought that Steve would grasp this concept. In today's times, computers become obsolete so quickly and even peecee's can be upgraded. I don't understand, from a design standpoint, why it would be so difficult to actually make the imac in two parts. this way, you could custome configure it to whatever your needs. You have the monitor and you have the base (think mini-tower - not necessarily a cube, but something similar). Perhaps they could be made to "attach" to one another - thereby solving the desk-theft problem and making confiuration something interesting. I just think they should stop trying to make an all-in-one.....

As some of you have mentioned, perhaps these "specs" were released to see what the public thought of them. I agree with most everyone that they are totally bogus and many of them are already obsolete. So, if Steve wants to doom his newest creation from the start, then so be it. I for one, think he's smarter than that and will try to make the iMac a truly revolutionary designed computer.

I also agree with these postings that an LCD iMac for education is not a smart move. If apple really wants to remain the best choice for K-12 education, they need to continue with an eMac based computer, at least for a while. Students are tough and not very considerate - when it comes to expensive items that are there for them to use - i think an LCD is a BAD mistake.

In general, i've been happy (cept for the new displays) with Apple's new releases over the past few years. From a design standpoint they know exactly what will knock the socks off of peecee owners. Their attention to detail is superb and they simply know how to make logical, user-friendly items that everyone desires. I can only hope that the new iMac continues the forward-thinking genius that radiates from all things apple....
 
I'm ok with the general specs save two things.

1) The listed Video cards (yeeeeech)
2) That it 'looks like this sony whats-its-model'

Apple iMac's haven't ever looked like something else since they came out that I remember, can't see them starting to copy folks now...

And those video cards, good night. Some of us like to play a few games now and then. I mean I don't want Doom 3 in 1920x1200 at 80 fps but I'd like more than 3 or 4 fps.
 
For the LAST TIME!

There will be NO HEADLESS IMAC!

No DETACHABLE SCREEN!

Please stop hoping or saying apple will do it.

The guy who hoped for a 750$ headless Imac with AGP... please put your crackpipe DOWN! It's bad for you health, rots the brain!

It's a poor buisness modle and maybe you should go take some buisness classes at your local community college. Apple wants to sell powermacs and will not do ANYTHING to cut into that market. A headless Imac would. So please... please stop guessing it. You want a 1000$ Mac with no screen? Buy a G4 1.25 or Refurb G5 1.6.... PLEASE just stop...

The headless Imac crap is hurting my brain!
 
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