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G6!!

James Philp said:
The processor cycles are contiuing, maybe the rate has decreased a bit but remember:
The G5 is now appearing in lower end models like iMacs, and the G4 is in low-end laptops (iBook).
It's not completely out of the question in that Apple are starting to consider the G6!? (Is it?)

What I mean by this is a different generation of chips.

With concerns to portability, if I were Steve Jobs, id be thinking now of a whole new range of processors, call them G5p's, that wouldn't be G5's but a different type of Processor that would be that much better than the current G4's.

At this stage last time (G3 in iBook, G4 in iMac, Dual G4 in PowerMac) Apple released the G5 - remember?!
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But there is still G4's in the high end laptops as well ;)
 
lets worry about if apple can get dual core into the next powermac's first o and maybe that 3ghz thing as well i think that all the R&D thats gone into the current G5's will be around for a few years yet so maybe G6 is looking ahead maybe 5-7 years ! unless you have a few million to donate to apple/ibm for them to speed up the R&D of it that is .
 
the G5 has not even reached the 3ghz mark yet. its not going anywhere for at least a couple years. always wanting a newer/faster system is a sickness so do yourself a favor and just be happy with what you have. a ram upgrade is always a great upgrade. give yourself one.
 
zen.state said:
the G5 has not even reached the 3ghz mark yet. its not going anywhere for at least a couple years. always wanting a newer/faster system is a sickness so do yourself a favor and just be happy with what you have. a ram upgrade is always a great upgrade. give yourself one.
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Wish I could. But the speediest system I have is an iMac G4, and all the RAM slots are filled up. Still undr applecare, so not going to open it up to get the extra 256MB (which is all I could get!)
The point I was trying to make was that the Mac range are now in a similar state that they were when the G5 was introduced (i.e. flagship processor seems to have difficulty speeding up) and what with G4 in the iBook, and G5 in the iMac (remember when G4 iMac came out - the top Power Mac was still a Dual G4!?).
I wasn't AT ALL saying I really wanted a newer/faster system, if I really had that "sickness" don't you think I would already own a G5?
I find your post somewhat offensive, and not at all applicable to what I was trying to point out in my original post. Try actually reading the posts!
 
To answer an earlier post, Regarding apple buying processors from other companies, Yes they do.

Technically apple does buy processors from more then just IBM and Freescale (motorola).

ARM7TDMI dual 80 Mhz
ARM 32-bit RISC Processor for Ipod Mini, Click Wheel, and Photo

ARM7TDMI Dual 90 MHZ
ARM 32-bit RISC processor for the previous Dock model, and original Ipod.

Granted it is doubtful that ARM would start to supply processors for the Powermacs, Powerbooks, Ibooks, and Imac line, but there is an established business relationship with the two companies at this point.

On a Side note, the ARM9 Processor that is in the Sony PSP is of the same family as the ARM7TDMI that is installed in our beloved Ipod systems. That shows some of the potential of the ARM processors in Small Electronics.
 
James Philp said:
Wish I could. But the speediest system I have is an iMac G4, and all the RAM slots are filled up. Still undr applecare, so not going to open it up to get the extra 256MB (which is all I could get!)
The point I was trying to make was that the Mac range are now in a similar state that they were when the G5 was introduced (i.e. flagship processor seems to have difficulty speeding up) and what with G4 in the iBook, and G5 in the iMac (remember when G4 iMac came out - the top Power Mac was still a Dual G4!?).
I wasn't AT ALL saying I really wanted a newer/faster system, if I really had that "sickness" don't you think I would already own a G5?
I find your post somewhat offensive, and not at all applicable to what I was trying to point out in my original post. Try actually reading the posts!
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How do we know the capabilities of the G5 at this point? Since we don't know for sure what processor is in the next Powermac revision, at this point saying the line is in a upgrade freeze because of limitations of IBM is almost foolish.

Remember, Apple says itself that we shouldn't get caught up in the MHZ myth. If the Next generation of the G5 is Dual core, the The Speed of each core will be important, yes. But the speed of which each core can communicate with each-other, and the system bus, will be equally important in determining the overall speed of the next step in the G5 series.

I do understand that Intel and AMD have faster clocks, and such, but the current 2.5 GHZ clocked G5 is still relatively competitive with AMD and Intel 3 and 4 GHZ processors.

I am not 100% sure, but isn't the new AMD chip still X96 based with only RISC operations, and not a full featured RISC processor? Anyway RISC does wonders and the 970MP is a full RISC chip, at-least how I understand it.
 
what are you smokin

James Philp said:
The processor cycles are contiuing, maybe the rate has decreased a bit but remember:
The G5 is now appearing in lower end models like iMacs, and the G4 is in low-end laptops (iBook).
It's not completely out of the question in that Apple are starting to consider the G6!? (Is it?)

What I mean by this is a different generation of chips.

With concerns to portability, if I were Steve Jobs, id be thinking now of a whole new range of processors, call them G5p's, that wouldn't be G5's but a different type of Processor that would be that much better than the current G4's.

At this stage last time (G3 in iBook, G4 in iMac, Dual G4 in PowerMac) Apple released the G5 - remember?!
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G5 has only begun its lifespan, sure its been around a few years, but it can still get worked up. besides, i dont wanna see a g6 cell processor any time soon?
 
840quadra said:
How do we know the capabilities of the G5 at this point? Since we don't know for sure what processor is in the next Powermac revision, at this point saying the line is in a upgrade freeze because of limitations of IBM is almost foolish.
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Well, I know Mr. Jobs promised us all 3GHz buy the end of last year, and we are still at 2.5, so if that isn't "have difficulty speeding up" I'm not really sure what is!? - It seems obvious to me that IBM are having difficulty with the G5, no?
 
I wonder if part of the reason we've not seen a 3.0GHz G5 yet is the incredible heat that the processor generates? Perhaps liquid cooling and 30 fans blasting away isn't enough?
 
yellow said:
I wonder if part of the reason we've not seen a 3.0GHz G5 yet is the incredible heat that the processor generates? Perhaps liquid cooling and 30 fans blasting away isn't enough?
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I think they require Dry Ice and Apple is looking for a way not to have the user need to resupply every month or so. Maybe once a year. :cool:
 
James Philp said:
Well, I know Mr. Jobs promised us all 3GHz buy the end of last year, and we are still at 2.5, so if that isn't "have difficulty speeding up" I'm not really sure what is!? - It seems obvious to me that IBM are having difficulty with the G5, no?
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I think what Yellow has to say has allot of merit, I have no doubts that IBM has the ability to create a 3.0 GHZ model, I speculate that heat is the biggest battle with faster G5 Processors, not limitations of what speeds they can reach.

Apple has to keep up with the battle of Noise / Speed that Intel boxes have to deal with in the Xenon range. Most systems / servers with Xenon processors running 3+ GHZ are freaking loud. Apple users complain about loud systems (IE MDD, and G5's when they are in Panic mode).

I can imagine even with Liquid cooling, anything faster then 2.5 GHZ will require faster spinning fans, and thus create more unwanted noise.

Avoiding getting "offensive", neither you or I are qualified to say that IBM and Apple are having problems speeding up the G5 processors. In your opinion Apple is having issues with speeding up the G5, I respect your opinion. I personally think the battle is is more with BTU's as opposed to MHZ.
 
yellow said:
I wonder if part of the reason we've not seen a 3.0GHz G5 yet is the incredible heat that the processor generates? Perhaps liquid cooling and 30 fans blasting away isn't enough?
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I've heared the new one will come in it's own anti-condesation fridge! You can open the door, get a soda, and put your cd in at the same time!

So you're saying the G5 3GHz is ready, but apple can't find a way of realistically using it...?

A bit of history;
G3 ~ 1997 (as far as I can tell!?)
G4 - 31st Aug 1999
G5 - 31st Aug 2003
So that is 2 in 6 years right? Or 1 every 3 years?
I know this kind of analysis is CRAP! - I know!
Yes I agree the G5 has a life left, but that doesn't stop me thinking further ahead!
To quote the original thread:
"It's not completely out of the question in that Apple are starting to consider the G6!?"
Note - starting to consider. Big computer corporations look years if not decades ahead at times I'm sure!
 
psycho bob said:
The Cell model that was introduced at the IBM announcement was effectively made up of two parts a Processing Unit (PU) and Attached Processing Units (APU) the latter are effectively what make up the Cells. The PU is rumoured to be based on a current 64bit IBM chip, whether this is 970 or POWER based does not really matter. The PU simply acts as a controller distributing software data to the APU's.
Th APU's are not coprocessors each one is fully independant. They are designed to process Vector instructions. The programming issues with the Cell are primarily due to the lack of cache and virtual memory which means they operate in a different way but they still work and the performance gains if the effort is taken are huge.
The ideal option for apple would be to adopt the Cell as a coprocessor to say a G5 thus giving them the best of both worlds. Tiger already has visual OS elements being passed off to the GPU these could easily be passed of onto a Cell instead. GUI processing would just be the first step but would bring something new and exciting to the mac platform. It would also mean that with the right programming and marketing apple would genuinely have a system that for Vector processing would be unsurpassed.
There was an interesting article about an American company that is designing software to enable the GPU to handle audio processing and that is with current OS's and hardware. CPU's just cannot match the raw power of GPU's. In raw GFlop terms the NVIDIA 6800 produces around 40 as opposed to a single core P4 using SSE instructions comes in at under 10. GPU's and the Cell work in very similar ways, it was after all designed primarily for graphics work.
The technology is out there and will be adopted by someone. So while I admit it will be hard the gains are obvious. The PS3 will use Cells to process data and although limited compared to the tasks a computer might do the games will have to be designed and the programming will need to take place and all by the end of the year.
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Doesn't APU stand for Arithmetic Processing Unit?
 
James Philp said:
I find your post somewhat offensive, and not at all applicable to what I was trying to point out in my original post. Try actually reading the posts!
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I meant no offense. on mac forums you see a lot of people always wanting the newest whatever mac and it takes away from what they could get out of what they already have. I was simply encouraging you to enjoy your current mac.

sorry for any misunderstanding
 
MacTruck said:
I thought it meant "Adios Panther User".

HELLOOO TIGER! And just to celebrate the new release of tiger check out this sweet shot from, yep you guessed it TIGER WOODS!]
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I really dislike golf, but mainly i really dislike links to Windows Media Files! - Eugh how corperate!
What does this have to go with the G6?

BTW the 10.3.9 uprade is avaliable, and rumors are that there is a lot of support for new hardware to be imminently released!? (It is 50 odd MB).
If it is the G6 you guys are gonna be hiding your faces! :D :eek:
 
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