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Galaxy S4
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KentuckyHouse
macrumors 68030
This is another great point. I'd forgotten about the slight-of-hand Samsung used ahead of the S3 introduction and really there's no reason to think they haven't done the same thing again.
But if this IS the S4, I'm ok with that. I've got the S3 and I'll be picking one of these up as soon as it's available to buy off-contract.
LOL...now that you say that, I'm betting there are corners of all the carrier's offices where people are saying and thinking that exact same thing. They've probably already got it mocked up and ready to go. 😀
daveathall
macrumors 68020
If I was to stay up tonight I would be watching the New Zealand v England test match, I would have one eye on my MBP though. 😀
Wicked1
macrumors 68040
Dude you heard the Note 3 is going to have like a 6.3" or 6.5" screen? I have the Note II and my hands are big, and I am basically the biggest I can go without needed a backpack to carry it?
KentuckyHouse
macrumors 68030
The revised rumors are suggesting 5.9". Either way, though, you're right. That's getting a little large for everyday carry...lol.
Love em or hate em Samsung is competing with great products.
This in turn forces Apple out of any complacency and into a competitive stance they may not have otherwise been forced into.
Everyone wins & the consumer is rewarded with great choices. 😀
This in turn forces Apple out of any complacency and into a competitive stance they may not have otherwise been forced into.
Everyone wins & the consumer is rewarded with great choices. 😀
The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
The extra features are just so cool.. Even the little ones. Wish apple would add something similar..
Kariya
macrumors 68000
Thing is Samsung made fun of Apple for doing exactly that. They then go and follow suit. The hypocrisy is comical.
Personally i would never buy a Samsung phone. The plastic construction is just off-putting to me, designs are ugly for the most part and Touchwiz is horrendous. I prefer Sense or stock Android.
Um...the average consumer. Is that even a serious question.
daveathall
macrumors 68020
Have you got a link to where Samsung made fun of Apple for producing a phone that looked exactly like its predecessor please? I am not saying you are wrong or after an argument, but would like to read/view it. 🙂
Kariya
macrumors 68000
fr4c
macrumors 65816
Squilly
macrumors 68020
onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
For the billionth time:
There's a reason why people respond to Samsung's [if true] minor S3-to-S4 upgrade differently than they do to Apple's minor upgrades.
Samsung's smartphone lineup is so much more versatile than Apple's. Samsung has a wide range of phones to cover different sizes and price levels, many of them are current generation, and offer different experiences but still remain smartphones.
With Apple, there is only one screen size that is of current generation. The smaller option is over a year old, and there's no larger screen size at all.
Also, just taking their phones at face value, the S3 offers so much more packed into it than the iPhone 5 -- in other words, it truly is hard for Samsung to introduce many hardware changes (and again, they have other lineups to cover other ground in the smartphone world). Apple, on the other hand, intentionally withholds hardware changes (they don't believe wireless charging is worth it, nor in screen size options, nor NFC, nor notification lights, nor expandable memory, etc.).
Likewise, Samsung doesn't recycle their design for two years, as Apple has been doing, and will likely continue to do with the 5S.
So, is the S3-to-S4 upgrade small? Sure -- as small as the 4S-to-5 upgrade, if you want to really compare. But does Samsung take two years to do it? No.
TL;DR: No one is giving Samsung a free pass. Samsung just has their bases more covered.
*DISCLAIMER: I don't own a single Samsung product (no smartphone, phablet, tablet, TV, or fridge). Just pointing out that it is not even playing fields when it comes to people's response to Samsung vs people's response to Apple.
Oohara
macrumors 68040
Again though, in all fairness, this is after the iPhone had looked exactly the same for two full years...
onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
Why it's not hypocritical:
If anything, the hypocrisy is people who make fun of the S4 for looking similar to the S3, but accept the 4S looking exactly the same as the 4.
F123D
macrumors 68040
daveathall
macrumors 68020
jrswizzle
macrumors 603
People always love to use the line "Apple intentionally withholds features" but rarely does anyone think about why they do it....
Most Android OEM's throw the kitchen sink into their phone, while Apple is more targeted in their approach. I don't think its worth the negative connotation the above sentence brings.
I'd also argue against the thought that Samsung offering MORE than Apple in their flagships is automatically a good thing.
You may find it versatile, I just find it cumbersome.
I think the real reason is simply there is a lot of hate out there for Apple among the Android throng (and, lets face it - most on here are tech heads and identify more with Android's philosophy than iOS's) and there truly is a double standard.
I'm not saying you are one of them....though you do lean away from the iOS side rather than stick to the middle or lean towards iOS (as I do). Just saying, whether you feel the way you mention or not, the majority of people who mocked the 4S > 5 upgrade and would praise Samsung for a similar upgrade are those who are simply "bored" and want to move on to liking the next popular thing.....that or they really identified with Android all along and just hate iOS (generally failing to see or acknowledge that iOS, in its way, is a great mobile OS).
That's my rant.
And by the way.....I think the 4S > 5 was a really big upgrade....and given the rumors, I think the GS3 > GS4 will be a nice upgrade as well....I'm not one of those "re-invent the phone each year" type of people....generally I try and learn about what actually went into the phone versus simply going by what the outside looks like or how many GHz the CPU is....I'd say you are one of those people as well given how "nitpicky" you are with selecting your phone 😉.
Kariya
macrumors 68000
Just because screen sizes differ doesn't mean the overall design isn't the same. If you're gonna grasp at straws and talk about bezels size and texture differences then iPhone 3GS had iPhone embossed on its back in shiny metal compared to the 3G. The 4S' antenna has a different arrangement compared to the 4.
No one is debating that the iPhone 5 is the long lost brother of the 4 and that the S lines aren't identical.
But just because Samsung releases yet another screen size increase doesn't mean the design isn't the same.
If you guys want to argue the opposite then by all means suit yourself.
But to me the only one allowed to mock Apple is HTC who are actually doing something different hardware wise.
onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
Okay, so I really am not here to argue whether the 4S to 5 is a good or bad or substantial or not substantial upgrade. That's not the point of my post.
The point is, there is a reason why people react differently to Samsung's moderate upgrade (again, if true) versus Apple's moderate upgrade. And the reason is clear as day.
Does dislike of iOS play into? I won't deny that for some. But people who accept Samsung's modest upgrade have a perfectly legitimate reason to other than hating iOS. And they have Samsung's diverse profile of devices to thank for that.
Even if Apple has very good reasons for not including new hardware, that's their prerogative. It doesn't change the fact that Samsung has already included a lot of what's now standard hardware technology, and thus will be harder and harder for them to introduce "new" things.
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You didn't read anything in my quoted post. It has way more to do than just different screen sizes.
Here it is again:
There's a reason why people respond to Samsung's [if true] minor S3-to-S4 upgrade differently than they do to Apple's minor upgrades.
Samsung's smartphone lineup is so much more versatile than Apple's. Samsung has a wide range of phones to cover different sizes and price levels, many of them are current generation, and offer different experiences but still remain smartphones.
With Apple, there is only one screen size that is of current generation. The smaller option is over a year old, and there's no larger screen size at all.
Also, just taking their phones at face value, the S3 offers so much more packed into it than the iPhone 5 -- in other words, it truly is hard for Samsung to introduce many hardware changes (and again, they have other lineups to cover other ground in the smartphone world). Apple, on the other hand, intentionally withholds hardware changes (they don't believe wireless charging is worth it, nor in screen size options, nor NFC, nor notification lights, nor expandable memory, etc.).
Likewise, Samsung doesn't recycle their design for two years, as Apple has been doing, and will likely continue to do with the 5S.
So, is the S3-to-S4 upgrade small? Sure -- as small as the 4S-to-5 upgrade, if you want to really compare. But does Samsung take two years to do it? No.
TL;DR: No one is giving Samsung a free pass. Samsung just has their bases more covered.
*DISCLAIMER: I don't own a single Samsung product (no smartphone, phablet, tablet, TV, or fridge). Just pointing out that it is not even playing fields when it comes to people's response to Samsung vs people's response to Apple.
F123D
macrumors 68040
I'm still wondering why apple hasn't implemented quick toggles or quick reply for text messaging. I know certain features aren't released because it's not widely adapted enough or apple wants to make them better but you'd think something as useful as quick reply messaging would be on the iPhone by now.
onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
Or notification light. It could be so subtly done and could add so much to the aesthetics of it (imagine a subtle glowing home button, for example). There are so very many things they could implement, but choose not to.
I didn't want to get into it because this is a thread about the S4, but Apple's "reasons" for withholding features reek of BS to me. It reeks more of concern for profit and people upgrading each year, than a legitimately good reason not to.
I mean, does anyone seriously think the keyboard doesn't need upgrading, or that Apple has a "good reason" not to improve the keyboard for the past 5+ years? Please.
OMG, look the difference is that Apple only makes ONE phone and continues to pretty much rehash the same design every year.
Samsung always makes radical changes and if the S4 isn't a huge difference from teh other Galaxy, it's because they don't want to alienate people. We saw what problems were caused with the original Galaxy series: Epic, Vibrant, 4g and several other variants.
People critize Apple because they only do "subtle" things like make a taller screen. I think the spec upgrades on Apple devices don't matterus much simply because they have one OS and Apps on the 5 pretty much work on the 4 too.
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Yeah, Apple is the kind of company that won't change anything for years. Only subtly. And then one year they add that 'one thing' and suddenly its revolutionary. 🙄
Apple just likes stringing fans along. By not adding a lot of features, they are lowering R&D and increasing profits. An ingenius move to say the least.
Samsung always makes radical changes and if the S4 isn't a huge difference from teh other Galaxy, it's because they don't want to alienate people. We saw what problems were caused with the original Galaxy series: Epic, Vibrant, 4g and several other variants.
People critize Apple because they only do "subtle" things like make a taller screen. I think the spec upgrades on Apple devices don't matterus much simply because they have one OS and Apps on the 5 pretty much work on the 4 too.
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Yeah, Apple is the kind of company that won't change anything for years. Only subtly. And then one year they add that 'one thing' and suddenly its revolutionary. 🙄
Apple just likes stringing fans along. By not adding a lot of features, they are lowering R&D and increasing profits. An ingenius move to say the least.