Every time a thread like this gets started, whether it be through news or someone complaining, it always blows my mind.
You complain because your 2 gen prior hardware can't run the latest software meant for the latest hardware. You cite Apple as being cheap and greedy, and that there should be no reason why you can't run it on your old hardware as if new software developments don't take advantage of the new hardware or anything, thus making it a natural prerequisite.
Then you complain when they DO allow it, because it "doesn't run well," since you know, it's meant for new hardware. And no, just because you purchased it recently doesn't make it it new. You cite them being greedy again, as if they intentionally made it run poorly on your old hardware (which coincidentally doesn't have the needed juice to run a more resource intensive OS well). Also, no one's forcing you to update your firmware.
Then you complain because features are disabled. You cite how the JB community as had them, blah blah, without realizing that Apple isn't the jailbreak community and that their implementation is far different (and less efficient). You then call Apple greedy again, without realizing that your processor and RAM is the bottleneck for the lack of new features, and that if you turned off Spotlight indexing you'd have less performance issues.
Then you complain that Apple isn't taking their software far enough, and that it doesn't have enough "next-gen" features and advancements, and that the jailbreak community has far better implementation, yada yada. Do you realize the irony in this statement? Anyone who complains about iOS4 on a 3G and then says they want a more advanced iOS4+ is a HUGE hypocrite. Nah, bar hypocrite, just a blithering idiot. You can have one or the other. More advanced OS = less backwards compatibility, and greater hardware overhead requirements. Therefore if they were to make it more advanced, then there would be less support for prior models (even the 3GS).
At this point the "fandroids" as they are affectionately called come crashing into the thread, spreading their overzealous drivel. They also call Apple greedy, and while Apple IS greedy (what company isn't?), its not because of this. Cutting support for 2 gen prior hardware that doesn't meet the needed system specs for new software is not being greedy. But that doesn't matter to these zealots, because they'll then cite how Android is everywhere and is everything, and can do everything and is the greatest thing to ever grace this planet, while the iOS is utter crap. They'll probably insert a reception joke, 5 times, because they think its witty. Of course, there's one problem with this argument, in so far as Android isn't really backwards compatible either... most people with older android phones aren't running 2.2, hell, even 2, and even new phones won't get support when the next revision comes out, followed by the next 30 Android phones, all within the same year. Thus your 1-2 year old android phone will be behind, but somehow, in this case, it's not the manufacturers fault and their not being "greedy," simply because you state it as such. Same situation, different companies, but somehow its entirely different. Explain to me that one.
Of course I forgot the Apple "fanboys" that will come crashing into this thread too; they'll cite how Apple is the greatest ever, and how Android is the worst ever. They'll throw some FUD around, say Apple's implementation is the best, and how no one can do better.
Then there's a few of us (I'd like to consider myself one of them) who realize the merits (and disadvantages) of both, without swinging biases towards either product base. It's unreasonable to expect 2-gen prior support for anything, so stop complaining. The fact that they even allowed it all should be considered a plus, because it means they DO care. Also, many iOS implementations of features suck compared to the JB community. That's just fact, especially multitasking. Android devices are no better though; they have their own fair share of issues, and also suffer from the prior-generation syndrome. The bottom line is that there is no "best," there's no such thing as perfect, prior-gen hardware will never get the latest software, and people have an unwarranted sense of entitlement.
This is how every one of these threads goes.
You also do not understand the mindset of the typical phone consumer. They are often not technically savvy. They plug their phone into their computer, iTunes tells them they have an update, as it has done in the past. They click OK.
It installs iOS 4. Their phone is now intolerably slow. There is no Apple provided solution to fall back to the previous OS.
haha love it.
this is probably because of the hardware limitation of the 3g and 2g touch, i know its only two years and apple should support these devices for a good few years (few being more than two)
I'm quite aware of that; I thought it was pretty clear that each section represented a different grouping based on stereotypes, especially given the "fandroid" and "fanboy" delineations, but clearly I wasn't concise enough. My apologiesYou make it sound like, the people you are talking about are the same group of people, and are therefore being hypocritical.
They're not. The people complaining about iOS 4 being way to slow for their 3G are a different group of people complaining about iOS 4 not providing enough features for their 3G.
Contrary to what you think, I do actually understand the mindset of the typical phone consumer-- they're one track, marketing prone sheep who will cling onto any crafted punchline or claim, irregardless of the details. They have little to no tech experience, typically aren't overly educated, and rarely question why. It sounds a little elitist, but yes, these are the people who typically fall under the ruse of marketing tactics, and are the same people who click "ok" to anything, install trojans on their own computer by accident, and then go to sites like "CleanMyPC" to further compromise their computer. I'll admit, that's a pretty bleak picture of the average end-user, and it's a bit melodramatic, but you're right; they know nothing about technology.You also do not understand the mindset of the typical phone consumer. They are often not technically savvy. They plug their phone into their computer, iTunes tells them they have an update, as it has done in the past. They click OK.
It installs iOS 4. Their phone is now intolerably slow. There is no Apple provided solution to fall back to the previous OS.
You complain because your 2 gen prior hardware can't run the latest software meant for the latest hardware.
Considering that brand new iPhone 3Gs (not 3G S but 3G plural) were being sold 2½ months ago I'd say yes they need to be supporting them for a while. Which is to say, they should keep providing the stability & security updates of future iOS releases, even if new features (i.e. Game Center) can't be made available due to hardware constraints.
And to add to iMAVERICKam's point, the 8GB Touch you can walk in to an Apple store and buy today is being overlooked for Game Center, being currently on sale hardly makes it one or two generations ago.
You complain because your 2 gen prior hardware can't run the latest software meant for the latest hardware. You cite Apple as being cheap and greedy, and that there should be no reason why you can't run it on your old hardware as if new software developments don't take advantage of the new hardware or anything, thus making it a natural prerequisite.
Then you complain when they DO allow it, because it "doesn't run well," since you know, it's meant for new hardware. And no, just because you purchased it recently doesn't make it it new. You cite them being greedy again, as if they intentionally made it run poorly on your old hardware (which coincidentally doesn't have the needed juice to run a more resource intensive OS well). Also, no one's forcing you to update your firmware.
Then you complain because features are disabled. You cite how the JB community as had them, blah blah, without realizing that Apple isn't the jailbreak community and that their implementation is far different (and less efficient). You then call Apple greedy again, without realizing that your processor and RAM is the bottleneck for the lack of new features, and that if you turned off Spotlight indexing you'd have less performance issues.
Yes i think it is the case. Anyway i think Game center will support 3G and iPod touch 2g. It is just a beta.
No big surprise here. Apple has always been ruthless about dropping legacy support for their hardware. Nothing new.
I'm quite aware of that; I thought it was pretty clear that each section represented a different grouping based on stereotypes, especially given the "fandroid" and "fanboy" delineations, but clearly I wasn't concise enough. My apologies . I'll edit that to make it clearer; I could see where the usage of "you" and "you then" for the introductory clauses could have diluted the meaning of the separate and independent groupings.
What you are now calling itemized groupings, most would interpret as paragraphs. Which does nothing to suggest you were talking about different groups of people.4) It's itemized into groupings for a reason.
What?! Now that's just *not right*, Apple!! Way to fragment some more and piss people off!
As the owner of a 2nd Gen Touch which runs iOS 4 *really* well after a full restore, I am "Not happy, Jan!!"![]()
iPod 2nd gen surprises me. I own a iPhone 3G and some of my friends have an iPod Touch 2nd Gen. As I was using it, it was much faster than my iPhone 3G. Apps loaded a lot quicker, feels more responsive in the whole.
Many iPod Touch users are using it for games (thats what I think), so I think Apple should have supported the iPod Touch 2nd gen as well
The very sad thing is that iBooks essentially looked like a rip of an app called Classics with a few extra features tagged on (like a bookstore). On a 2nd generation iPod touch (like the 8GB they are currently selling), page turns in Classics are immediate and smooth. By comparison, the page turns (and pretty much every action) in iBooks has an unacceptable delay.Thank god, the iPhone 3G with iOS4 already feels like a PowerMac G3 on Tiger. It wouldn't be usable anyways, iBooks is barely useable. I miss calls all the time, because the dialog comes up very late and if you manage to slide the bar to receive the call, the caller is already in voice mail. Safari just crashed becuase I got mail (Yes, I'm writing on my 3G right now). Houston, we need RAM up here.
I wonder how long it takes until they develop MicroDIMM-DDR so we can at least extend the lifetime of our Smartphones a bit - not that Apple would built in a slot for that. I'd be already grateful for Micro-SDHC.
Worst thing is that I signed up for my iPhone in April 2009 and I'm eligible for the iPhone 4 on September 30th. I'll skip the iPhone 4 and get the 4GS/5 in June - I don't want to use software for iPhone 5GS/6 on an iPhone 4 again. Just another example for the "Get it while it's hot"-rule.
So people that bought a 3G 6 months ago have no right to complain about the *reduction* in speed (not lack of), that renders their new phone unusable ? Apple has not stated they no longer support the 3G.
Apple actively encourage all users to upgrade via iTunes. There was no warning that it would be slow, there is no list of minimum system requirements. It has been oversold and a load of customers have traded a usable phone for "folders".