I’ve had the 2.4/32GB/2TB/5600M model for a day (after returning the same specced model but with a 5500M) and I‘m no longer experiencing overheating/excessive fan ramping when connected to a 165hz 1440p monitor.
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I’ve had the 2.4/32GB/2TB/5600M model for a day (after returning the same specced model but with a 5500M) and I‘m no longer experiencing overheating/excessive fan ramping when connected to a 165hz 1440p monitor.
That's encouraging. Did you have it in clamshell mode? If so, is it possible for you to test it in non clamshell mode too?
I’ve had it in both modes throughout the day and haven’t experienced any difference between the two modes. No funky screen resolution hacks or turbo boost switching, just stock system fan/turbo control.
iStat would be good to see as well to compare. To late for me so eGPU is my route.
Just playing a couples games on my Vizio 75 inch TV @ 1080 120HZ
Tarkov 90FPS Med. Settings
Valorant 200FPS Max
COD MW 100-120FPS High Settings
Project Cars 2 120 FPS Max (Game is capped at 120)
Turbo is off, No battery drain
CPU and GPU temps stay under 65C
Impressive Chip, its a keeper.
Tarkov 90FPS Med. Settings
Valorant 200FPS Max
COD MW 100-120FPS High Settings
Project Cars 2 120 FPS Max (Game is capped at 120)
Turbo is off, No battery drain
CPU and GPU temps stay under 65C
Impressive Chip, its a keeper.
Can you install iStats and tell us if it draws under 19W during open lid?
I think iStat Menus needs to be updated to support the 5600M. It only shows "No Sensors Found".
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My 5600m-equipped MBP came in today (2.3GHz/32GB/1TB) and one of the first things I did was install Boot Camp to test Red Dead Redemption 2.
With default/auto configured settings at native resolution, achieved in-game benchmark average of 45FPS (minimum 30FPS, maximum 57FPS).
With default/auto configured settings at 1080P, achieved in-game benchmark average of 59FPS (minimum 50FPS, maximum 61FPS).
These results compare favorably with the admittedly cheaper and more compact Asus Zephyrus G14 I recently tested, powered by an AMD Ryzen 4900HS CPU/Nvidia RTX2060 Max-Q GPU with default/auto configured settings at 1080P achieving in-game benchmark average of 47FPS (minimum 34FPS, maximum 65FPS).
I plan on tweaking the settings a bit to increase average FPS at native resolution and also test 1080P with VSYNC off, but overall, very impressed with the MBP’s performance running this demanding title.
With default/auto configured settings at native resolution, achieved in-game benchmark average of 45FPS (minimum 30FPS, maximum 57FPS).
With default/auto configured settings at 1080P, achieved in-game benchmark average of 59FPS (minimum 50FPS, maximum 61FPS).
These results compare favorably with the admittedly cheaper and more compact Asus Zephyrus G14 I recently tested, powered by an AMD Ryzen 4900HS CPU/Nvidia RTX2060 Max-Q GPU with default/auto configured settings at 1080P achieving in-game benchmark average of 47FPS (minimum 34FPS, maximum 65FPS).
I plan on tweaking the settings a bit to increase average FPS at native resolution and also test 1080P with VSYNC off, but overall, very impressed with the MBP’s performance running this demanding title.
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Thanks for the benchmarks. I took a different approach; I disabled two cores in Windows, effectively turning the i9 into an i7. The graphics result is about the same, but the physics score is considerably better:
9,212 with AMD Radeon Pro 5500M(1x) and Intel Core i9-9880H Processor
Graphics Score 10,472
Physics Score 14,434
Combined Score 3,768
Sigh. If I had known Apple was going to be releasing a MacBook Pro with a 5600M I would've waited and snapped one up. I'm now well out of the return window for the Apple store, and it's tough to justify taking a loss on my current model, then coughing up another $1000 or so on a new one.
No word on fan speed, but I take it that it would not be loud at those temperatures.
Of course, that's for browsing the web. Gaming will most certainly rev up the fan. Even Max Tech said in his video "the [MBP's] fans were definitely louder" and "the eGPU has the advantage of being outside the MBP with a much better cooling system".
Meanwhile, I'm playing with an eGPU and all is quiet. They have improved the fans in graphics cards lately.
Plus, a couple years down the road when a graphics card with 50% better performance is available, I'll just pay a few hundred $ for it instead of taking a hit of $1000 - 1500 for selling my MBP and buying a new one - which actually won't even exist at that point because Apple will have switched to ARM and they're way behind in GPU performance.
Hello everyone!
I want to ask:
Someone had success with replacing i9/5500m with throttle issue in bootcamp by warranty?
Or maybe you have any more suggestions to try for me?
I know about every way of setting fanspeeds and clock speeds. I did a lot of testing of various solutions of this problem and nothing helping.
My current setup:
- external HP 120w dock with 2 monitors 1080p and 1440p, razer mouse and keyboard
- also tried 1440p, razer mouse and keyboard with kingston dongle
- laptop in clamp mode
- decrease cores from 8 to 4 in msconfig
- disabled turboboost through power management
- January Red Drivers
- CPU fan adaptive speed (keeping cpu around 70 degrees in Valorant)
- GPU fan ramped to max (keeping gpu around 70 degrees in Valorant)
I still can't play 1 game of valorant on 1440p, medium, 60 fps lock.
Temps are fine and no overheating.
I play around 30 minutes and cpu throttles down to 801mhz.
I encountered some gpu artifacts after returning to mac (Blinking screen, sometimes web pages was in some kind of rainbow colored artifacts). It returned to normal after some time of rest.
I tried everything - different drivers, throttlestop, Quick CPU and e.t.c. I cut every corner to sometimes play Valorant with this laptop and really dissapointed with perfomance.
I really starting to think that I got some faulty unit but I don't have any idea how to replace it, because I think that Apple will say that it is my problem. What do you guys do to replace yours and what was your proofs?
I want to ask:
Someone had success with replacing i9/5500m with throttle issue in bootcamp by warranty?
Or maybe you have any more suggestions to try for me?
I know about every way of setting fanspeeds and clock speeds. I did a lot of testing of various solutions of this problem and nothing helping.
My current setup:
- external HP 120w dock with 2 monitors 1080p and 1440p, razer mouse and keyboard
- also tried 1440p, razer mouse and keyboard with kingston dongle
- laptop in clamp mode
- decrease cores from 8 to 4 in msconfig
- disabled turboboost through power management
- January Red Drivers
- CPU fan adaptive speed (keeping cpu around 70 degrees in Valorant)
- GPU fan ramped to max (keeping gpu around 70 degrees in Valorant)
I still can't play 1 game of valorant on 1440p, medium, 60 fps lock.
Temps are fine and no overheating.
I play around 30 minutes and cpu throttles down to 801mhz.
I encountered some gpu artifacts after returning to mac (Blinking screen, sometimes web pages was in some kind of rainbow colored artifacts). It returned to normal after some time of rest.
I tried everything - different drivers, throttlestop, Quick CPU and e.t.c. I cut every corner to sometimes play Valorant with this laptop and really dissapointed with perfomance.
I really starting to think that I got some faulty unit but I don't have any idea how to replace it, because I think that Apple will say that it is my problem. What do you guys do to replace yours and what was your proofs?
I would take a video of this happening when booted into mac os if you want the best chance of apple taking it seriously.
If you haven't already though, I would strongly recommend to just delete your bootcamp partition and start again. Limiting Minimum and Maximum Processor Power to 99% on Windows, installing January Blue bootcamp drivers and having macsfancontrol set to full while gaming should be all you need to have a good experience. At some point a driver or setting somewhere may have gone astray.
Thank you for reply!
This is good idea but I think the best thing to reproduce problem on MacOS, because Apple will do it in their testing. I tried unigine heaven benchmark on mac, but couldn't get it throttle in 20 min on high. Maybe I can try longer...
One thing I learned is that gaming is 99% GPU and 1% CPU. Once I started using the eGPU, my MBP went from being a leaf blower to cool as a cucumber, fans at minimum.
To me, a "gaming laptop" is an oxymoron... get a desktop that costs 1/2 as much for gaming, or get an eGPU.
You are kinda right. Gaming laptop is a thing actually, but not this mac.
It can game but you have to think twice if you want to play on this thing.
Maybe new version with 5600m is better but 5500m is nightmare throttling experience for me (and some other users if you google). I am starting to think that it is some kind of lottery. Some people play RDR2 for hours with turboboost and some can't play even CS:GO, Valorant for 40 minutes with every corner cut.
But I think that it is not THAT serious load to play Valorant (Really low requirements game especially with my settings) and My problem not with temperatures (they are absolutely fine) but with something else...maybe faulty VRM...
I am going to build pc for playing games but I really don't want to own faulty unit of 2000$+ laptop.
From your current situation, the least expensive solution for gaming is an eGPU (preferably an nvidia so it's gonna be plug-and-play on Bootcamp, even though it's not gonna work with macOS). Then the next option is to build a PC. And finally, the worst option is to drop a ton of money to trade your MBP for a 5600m... you'll resolve the throttling but it's still gonna sound like a leaf blower.
In all honesty, I'm a huge fan of the 16 inch Macbook Pro. I'm not a normal use case as I'm not a professional who needs a powerful mac, but I love Mac OS and always buy Mac's as a result, and wanted the increased screen real estate and the ability to do casual gaming in bootcamp.
I am happy with my purchase for the screen size alone, however I've come to the conclusion for any prolonged gaming, you don't want to buy a Macbook Pro (Or almost any laptop for that matter, but I digress...). The thermals regardless of the GPU you choose or anything else are just not suited for gaming. You are unnecessarily shortening the lifespan of a very good computer. You're also buying a machine for gaming with absolutely no upgrade path for hardware down the line, and we know these intel mac's are going to be the last.
With the upcoming PS5 and Xbox Series X, consoles should be closer to PC than they've ever been, and you can always buy or build a gaming desktop significantly cheaper than any mac and not wear out your amazing mac by overheating it.
With the above knowledge, I probably wouldn't have invested in a 16 inch Macbook Pro myself, however now I'm used to the screen size, the 13 inch looks like a toy and I'm happy with the screen alone. I really hope apple comes out with a 14 inch option down the line as it will probably be the sweet spot for a laptop.
I am happy with my purchase for the screen size alone, however I've come to the conclusion for any prolonged gaming, you don't want to buy a Macbook Pro (Or almost any laptop for that matter, but I digress...). The thermals regardless of the GPU you choose or anything else are just not suited for gaming. You are unnecessarily shortening the lifespan of a very good computer. You're also buying a machine for gaming with absolutely no upgrade path for hardware down the line, and we know these intel mac's are going to be the last.
With the upcoming PS5 and Xbox Series X, consoles should be closer to PC than they've ever been, and you can always buy or build a gaming desktop significantly cheaper than any mac and not wear out your amazing mac by overheating it.
With the above knowledge, I probably wouldn't have invested in a 16 inch Macbook Pro myself, however now I'm used to the screen size, the 13 inch looks like a toy and I'm happy with the screen alone. I really hope apple comes out with a 14 inch option down the line as it will probably be the sweet spot for a laptop.
With arm bootcamp is dead so no more gaming in the Mac 
so maybe the 5600M is last good gaming mac
so maybe the 5600M is last good gaming mac2019, 16 inch Macbook Pro, i9 2.3GHZ, 16gb Ram, 1TB SSD and 5500m 8GB GPU.
I don't know the exact temps I get, however I know I experience CPU throttling unless I have the fans running at full blast after about half an hour of Gears Of War 4 at Ultra Settings and 1920 x 1200p.
Pretty much, unless Fortnite/Candy Crush games are considered AAA titles for you. Ha!With arm bootcamp is dead so no more gaming in the Mac
If you were a Mac user like me during the PPC era, Mac game ports were always several years late with poor performance.
But the days of running bootcamp and being able to run the latest titles will be gone soon in Mac land.
But like I said above we get all those "tasty" iOS gaming titles loaded with micro transactions and loot boxes as a trade!
AMD updated bootcamp drivers only for new 5600M so others still on 19.30 while 5600 is 19.50
I think that i figured it out.
The problem was in Valorant anti-cheat system Vanguard. I don't know what it is doing but It's going really deep in system, some people has problems with CPU cooler stopping working with this thing on theirs full-tower PCs.
My girlfriend encountered same problem on her pc (with 5 noctua fans lol), temperatures where fine like in my case but cpu dropped to 802 mhz.
So we tried to disable anti-cheat system and it was stable 4mhz+ on her core i7 6700k after that.
On my mac It allowed me to run heaven benchmark (1080p, medium, 60fps lock) for hour before GPU (not cpu like before) throttled a little.
Sooooo, If anyone has this specific problem you should try to disable Vanguard.
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