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That's great, also looking to pull the trigger on this (2.3/5600M/32GB). Can you please confirm if it still has the issue of overheating/loud fan noise when connected to external display?

I’ve had the 2.4/32GB/2TB/5600M model for a day (after returning the same specced model but with a 5500M) and I‘m no longer experiencing overheating/excessive fan ramping when connected to a 165hz 1440p monitor.
 
I’ve had the 2.4/32GB/2TB/5600M model for a day (after returning the same specced model but with a 5500M) and I‘m no longer experiencing overheating/excessive fan ramping when connected to a 165hz 1440p monitor.

That's encouraging. Did you have it in clamshell mode? If so, is it possible for you to test it in non clamshell mode too?
 
Just playing a couples games on my Vizio 75 inch TV @ 1080 120HZ
Tarkov 90FPS Med. Settings
Valorant 200FPS Max
COD MW 100-120FPS High Settings
Project Cars 2 120 FPS Max (Game is capped at 120)

Turbo is off, No battery drain
CPU and GPU temps stay under 65C

Impressive Chip, its a keeper.
 
I’ve had it in both modes throughout the day and haven’t experienced any difference between the two modes. No funky screen resolution hacks or turbo boost switching, just stock system fan/turbo control.

Can you install iStats and tell us if it draws under 19W during open lid?
 
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My 5600m-equipped MBP came in today (2.3GHz/32GB/1TB) and one of the first things I did was install Boot Camp to test Red Dead Redemption 2.

With default/auto configured settings at native resolution, achieved in-game benchmark average of 45FPS (minimum 30FPS, maximum 57FPS).

With default/auto configured settings at 1080P, achieved in-game benchmark average of 59FPS (minimum 50FPS, maximum 61FPS).

These results compare favorably with the admittedly cheaper and more compact Asus Zephyrus G14 I recently tested, powered by an AMD Ryzen 4900HS CPU/Nvidia RTX2060 Max-Q GPU with default/auto configured settings at 1080P achieving in-game benchmark average of 47FPS (minimum 34FPS, maximum 65FPS).

I plan on tweaking the settings a bit to increase average FPS at native resolution and also test 1080P with VSYNC off, but overall, very impressed with the MBP’s performance running this demanding title.
 
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Just ran test FireStrike test, The only thing I did was disable Turbo. 5500M was running BootCamp Red Drivers.

9 094 with AMD Radeon Pro 5500M(1x) and Intel Core i9-9880H Processor
Graphics Score 10639
Physics Score 11355
Combined Score 3810

++++++++SNIP+++++++++
13 035 with 5600M and Intel Core i9-9980HK Processor
Graphics Score 15503
Physics Score 15245
Combined Score 5407

Battery drain was 3% during the test so you'll have to disable Turbo if you plan on gaming with this thing. I'm starting to download a couple games right now but overall I am very impressed with the results. I think this is the gaming laptop that was rumored back in the beginning of the year.

The only external device I have is my Vizio TV that is 4k 60hz or 1080 120hz.

Thanks for the benchmarks. I took a different approach; I disabled two cores in Windows, effectively turning the i9 into an i7. The graphics result is about the same, but the physics score is considerably better:

9,212 with AMD Radeon Pro 5500M(1x) and Intel Core i9-9880H Processor
Graphics Score 10,472
Physics Score 14,434
Combined Score 3,768

Sigh. If I had known Apple was going to be releasing a MacBook Pro with a 5600M I would've waited and snapped one up. I'm now well out of the return window for the Apple store, and it's tough to justify taking a loss on my current model, then coughing up another $1000 or so on a new one.
 
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Got this from Max Tech. They can't yet measure the wattage of the Radeon High Side, iStats isn't reporting it. But he sent me his temps while browsing for an hour and plugged into an Apple 6K XDR
View attachment 926285

No word on fan speed, but I take it that it would not be loud at those temperatures.

Of course, that's for browsing the web. Gaming will most certainly rev up the fan. Even Max Tech said in his video "the [MBP's] fans were definitely louder" and "the eGPU has the advantage of being outside the MBP with a much better cooling system".

Meanwhile, I'm playing with an eGPU and all is quiet. They have improved the fans in graphics cards lately.

Plus, a couple years down the road when a graphics card with 50% better performance is available, I'll just pay a few hundred $ for it instead of taking a hit of $1000 - 1500 for selling my MBP and buying a new one - which actually won't even exist at that point because Apple will have switched to ARM and they're way behind in GPU performance.
 
Hello everyone!


I want to ask:

Someone had success with replacing i9/5500m with throttle issue in bootcamp by warranty?
Or maybe you have any more suggestions to try for me?
I know about every way of setting fanspeeds and clock speeds. I did a lot of testing of various solutions of this problem and nothing helping.

My current setup:
- external HP 120w dock with 2 monitors 1080p and 1440p, razer mouse and keyboard
- also tried 1440p, razer mouse and keyboard with kingston dongle
- laptop in clamp mode
- decrease cores from 8 to 4 in msconfig
- disabled turboboost through power management
- January Red Drivers
- CPU fan adaptive speed (keeping cpu around 70 degrees in Valorant)
- GPU fan ramped to max (keeping gpu around 70 degrees in Valorant)

I still can't play 1 game of valorant on 1440p, medium, 60 fps lock.
Temps are fine and no overheating.

I play around 30 minutes and cpu throttles down to 801mhz.
I encountered some gpu artifacts after returning to mac (Blinking screen, sometimes web pages was in some kind of rainbow colored artifacts). It returned to normal after some time of rest.

I tried everything - different drivers, throttlestop, Quick CPU and e.t.c. I cut every corner to sometimes play Valorant with this laptop and really dissapointed with perfomance.

I really starting to think that I got some faulty unit but I don't have any idea how to replace it, because I think that Apple will say that it is my problem. What do you guys do to replace yours and what was your proofs?
 
I encountered some gpu artifacts after returning to mac (Blinking screen, sometimes web pages was in some kind of rainbow colored artifacts). It returned to normal after some time of rest.

I would take a video of this happening when booted into mac os if you want the best chance of apple taking it seriously.

If you haven't already though, I would strongly recommend to just delete your bootcamp partition and start again. Limiting Minimum and Maximum Processor Power to 99% on Windows, installing January Blue bootcamp drivers and having macsfancontrol set to full while gaming should be all you need to have a good experience. At some point a driver or setting somewhere may have gone astray.
 
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I would take a video of this happening when booted into mac os if you want the best chance of apple taking it seriously.

If you haven't already though, I would strongly recommend to just delete your bootcamp partition and start again. Limiting Minimum and Maximum Processor Power to 99% on Windows, installing January Blue bootcamp drivers and having macsfancontrol set to full while gaming should be all you need to have a good experience. At some point a driver or setting somewhere may have gone astray.

Thank you for reply!

This is good idea but I think the best thing to reproduce problem on MacOS, because Apple will do it in their testing. I tried unigine heaven benchmark on mac, but couldn't get it throttle in 20 min on high. Maybe I can try longer...
 
Thanks for the benchmarks. I took a different approach; I disabled two cores in Windows, effectively turning the i9 into an i7. The graphics result is about the same, but the physics score is considerably better:

9,212 with AMD Radeon Pro 5500M(1x) and Intel Core i9-9880H Processor
Graphics Score 10,472
Physics Score 14,434
Combined Score 3,768

Sigh. If I had known Apple was going to be releasing a MacBook Pro with a 5600M I would've waited and snapped one up. I'm now well out of the return window for the Apple store, and it's tough to justify taking a loss on my current model, then coughing up another $1000 or so on a new one.

Can I ask how you disable the cores? In ThrottleStop?
 
Can I ask how you disable the cores? In ThrottleStop?

It is possible with msconfig. Check this post.

I'll add my two cents here. I took a different approach. I forced Windows (and all the programs running in Windows) to only use four cores and eight threads. This can be done by typing "msconfig.exe" in the Search bar (next to the Start button) and opening up the configuration utility. On the Boot tab, look for Advanced, then set the maximum number of processors (actually threads) to 8. This video details the process:


According to task manager, this forces the Windows to only use half the available cores and threads on my i9, effectively turning it into an i5. This has a triple benefit; it causes the CPU to use less power, generate substantially less heat and hit higher frequencies, which is often more important to games than total number of cores. Using less power and generating less heat also gives the GPU more thermal and power headroom.

I haven't done formal benchmarks, but a casual test in the game Control saw my 4GB 5500M hitting 1150MHz - 1200MHz and frame rates in the mid- to high fifties. The game was running at 3072x1920, with a render resolution of 1920x1200, high textures and a mix of low and medium lighting & effects. I'd post a video as proof, but the January 2020 Red drivers at bootcampdrivers.com don't seem to support video capture.

Obviously this will limit the amount of CPU horsepower available within Boot Camp. So this approach may not be suitable for people who do serious work in Windows. But I use Boot Camp for gaming and general use, not anything serious like video editing or running a dozen VMs. I'm also using the Windows version of Macs Fan Control to ramp up the fans pretty early. Though some might not like the noise, I can just use headphones if it bothers me.
 
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Hello everyone!


I want to ask:

Someone had success with replacing i9/5500m with throttle issue in bootcamp by warranty?
Or maybe you have any more suggestions to try for me?
I know about every way of setting fanspeeds and clock speeds. I did a lot of testing of various solutions of this problem and nothing helping.

My current setup:
- external HP 120w dock with 2 monitors 1080p and 1440p, razer mouse and keyboard
- also tried 1440p, razer mouse and keyboard with kingston dongle
- laptop in clamp mode
- decrease cores from 8 to 4 in msconfig
- disabled turboboost through power management
- January Red Drivers
- CPU fan adaptive speed (keeping cpu around 70 degrees in Valorant)
- GPU fan ramped to max (keeping gpu around 70 degrees in Valorant)

I still can't play 1 game of valorant on 1440p, medium, 60 fps lock.
Temps are fine and no overheating.

I play around 30 minutes and cpu throttles down to 801mhz.
I encountered some gpu artifacts after returning to mac (Blinking screen, sometimes web pages was in some kind of rainbow colored artifacts). It returned to normal after some time of rest.

I tried everything - different drivers, throttlestop, Quick CPU and e.t.c. I cut every corner to sometimes play Valorant with this laptop and really dissapointed with perfomance.

I really starting to think that I got some faulty unit but I don't have any idea how to replace it, because I think that Apple will say that it is my problem. What do you guys do to replace yours and what was your proofs?

One thing I learned is that gaming is 99% GPU and 1% CPU. Once I started using the eGPU, my MBP went from being a leaf blower to cool as a cucumber, fans at minimum.

To me, a "gaming laptop" is an oxymoron... get a desktop that costs 1/2 as much for gaming, or get an eGPU.
 
One thing I learned is that gaming is 99% GPU and 1% CPU. Once I started using the eGPU, my MBP went from being a leaf blower to cool as a cucumber, fans at minimum.

To me, a "gaming laptop" is an oxymoron... get a desktop that costs 1/2 as much for gaming, or get an eGPU.

You are kinda right. Gaming laptop is a thing actually, but not this mac.
It can game but you have to think twice if you want to play on this thing.

Maybe new version with 5600m is better but 5500m is nightmare throttling experience for me (and some other users if you google). I am starting to think that it is some kind of lottery. Some people play RDR2 for hours with turboboost and some can't play even CS:GO, Valorant for 40 minutes with every corner cut.

But I think that it is not THAT serious load to play Valorant (Really low requirements game especially with my settings) and My problem not with temperatures (they are absolutely fine) but with something else...maybe faulty VRM...

I am going to build pc for playing games but I really don't want to own faulty unit of 2000$+ laptop.
 
You are kinda right. Gaming laptop is a thing actually, but not this mac.
It can game but you have to think twice if you want to play on this thing.

Maybe new version with 5600m is better but 5500m is nightmare throttling experience for me (and some other users if you google). I am starting to think that it is some kind of lottery. Some people play RDR2 for hours with turboboost and some can't play even CS:GO, Valorant for 40 minutes with every corner cut.

But I think that it is not THAT serious load to play Valorant (Really low requirements game especially with my settings) and My problem not with temperatures (they are absolutely fine) but with something else...maybe faulty VRM...

I am going to build pc for playing games but I really don't want to own faulty unit of 2000$+ laptop.

From your current situation, the least expensive solution for gaming is an eGPU (preferably an nvidia so it's gonna be plug-and-play on Bootcamp, even though it's not gonna work with macOS). Then the next option is to build a PC. And finally, the worst option is to drop a ton of money to trade your MBP for a 5600m... you'll resolve the throttling but it's still gonna sound like a leaf blower.
 
In all honesty, I'm a huge fan of the 16 inch Macbook Pro. I'm not a normal use case as I'm not a professional who needs a powerful mac, but I love Mac OS and always buy Mac's as a result, and wanted the increased screen real estate and the ability to do casual gaming in bootcamp.

I am happy with my purchase for the screen size alone, however I've come to the conclusion for any prolonged gaming, you don't want to buy a Macbook Pro (Or almost any laptop for that matter, but I digress...). The thermals regardless of the GPU you choose or anything else are just not suited for gaming. You are unnecessarily shortening the lifespan of a very good computer. You're also buying a machine for gaming with absolutely no upgrade path for hardware down the line, and we know these intel mac's are going to be the last.

With the upcoming PS5 and Xbox Series X, consoles should be closer to PC than they've ever been, and you can always buy or build a gaming desktop significantly cheaper than any mac and not wear out your amazing mac by overheating it.

With the above knowledge, I probably wouldn't have invested in a 16 inch Macbook Pro myself, however now I'm used to the screen size, the 13 inch looks like a toy and I'm happy with the screen alone. I really hope apple comes out with a 14 inch option down the line as it will probably be the sweet spot for a laptop.
 
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In all honesty, I'm a huge fan of the 16 inch Macbook Pro. I'm not a normal use case as I'm not a professional who needs a powerful mac, but I love Mac OS and always buy Mac's as a result, and wanted the increased screen real estate and the ability to do casual gaming in bootcamp.

I am happy with my purchase for the screen size alone, however I've come to the conclusion for any prolonged gaming, you don't want to buy a Macbook Pro (Or almost any laptop for that matter, but I digress...). The thermals regardless of the GPU you choose or anything else are just not suited for gaming. You are unnecessarily shortening the lifespan of a very good computer. You're also buying a machine for gaming with absolutely no upgrade path for hardware down the line, and we know these intel mac's are going to be the last.

With the upcoming PS5 and Xbox Series X, consoles should be closer to PC than they've ever been, and you can always buy or build a gaming desktop significantly cheaper than any mac and not wear out your amazing mac by overheating it.

With the above knowledge, I probably wouldn't have invested in a 16 inch Macbook Pro myself, however now I'm used to the screen size, the 13 inch looks like a toy and I'm happy with the screen alone. I really hope apple comes out with a 14 inch option down the line as it will probably be the sweet spot for a laptop.

What temperatures are u getting during gaming? What specs?
 
What temperatures are u getting during gaming? What specs?

2019, 16 inch Macbook Pro, i9 2.3GHZ, 16gb Ram, 1TB SSD and 5500m 8GB GPU.

I don't know the exact temps I get, however I know I experience CPU throttling unless I have the fans running at full blast after about half an hour of Gears Of War 4 at Ultra Settings and 1920 x 1200p.
 
With arm bootcamp is dead so no more gaming in the Mac :( so maybe the 5600M is last good gaming mac
Pretty much, unless Fortnite/Candy Crush games are considered AAA titles for you. Ha!

If you were a Mac user like me during the PPC era, Mac game ports were always several years late with poor performance.

But the days of running bootcamp and being able to run the latest titles will be gone soon in Mac land.

But like I said above we get all those "tasty" iOS gaming titles loaded with micro transactions and loot boxes as a trade!
 
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Hello everyone!


I want to ask:

Someone had success with replacing i9/5500m with throttle issue in bootcamp by warranty?
Or maybe you have any more suggestions to try for me?
I know about every way of setting fanspeeds and clock speeds. I did a lot of testing of various solutions of this problem and nothing helping.

My current setup:
- external HP 120w dock with 2 monitors 1080p and 1440p, razer mouse and keyboard
- also tried 1440p, razer mouse and keyboard with kingston dongle
- laptop in clamp mode
- decrease cores from 8 to 4 in msconfig
- disabled turboboost through power management
- January Red Drivers
- CPU fan adaptive speed (keeping cpu around 70 degrees in Valorant)
- GPU fan ramped to max (keeping gpu around 70 degrees in Valorant)

I still can't play 1 game of valorant on 1440p, medium, 60 fps lock.
Temps are fine and no overheating.

I play around 30 minutes and cpu throttles down to 801mhz.
I encountered some gpu artifacts after returning to mac (Blinking screen, sometimes web pages was in some kind of rainbow colored artifacts). It returned to normal after some time of rest.

I tried everything - different drivers, throttlestop, Quick CPU and e.t.c. I cut every corner to sometimes play Valorant with this laptop and really dissapointed with perfomance.

I really starting to think that I got some faulty unit but I don't have any idea how to replace it, because I think that Apple will say that it is my problem. What do you guys do to replace yours and what was your proofs?


I think that i figured it out.
The problem was in Valorant anti-cheat system Vanguard. I don't know what it is doing but It's going really deep in system, some people has problems with CPU cooler stopping working with this thing on theirs full-tower PCs.

My girlfriend encountered same problem on her pc (with 5 noctua fans lol), temperatures where fine like in my case but cpu dropped to 802 mhz.
So we tried to disable anti-cheat system and it was stable 4mhz+ on her core i7 6700k after that.

On my mac It allowed me to run heaven benchmark (1080p, medium, 60fps lock) for hour before GPU (not cpu like before) throttled a little.

Sooooo, If anyone has this specific problem you should try to disable Vanguard.
 
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