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People here are too quick to blame the IT teams when it can also be poor management decisions as well. For example, managers that allow doctors / politicians / random inappropriate people to buy IT equipment and services (which then can’t be managed or patched Or supported in some way), outsourced services to the lowest bidder (the staff at the outsourced provider again not at fault for doing what they’re told), not investing in secure replacement systems (for example corporate systems still using active x in I.E.). Yes you can have incompetent IT teams, but that is often brought about by poor management.

The next big security nightmare will be the cloud, seen as a silver bullet now by most management with “security for free” as it’s sold to them and magically reduced costs. However it means developers have to re-skill in security which is often either too complicated for them or they have no interest and crucially the system has to be supported throughout its life, fine for a product doing well but an end of life product isn’t going to get the attention it needs in 5/10 years and in the cloud this is even more critical than usual.

just to say I have no dislike of the cloud just the people that think it solves everything!
 
People here are too quick to blame the IT teams when it can also be poor management decisions as well.
This is absolutely a failure of IT management. All of Garmin's services, with the exception of the main website, are crippled. Their call center is disabled, flight management systems cannot be updated, activity tracking cannot be synced, and the problem has apparently even caused a manufacturing shutdown. These systems should not all be tied together such that a business of this scale is entirely shut down. It's not a matter of some random person buying one wrong thing.
 
This is absolutely a failure of IT management. All of Garmin's services, with the exception of the main website, are crippled. Their call center is disabled, flight management systems cannot be updated, activity tracking cannot be synced, and the problem has apparently even caused a manufacturing shutdown. These systems should not all be tied together such that a business of this scale is entirely shut down. It's not a matter of some random person buying one wrong thing.
You can not make that judgement of blame until the post-mortem has been completed unfortunately. Sure it sounds like they had poor network segmentation but wait and see.

Also, I once asked for money to put an IDS into the business I worked in, approved by the IT manager, blocked by the bean counter. If an attack had been successful that an IDS may have warned us about earlier who’s fault is it at that point? IT or more senior management? I’ve been lucky enough to never had to deal with a big security issue but this fantasy that security is IT’s problem needs to stop. It’s everyone’s problem and everyone’s responsibility.
 
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I am a I.T. professional and have been involved in all aspects of system security for the past 31 years.
Do you know what the two most common passwords for a user account are? (As of 2019)
'password' and '123456'.
Does anyone wonder why systems so often get hacked?

Then you should know that when greeted with a box that says 'YES' and 'NO', most users will automatically click the yes box.

In this incident, it's very highly likely that a spam email, or a more embarrassing SPOOFED email came across someones email, pretending to be something from corporate, and they clicked to read the attachment, or go to the web sit ein the link, and (hopefully for their sake) was presented by a realistic looking login page, that they used to enter their identification in. They likely got a fake error, but were then able to login properly, and the 'deed was done'.

Most people that are hacked HACK THEMSELVES!!! I get emails from banks I've never had an account with on a weekly basis. I get emails from banks I DO have accounts with sporadically. I got a weird confrontation at my bank years ago. THe teller looked at her screen, and at me, and asked me why I hadn't responded to their email. They looked puzzled. Apparently I had gotten some emails concerning 'questionable activity' on my account. I was surprised. I told her what I just said above, and she understood, I hope.

One email message looked so genuine, that I started filling in the form, but they asked for information they would have had already, and I got suspicious. It looked to be 100% genuine, except for the questions they asked.

My own mom lost control of her internet account about 10 years ago. She got an email from 'tech support' and it asked for her password. I could have been more kinder, possibly, but told her under no circumstances should ANYONE EVER GET HER PASSWORD! Especially 'tech support', or 'customer service', 'accounting', etc. Being a system administrator, I don't need her password. Yadda yadda yadda. You all know the drill...

This was, on Garmin's side, a HUGE screwup. They should have had procedures and software to help stop this from happening. I hope they can recover from this...

A tangent (tm): I had a friend that was in a social group, and they were having 'issues' with hacking. Someone in the group, who called themselves a 'computer expert' advised them to ditch their physical firewall appliance, and use ZoneAlarm (or whatever) software firewall. I strongly advised agains tit, but they were sold. less than a year later, they were seriously attacked. See above. People were presented with a popup that said asked if they wanted to allow a program they had no idea what it did access to their computer. Most trained monkeys will click 'YES'. Too many people did click 'YES', and, brick by brick, their 'firewall' became cheesecloth. DOH!!!
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NB: Am affected by this as have a Garmin product.

Glad you performed a thorough analysis and debrief of the incident before suggesting who to kill... /s

I ran a computer networking company for nearly 40 years. I had software, and policies in place to deal with this kind of problem.

For one thing, I beat the idea that no one should ever get your password into all of my clients and their employees. There are ways to deal with these kinds of attacks, and a capable IT department would have protection and policies in place on the 'pre-attack' end, and backups and other protection on the back end.

It might be interesting to find out that Congress had a bill to penalize corporations that were attacked and either disclosed user information, or had a large scale lock down. And the Chamber of Commerce didn't think it was needed, and their political minions killed it. The bill had teeth. Any corporation that was reckless and exposed user data without taking precautions would be more than spanked. But the CofC can't have that. And there was a requirement that businesses that were attacked to inform clients and customers in a quick manner. No more two years latter having a company say, 'Oh, by the way, we were attacked two years ago, and all your information was stolen, and, well, we didn't want to bother you, and it's been so long, you can't be mad at us, can you?'

Yeah, it's probably too easy to break into corporate America now than it ever has been, and there is no drive for the corporations to adequately protect themselves.

Yeah, IT blew it. Someone has to walk the plank. Data is their business. If they can't take proper care of it, then maybe they shouldn't be in business.
 
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From what I've seen, the watch is still gathering data. But it can't upload the data to the Garmin servers for analysis. For example, sleep tracking is unavailable. Right now, the only items showing up for me are steps, floors, and calories. Right now, my Garmin is a pedometer, and that's about it.

It will depend on the watch. Some of the newer watches such as the Fenix 6 and Marq have on-device sleep tracking. All other data capturing aspects of the watch are still working - swimming, cycling, running etc. What’s missing is the ability to sync that data through the Garmin servers. Data can be manually uploaded to Strava and other 3rd party sites via a computer using file transfer.

It’s inconvenient but not the end of the world as some people seem to think. Unless of course personal data has been compromised.
 
Yep! Best thing for a business are chrome books for most employees, maybe Macs for upper management (if that) and 100% SaaS for all infrastructure (apps, file storage, accounting, SSO, etc.)

yep, and almost all of those things already are SaaS anyway, or otherwise rapidly coalescing into that. When non-native versions of bigger apps like Quicken are done, it’s game over for Windows (Microsoft already knows this; their latest earnings show Windows and Office native app licensing continued to fall, which is why they now have browser versions of them).

IBM already saw the benefits of Macs; Cisco as well. I’m still shocked companies continue to buy and deploy Windows; no one seems to realize that Windows is a liability and not an asset. Maybe the “losses” aren’t it enough yet. I thought the Merck thing would’ve been the catalyst. But nope, they did it again. Morons.
 
...short term profits seem to be the most important thing. We see this is software quality too, it costs money and delays your product if you do exhaustive testings.
That's certainly true.
This is never a case of smart hackers, it's just dumb/cheap companies.
Well... It is clever hackers, at least clever enough. They know many coders/programmers, etc have learned to prevent brute force attacks -- though not all -- but deviants have been assured users can be a very weak link and thus focus on exploiting that.
Then you should know that when greeted with a box that says 'YES' and 'NO', most users will automatically click the yes box.

In this incident, it's very highly likely that a spam email, or a more embarrassing SPOOFED email came across someones email, pretending to be something from corporate, and they clicked to read the attachment, or go to the web sit ein the link, and (hopefully for their sake) was presented by a realistic looking login page, that they used to enter their identification in. They likely got a fake error, but were then able to login properly, and the 'deed was done'.

Most people that are hacked HACK THEMSELVES!!! I get emails from banks I've never had an account with on a weekly basis. I get emails from banks I DO have accounts with sporadically. I got a weird confrontation at my bank years ago. THe teller looked at her screen, and at me, and asked me why I hadn't responded to their email. They looked puzzled. Apparently I had gotten some emails concerning 'questionable activity' on my account. I was surprised. I told her what I just said above, and she understood, I hope.

One email message looked so genuine, that I started filling in the form, but they asked for information they would have had already, and I got suspicious. It looked to be 100% genuine, except for the questions they asked.

My own mom lost control of her internet account about 10 years ago. She got an email from 'tech support' and it asked for her password. I could have been more kinder, possibly, but told her under no circumstances should ANYONE EVER GET HER PASSWORD! Especially 'tech support', or 'customer service', 'accounting', etc. Being a system administrator, I don't need her password. Yadda yadda yadda. You all know the drill...
Second, including seeing some impressively mimicked emails myself. If I have any doubt, I hover or long-press for context menu any/every address before (regular) clicking/tapping on it to inspect if it matches the link text and otherwise appears reasonably legit -- also often works for the "from" email address. Additionally, a person can follow the more common advice of when in doubt go to the Web address you know is authenticate and make your way to the appropriate content from there. Basically, there are ways to properly verify and should be no shame in doing so.
 
You’re correct. However the issue people miss is that they see “ransomware attack” and think “computers”. No, it’s the “Windows platform”. People need to drop Windows like a bad hot potato and this problem goes away. “Cloud” allows that now. Next to zero need for Windows on a computer anymore. Some edge cases, yes, but not as your main platform; you don’t need to do general browsing and mail on your gaming rig, either.

Oh yes our Macs aren’t perfect either. But our Mail clients and browsers don’t do this crap. Plus we can still add printers without having to be local admins!
When Linux picks up popularity on desktop platform and home users computers, same hacking can happen on Linux as well.
Apple has been not very proactive fixing their own macOS bugs for a long time, so ransomware a Mac is not too hard compared to windows.
Cyber security issue is platform agnostic. Even if Windows is somewhat gone, cyber security still exist, just moved to another platform.
 
When Linux picks up popularity on desktop platform and home users computers, same hacking can happen on Linux as well.
Apple has been not very proactive fixing their own macOS bugs for a long time, so ransomware a Mac is not too hard compared to windows.
Cyber security issue is platform agnostic. Even if Windows is somewhat gone, cyber security still exist, just moved to another platform.

There ARE viruses for macs. They just aren't, generally, as destructive as they are on pc's. I remember how horrified I was to find out that my trusted IIcx had the Scores Virus. It was a pretty large non-event, but I was still horrified that I had picked it up somehow. I thought I had done everything right.

But on spoofing, and 'deep fakes', they are out there Because They Work. I can't count how many people, friends and clients, who were surprised that people send out fake emails. Surprised that phishing is a thing. It's used Because It's Effective. Becasse out of every million emails, they get 1,000 stupid idiots that give their lives to them. A woman was bilked out of over $200,000 locally. Suckered in by the 'help, I'm a political prisoner, and you seem like a nice person' ploy. She lost all that money, her retirement. Sad, but all too common.

And 'zero-day' flaws can be highly profitable too.
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And Garmin Connect is still down.

"We are currently experiencing an outage that affects Garmin.com and Garmin Connect. This outage also affects our call centers, and we are currently unable to receive any calls, emails or online chats. We are working to resolve this issue as quickly as possible and apologize for this inconvenience."
 
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There ARE viruses for macs. They just aren't, generally, as destructive as they are on pc's. I remember how horrified I was to find out that my trusted IIcx had the Scores Virus. It was a pretty large non-event, but I was still horrified that I had picked it up somehow. I thought I had done everything right.

But on spoofing, and 'deep fakes', they are out there Because They Work. I can't count how many people, friends and clients, who were surprised that people send out fake emails. Surprised that phishing is a thing. It's used Because It's Effective. Becasse out of every million emails, they get 1,000 stupid idiots that give their lives to them. A woman was bilked out of over $200,000 locally. Suckered in by the 'help, I'm a political prisoner, and you seem like a nice person' ploy. She lost all that money, her retirement. Sad, but all too common.

And 'zero-day' flaws can be highly profitable too.
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And Garmin Connect is still down.

"We are currently experiencing an outage that affects Garmin.com and Garmin Connect. This outage also affects our call centers, and we are currently unable to receive any calls, emails or online chats. We are working to resolve this issue as quickly as possible and apologize for this inconvenience."

Bingo. Yep, zero-days keep me up late at night, too. Those Deep Fakes are REALLY good sometimes, too. Creepy good.

Phishing is always a issue, regardless of the platform, which almost always leads to a financial target. You can be phished on your iPhone. SaaS Access Security is always an issue (O365, etc.), but it’s not gonna leave a bitcoin mining Trojan and ransomware on your not-Windows PC (e.g. iPad) after the phish. But yes it’s still a break-in to the CEO’s mailbox and that’s Very Bad.

Now if Apple screws up and leaves a hole open for a remotely-executable and non-interactive APT on iOS, well... that’s gonna be a Sad Sad Day. Switching to ASi on Mac should help tighten it down, too (those APTs sadly do exist on Mac, but not overly common).

Watch this live feed of a horror movie in real life. Count how many times you see “Mac” or “iOS” in here. Go on. I’m waiting...

 
These successful attacks are only going to get worse in the next few years. Most executives don't view IT security as that important. Certainly not worth the money it takes to secure things properly.
Not surprising. Most of these big tech companies are HQ'd in the US and the government cares very little for IT and the personal data of its citizens. Look at the few laws that have been put into place at a state level... even less federally. If the government isn't going to enforce practices that will protect the data of the consumers, most businesses sure won't pay to protect them.
 
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From what I've seen, the watch is still gathering data. But it can't upload the data to the Garmin servers for analysis. For example, sleep tracking is unavailable. Right now, the only items showing up for me are steps, floors, and calories. Right now, my Garmin is a pedometer, and that's about it.

Mine is still fully functional....All metrics are being recorded and saved to the watch. I can access all that saved data directly on the watch including sleep tracking, training status, activity data etc. The only issue that I am seeing is my data isn’t being uploaded and I can’t access it from the app/ web.

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Mine is still fully functional....All metrics are being recorded and saved to the watch. I can access all that saved data directly on the watch including sleep tracking, training status, activity data etc. The only issue that I am seeing is my data isn’t being uploaded and I can’t access it from the app/ web.

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Yes, it's like everything off the watch/device just isn't there, which is exactly what is happening. The Connect service is not there.

But traveling with a Garmin Edge bike computer, I do think there is a way to sync the devices with a computer, and that will offload the data, and save it (unless your computer dies) until Connect comes back (soon I hope). Depending on how bad the mess is, Connect might not come back for a few more days, and the data might not be there. All older data might be irretrievably gone. That is going to suck hard for a lot of people that have years/decades of data, and need to keep that data. I don't know if updates are working, because this outage also took down their avionics business unit as well, and there are some plane drivers stuck because they can't get the data they need to be able to fly.

This is a massively huge outage that has brought Garmin to its knees. Having the outage last this long so far, probably means it's a real mess there, and at their other data centers. I imagine a lot of people are working a lot of hours trying to recover from this. Some companies that have paid the ransom, never get their data back, or it's full of malware and gaps. Hope for the best...
 
But traveling with a Garmin Edge bike computer, I do think there is a way to sync the devices with a computer, and that will offload the data, and save it (unless your computer dies) until Connect comes back (soon I hope).
All saved rides on the Edge units are saved on the storage in the GPS. You can manually copy those files and upload them to a service like Strava manually, without any problem.
 
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So if you own one of their pieces of hardware (watch, GPS, etc) does that mean that it is pretty much not working right now?

I can track runs, heartrate and other things but I can't look at things yet. I think that the latest model, the Fenix 6, can do and display sleep tracking as it can process the data on the watch instead of requiring it be done on your phone or PC.
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WastedLocker ransomware, demanding a $10 million ransom, according to BleepingComputer.

We'll see how good their backup solution is.
 
on a side note... how do you like the tactix? (pre all the GC mess)
It’s superb! The bezel is still immaculate after some serious dings. I had the bare titanium 6X Pro Solar and the Marq Expedition prior to the tactix. The raw titanium scratches so easily and it was also causing a rash on my skin despite cleaning daily. The DLC coated stainless on the tactix completely fixed this issue. The domed Sapphire vastly reduces the reflections over the regular sapphire but the screen clarity was way better on the 6X pro solar.

If I were buying from scratch today, I’d buy the Tactix Delta Solar, mainly because I live in a sunny country and work outdoors much of the day. I can’t justify selling my current Tactix to buy the Solar version however.
 
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All saved rides on the Edge units are saved on the storage in the GPS. You can manually copy those files and upload them to a service like Strava manually, without any problem.

There are several ways to save rides on the Edge when they can't be synced to the mothership. I can't find the article as it was years ago, but the gist of it was that you can still sync the Edge to a computer, and the data will be 'saved' to the computer. You can also connect the Edge to a computer and copy the ride data files off of it, and sync later.

Strava Edge syncing.
 
There are several ways to save rides on the Edge when they can't be synced to the mothership. I can't find the article as it was years ago, but the gist of it was that you can still sync the Edge to a computer, and the data will be 'saved' to the computer. You can also connect the Edge to a computer and copy the ride data files off of it, and sync later.
Strava Edge syncing.

I am somewhat uncomfortable not being able to download/sync and would like to know if connecting to a PC would offload the data. At this point I don't really know. I do know, that my watch has 16 GB of flash storage and that there's quite a bit of that free but maybe I'll remove my music library (5 GB) to make sure that there's plenty of space for data should this take a few more days. I understand that some of the Fenix 6 models have 32 GB of Flash storage - that's more than one of my iPhones and two of my tablets.
 
I am somewhat uncomfortable not being able to download/sync and would like to know if connecting to a PC would offload the data. At this point I don't really know. I do know, that my watch has 16 GB of flash storage and that there's quite a bit of that free but maybe I'll remove my music library (5 GB) to make sure that there's plenty of space for data should this take a few more days. I understand that some of the Fenix 6 models have 32 GB of Flash storage - that's more than one of my iPhones and two of my tablets.
For reference, on a recent 100km/63mi gravel bike ride with power/HR/speed/cadence sensors, the .fit file was less than 750KB. You'll be able to store a lot of activities on a sport watch that comes with 16GB of flash storage. Recent Fenix models (i.e. those with music) will need the android file transfer app for macOS in order to download the .fit files from the watch to a Mac (first make sure Garmin Express isn't running): https://www.android.com/filetransfer/

Note that this is much simpler with the Edge bike computers, because they show up as a mounted file system when you plug them into a Mac/PC with a USB cable.
 
For reference, on a recent 100km/63mi gravel bike ride with power/HR/speed/cadence sensors, the .fit file was less than 750KB. You'll be able to store a lot of activities on a sport watch that comes with 16GB of flash storage. Recent Fenix models (i.e. those with music) will need the android file transfer app for macOS in order to download the .fit files from the watch to a Mac (first make sure Garmin Express isn't running): https://www.android.com/filetransfer/

Note that this is much simpler with the Edge bike computers, because they show up as a mounted file system when you plug them into a Mac/PC with a USB cable.

I don't need to download the files if this outage is under a week. I just want to make sure I have enough space. I'm mostly a runner with the Garmin Fenix 5.
 
As this outage drags on, one has to consider not when Garmin comes back online, but if they will come back, and to what degree.

It is unfortunate, but many companies, even today, have an attitude that it can’t happen to them. Investments are made in cost centers that produce returns, not those that produce security and stability.

What is their recovery path? Is it narrow or broad and redundant? Is it restoration or rebuild? One thing for sure is that it is being tested with the stakes as high as the company’s ongoing viability.
 
As this outage drags on, one has to consider not when Garmin comes back online, but if they will come back, and to what degree.

It is unfortunate, but many companies, even today, have an attitude that it can’t happen to them. Investments are made in cost centers that produce returns, not those that produce security and stability.

What is their recovery path? Is it narrow or broad and redundant? Is it restoration or rebuild? One thing for sure is that it is being tested with the stakes as high as the company’s ongoing viability.

I'd just like to know their ETA for coming back online. I seriously hope that they don't pay the ransom.
 
I'd just like to know their ETA for coming back online. I seriously hope that they don't pay the ransom.
I imagine if they were going the pay route, and paying actually worked, they’d be online now. More likely they are struggling.

The company I used to work for would do a large scale recovery of critical systems into a third party facility every year as a drill. It was a week long project and often resulted in various failures not previously encountered. That was essentially both a restore and rebuild scenario.

Many IT departments today rely on highly available hardware across geographical locations. Generally speaking a corrupted source can replicate corruption.

I think that given the amount of time Garmin has been down speaks to difficulties they may be having.

Wishing them luck. I’d love to start syncing my Forerunner 935 again.
 
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