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“measure blood oxygen level, alerts for high and low heart rates, and a new body temperature sensor.”

Most Garmin watches can do this too, and they are really focused on sport. Not a 2h run, but a two or more days trekking, ultra marathons and more.
Garmin software is really, really simply but it shows you A LOT more sportive metrics than AW.

This ultra is really great, the best product on keynote, but software is the same as standard AW so it lacks many thinks.
An example is the recently added of “hr zones”, really? In 2022?! My girldfrend had in 2015 a $250 Garmin that had that information while you running.

Hoping they’ll focus further more in sport, surely these ultra it’s a great start.
I would say that for the serious athlete, you do have to move away from the native apps and use some third-party ones. But you can still use the Watch as a serious athlete (probably not all types of serious athletes) so long as you use third-party apps.

For example, there's no native Apple app as far as I know that can properly display track workouts when one is doing the workout on the go. I use Intervals for that.
 
Garmin specs are for when using gps. It gets 34 hours using gps without solar if i remember correctly. Apple is 36 hours in general.
34 hours of continuous accurate GPS tracking without using solar technology is some serious stuff! How does Garmin do that? Or are we being mislead?
 
Even when my 4 was new it wouldn't make it on an overseas flight without dying. I'll settle for daily charging.

I do wonder though, why apple bothers to put sleep tracking in it, when you can't wear it while sleeping because you have to charge it for a few hours. Do they think people are going to charge in the middle of the day?

Charge the Watch while you are taking a shower and getting ready for bed. Charging it for about 10 to 15 minutes generally will allow the Watch to get through the night. It doesn't take long to get the Watch up to about 80% charge level.
 
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The first iPhone couldn't shoot video and it's now the best at shooting video. Garmin needs to realize that the Apple Watch Ultra is the Apple Watch Ultra Series 1............

Okay, nice fire back.

But Apple will be back next year slowly advancing to have every single feature Garmin has and then adding to the list.
Garmin needs to stop resting on its laurels and advance their product or they'll end up like Fitbit.
Totally agree with you. While I don't know if Apple will succeed, you have a great point that this is ONLY the first version and first (?) step towards moving into that field of technology for ultra athletes. Isn't there a saying about Rome not being built in one day? It's all one step at a time.
 
Sort of. The Apple Watch costs $799 + the cost of a recent model iPhone + the cost of a phone cellular plan + the cost of a watch cellular plan.
For the $1,099, Garmin is including an iPhone, and LTE service for both devices? That is a good deal! Or is that not what you mean?
 
Comparing AW vs Garmin is like comparing Intel laptop vs M1.
Whatever Intel-based do and try to win M1, it’s clear that M1 smoked Intel, although M1 sales is less than Intel.
 
the ultra is nowhere close to what a Garmin watch can offer in terms of activity function. Garmins main competitor is Coros as Sunto has not been able to surpass them but Coros surely has.

Yup. Garmin like the market leaders before it (Blackberry, Nokia, Palm, etc.) has nothing to fear from Apple. Even now that Apple has noticed their market and is starting to target it.

If Garmin could bring wireless service to it, would be great. Only thing they offer is some Verizon (think it’s them) w text capability only.

Well, and as others have said, bug free software with a great UI/UX. Granted, if they added LTE voice service, I am pretty sure they would not get a month out of a charge.

There is no way in heck, I would give up my Fenix for an. Apple Watch. If you feel like you would, you probably don’t fit the demographic of us Garmin users. That simple.

You are right. There will be a shrinking market of Garmin users who do Ultra Marathons and Iron Man Triathons who will buy Garmin Watches. As that market shrinks, you will be even more elite and you will be able to continue to explain to everyone else how you really do not want more users.
 
Until it isn't - remember Blackberry's CEO's laughing at the original iPhone?

Garmin wins in a few metrics, but once Apple can get battery life to a few weeks, Garmin's advantages evaporates.

Apple never stands still.

I don’t see the Apple Watch ever getting that much battery life.

If we want to use the blackberry example, it will be like how the iphone never got a physical keyboard, and not only did the user base not care, but their use case also evolved to make the keyboard more of a liability than it was a benefit.

I wouldn’t count out Apple’s ability to make existing users care about other features beyond battery life. Sure, the Garmin might last longer on a single charge, but maybe at some point, people start going - you know what? That 1 week battery life is sweet, but so are the new features in the latest Apple Watch.

That’s what Apple does best. Change the rules of the game until eventually, the competition find they are increasingly forced to play on Apple’s terms, rather than the other way around.
 
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For a person that’s seriously into the outdoors and climbing, mountaineering, etc, Ultra won’t compare to the usefulness of a garmin device for soooo many reasons.
Sure. And Garmin still fails for me because of no cellular radio. The radio makes up for a lot.
 
I absolutely hate these comments lol. Do you realize that EVERY high end tactical/utility watch created, originated from practical use cases, such as exploration, trekking and diving?

Watches sold to THIS day have functionality that is meant for exploration, diving and extreme events, but it is all a fashion statement.

While I am sure there will be people that make the most of the pratical use cases the AW Ultra offers, the majority of people buying this will be for that rugged/tougher look. I am 100% confident we will start seeing people making fashion statements with it, this will be seen as much cooler then those gold edition watches they sold
I really don’t like the rugged/tougher look, but I have one on order for the bigger screen (text), brighter screen, and battery life…
 
Also, while some divers might get the watch, it can’t replace a dive computer until it can connect to an O2 tank and tell you how much air you have left.
A) The Ultra is a competent dive computer.
B) Divers never use O2, because pure oxygen becomes toxic at ~30' depth. Divers use compressed air, Nitrox or some other mixed gases.
c) Although they can be fine devices, most sport divers do not use tank-attached computers.
 


Garmin has reacted to Apple's new rugged Apple Watch Ultra, saying in a tweet following the iPhone 14 and Apple Watch event that it measures battery life in "months" and "not hours," promoting its latest Enduro 2 watch for athletes.

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While the Apple Watch Ultra has the longest battery life of any Apple Watch to date, with Apple promising up to 36 hours of normal use and up to 60 hours with watchOS 9's new Low Power Mode setting and other optimizations, the Enduro 2 can last significantly longer depending on usage scenarios.


Despite Garmin's claim that it measures battery life in months, the company actually advertises the Enduro 2 as having "up to 150 hours of battery life in GPS mode with solar charging" and "up to 34 days of battery life in smartwatch mode." The Enduro 2 has a 1.4-inch solar-powered display, compared to the nearly 2-inch display on the Apple Watch Ultra that can reach a peak brightness of 2,000 nits, the brightest ever in an Apple Watch.

The Apple Watch Ultra also has a wide range of advanced sensors, including the ability to take an ECG, measure blood oxygen level, alerts for high and low heart rates, and a new body temperature sensor focusing on women's health.

The Apple Watch Ultra is offered in a 49mm case and costs $799, while the Enduro 2 costs $1,099. The Apple Watch Ultra was made available for pre-order earlier this week and will begin shipping on Friday, September 23.

Article Link: Garmin Reacts to Apple Watch Ultra: 'We Measure Battery Life in Months. Not Hours.'
I just pre-ordered the Apple Watch Ultra and I have a Garmin InReach. I‘m excited about extended battery life claims and their implications for when I’m in the backcountry. I do question some of Garmin’s battery claim. My inReach mini is supposed to last up to 30 days, I see it run down in 2-5 days. I will be testing out the low power mode on both the iPhone 14 Pro and the Apple Watch Ultra. If I can save on carrying chargers into the back country that will be great!
 
I really don’t like the rugged/tougher look, but I have one on order for the bigger screen (text), brighter screen, and battery life…
I hear ya. I not crazy about the loss either. The one feature that I really, really like is the addition of that third customizable button. The other nice feature is a more accurate GPS receiver. Other than that, I don’t care for any of the others features.

Hmm…not getting one though. Lol. Sigh.
 
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Even a regular Apple watch has no problem playing music while running a five hour marathon (I was injured one year and had my worst time ever... shouldn't have run it), so I'm sure the Ultra would have no problem.
Watch Ultra should ~ double the that to 10h of running with music. Should outlast 99% of runners.

And if you are the 1% runner, you might consider taking iPhone with you and end up with a lot more battery life (assuming music will be streamed from phone and GPS measurement can be delegated to phone).
 
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