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I'm all set up with Hue bulbs through my whole house. All I've ever wanted is to be able to say "Hey Siri turn out all of the lights" as I go to bed and have it be so.

Why is it taking 2 years for Apple to release Homekit properly?!

My neighbor and good friend is writing the new bridge firmware for homekit. Bad news for all of us with hue, we will need a new bridge in order to integrate with homekit when compete. I am just as frustrated since I bought my hue after the announcement that it would integrate so now I will have to buy another bridge.. Grrrr.

I have the hue bridge and 4 lightbulbs. As soon as Homekit was announced I stopped buying until the integration was real. I am not investing any more money into something that may or may not integrate. When someone puts out a strong product that integrates into HomeKit, I will invest in that. At this point Philips is losing business because I bet there are a lot of folks like me sitting on the sideline waiting for someone to get it right. And they are at huge risk if they don't put something out soon. There are several vendors that are doing lights that are competative with Hue and which ever gets out there first with the integration is going to get the pent up demand.

I am ready to dump Hue if someone puts out a strong product that integrates into Homekit. Limitless LED, Lifx, MisFit Bolt, and WeMo are all option that could grap the lead if they build something that works first.

Who ever ends up getting my business will have a solution that integrates with HomeKit and dumps the bridge.
 
So it's like f.lux built right into the lightbulb? That would be awesome.
 
Does anyone know if the light bulbs are Z-Wave compatible?

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Or you can just do it from your Apple watch like how I do it
https://youtu.be/WqixyC6OyPw

Oh I will! My watch shows up tomorrow and I'm definitely going to put it to this use!

Even now the situation isn't "dire". My phone is in a dock on my nightstand so I just reach over and swipe down and use the notification screen Hue widget to turn off all the lights.

But my point is that it SHOULD work with Siri! :)

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My neighbor and good friend is writing the new bridge firmware for homekit. Bad news for all of us with hue, we will need a new bridge in order to integrate with homekit when compete. I am just as frustrated since I bought my hue after the announcement that it would integrate so now I will have to buy another bridge.. Grrrr.

That's not the way it's supposed to work. The AppleTV is supposed to be the bridge between your devices and their individual hubs. So you will say "Hey Siri turn out the lights" and your phone will tell your AppleTV to turn out the lights... Then the ATV signals your Hue hub to turn out the lights. So it "shouldn't" require anything new... but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

If it does, I won't even be mad though. I'll just buy the new hub and enjoy the new capability ;-)

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Well, I was an early Hue adopter, and I maintain that you may be placing the blame in the wrong place. My question, based on my largely disappointing experience with Hue would be, "Why is it taking Philips so long to get their stuff HomeKit enabled?"

Hue has been a kludge from day one, and while I didn't expect it to be the end all, be all as soon as I bought it I really thought and hoped Philips would have made better strides with it than they have.

Nope: we're all still waiting for Apple to deliver an updated AppleTV that's supposed to act as the "superhub" to control everything for Homekit. That's what's gumming up the works...
 
Nope: we're all still waiting for Apple to deliver an updated AppleTV that's supposed to act as the "superhub" to control everything for Homekit. That's what's gumming up the works...

I sincerely doubt that's why accessary makers are waiting. The protocol is completely finished (hell apple even hosted a special event for home kit makers). Though...maybe Apple will have a very long introduction along the lines of "home kit is able to drive X number of devices...and they start shipping today" at WWDC.
 
is this my inevitable house?

Outside it or inside it? B/c one is considered homeless and the other is trespassing. :rolleyes:

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I've gotta say this is a pretty big gimmick. Our bodies produce very little melatonin to begin with and its natually regulated (huh, what do you know, a self sustained human being. Amazing isnt it :rolleyes:)

Quit shoving artifical light in your face after dark and you'll sleep just fine.
 
Outside it or inside it? B/c one is considered homeless and the other is trespassing. :rolleyes:

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I've gotta say this is a pretty big gimmick. Our bodies produce very little melatonin to begin with and its natually regulated (huh, what do you know, a self sustained human being. Amazing isnt it :rolleyes:)

Quit shoving artifical light in your face after dark and you'll sleep just fine.

It is rather amusing. Replace al the lightbulbs, but you're probably still gonna veg out in front of your TV, Laptop, tablet, or phone to stimulate your photoreceptors with the blue light anyway...
 
Innovation or solution looking for problem? I think more of the latter...technology overshoot. My lights work fine. They are cheap, stupid, and when I flip the switch they go on/off. All requirements met.
 
I have never had the desire to change the color of any bulbs/lights in my house, other than to dim them. The blue light/melatonin thing thing is a bit odd since many of my bulbs are in fixtures where the light produced from the bulb never directly shines on me anyway. I don't get it.
 
Innovation or solution looking for problem? I think more of the latter...technology overshoot. My lights work fine. They are cheap, stupid, and when I flip the switch they go on/off. All requirements met.

you're requiring things wrong.

sorry.. couldn't help it. never find this comment very amusing :/
 
Homekit has been released properly...manufacturers are just slow to get it out...until June that is ;)

That doesn't seem to be the feedback from manufacturers so far. The client software seems to have been released, but the bit that need to be integrated into hardware devices seem to have been a no-show.
 
I'm definitely interested in buying something like this, but given how many lights I have in my house the price definitely needs to come down to under $10/bulb. I understand that not every light in the home needs bulbs like this, but even still it's quite a lot to replace. I just bought my first LED bulbs the other day to replace, over time, my CFLs that seem to die so quickly now compared to the earlier generations, and I'm quite pleased with the results. They were about $5/bulb but the output is crazy. However I might need to go with a lower lumen level for the bedroom.
 
Innovation or solution looking for problem? I think more of the latter...technology overshoot. My lights work fine. They are cheap, stupid, and when I flip the switch they go on/off. All requirements met.

That's all they do? If your requirements are binary, that may be enough.

Some people need lights that can be dimmed. Some people need a switch in more than one place, such as at either end of a long hallway or at the top and bottom of a flight of stairs. Some people need lights to come on automatically based on time of day, or when it gets dark, or when someone walks into a room. Some people need to remotely control lights. These aren't your needs, of course. You only need stupid lights.

There are solutions to each of these needs, but it doesn't mean those solutions can't be improved upon. And one improvement is bringing the control of various aspects of your home to a single interface, where you can manage any light, thermostat, door or window, motion detector, garage door, water heater, or coffee maker (to list a few) from a tablet or phone.

You'll still have switches, because who want's to mess with a tablet just to turn on the porch light if you're standing by the front door? The tablet is for checking the status of the porch light, and whether the door is locked, and who is knocking, when you're in bed---at your brother's house in another city, when the cheap, stupid light switch is not convenient at all.

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I have never had the desire to change the color of any bulbs/lights in my house, other than to dim them. The blue light/melatonin thing thing is a bit odd since many of my bulbs are in fixtures where the light produced from the bulb never directly shines on me anyway. I don't get it.
The reflected light that reaches your eyes could still affect your mood, just as sunlight that doesn't shine directly on you does. These bulbs could be useful in internal rooms that don't get much natural light, as well as in winter months when the days are not as long.

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What people want is for lights to turn on as soon as the Garage door opens so the lights will be on as soon as you get into the house. Plus timed lights when you are not home too.
What people want is not one single thing. Having house lights turn on as soon as you open the garage might be right for you, but then again, you might disturb people in the house who are sleeping or watching TV or making out in the living room and already have the lights set exactly where they want them.
 
Oh I will! My watch shows up tomorrow and I'm definitely going to put it to this use!

Even now the situation isn't "dire". My phone is in a dock on my nightstand so I just reach over and swipe down and use the notification screen Hue widget to turn off all the lights.

But my point is that it SHOULD work with Siri! :)

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That's not the way it's supposed to work. The AppleTV is supposed to be the bridge between your devices and their individual hubs. So you will say "Hey Siri turn out the lights" and your phone will tell your AppleTV to turn out the lights... Then the ATV signals your Hue hub to turn out the lights. So it "shouldn't" require anything new... but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

If it does, I won't even be mad though. I'll just buy the new hub and enjoy the new capability ;-)

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Nope: we're all still waiting for Apple to deliver an updated AppleTV that's supposed to act as the "superhub" to control everything for Homekit. That's what's gumming up the works...

Tell us where Apple has stated that he Apple TV will be the hub of the HomeKit environment. Not sure I've ever seen that divulged.
 
Clarification - although the new HomeKit-compatible lights may change this:

GE's "Align" lights are *NOT* color-changing lights that change their hue through the day. They are just a pair of different-hue lights for different purposes. One "AM" light that has a lot of blue, one "PM" light that doesn't. They specifically recommend using "the AM light instead of your regular light" in the morning, and "the PM light instead of your regular light" in the evening.

Really, they should make it a single color-change bulb that shifts hue automatically, but for now it doesn't. Hopefully the HomeKit integrated-version will do that.
 
My neighbor and good friend is writing the new bridge firmware for homekit. Bad news for all of us with hue, we will need a new bridge in order to integrate with homekit when compete. I am just as frustrated since I bought my hue after the announcement that it would integrate so now I will have to buy another bridge.. Grrrr.

Hopefully they allow discounts for upgrading to a new bridge... or allow trade ins... or allow sending in the current bridge to get it upgraded to the new bridge internals...
 
if homekit is anything like apple new products it will be very limited to what I have now and be buggy. I don't want to have to pay extra for stuff that works with homekit.
 
I have the hue bridge and 4 lightbulbs. As soon as Homekit was announced I stopped buying until the integration was real. I am not investing any more money into something that may or may not integrate. When someone puts out a strong product that integrates into HomeKit, I will invest in that. At this point Philips is losing business because I bet there are a lot of folks like me sitting on the sideline waiting for someone to get it right. And they are at huge risk if they don't put something out soon. There are several vendors that are doing lights that are competative with Hue and which ever gets out there first with the integration is going to get the pent up demand.

I am ready to dump Hue if someone puts out a strong product that integrates into Homekit. Limitless LED, Lifx, MisFit Bolt, and WeMo are all option that could grap the lead if they build something that works first.

Who ever ends up getting my business will have a solution that integrates with HomeKit and dumps the bridge.


I'm hoping that the delay in anything HomeKit means they are really thinking things through and we will get a great top to bottom integrated solution to home automation that doesn't require many thousands of dollars by homeowners to purchase and install. If automation is going to more than double the price of a bulb then I'll just wait and get HomeKit capable wall dimmers rather than bulbs.

I've also not been impressed with the output of any "smart bulb" so far. They say a certain lumen output, but compared with other bulbs the "smart bulb" is always noticeably dimmer. Granted I've not tried them in my own home, but I know a few people who had hue bulbs for awhile and eventually put them in rarely used fixtures with "dumb bulbs" going back in the frequently used ones that previously contained the hue bulbs... Mostly because they were found to not be bright enough.

The only devices in my house or cabin that could be considered "smart" are my Ecobee3s and a "flood stop" device in the cabin (furnace failure caused burst pipes which caused $31K in damage). I don't think I've changed my thermostat temperatures/programming since I installed them, despite having an app to do it from anywhere.

I'd love to have window blinds that were aware of the sun's position to open and close to give the furnace a hand in keeping the house cool/warm. That would actually save me money/time. But right now that class of window blind is out of my budget's reach.
 
Why is it taking 2 years for Apple to release Homekit properly?!

youre thinking about it wrong -- apple already released HK and their part is done. now it's up to third-party hardware vendors to implement it. thats the hold up. ask Phillips, not Apple, why that is.
 
That's not nitpicking! Fixed that typo, thank you. Someone get on that color charging thing though.

There’s a shareware app called Flux that I use, it’s great. I’ve been looking for an app that does the same for iOS without a jailbreak.
Fantastic idea though.
 
If this ever happens, it's going to take a LONG time for it to work well and be cost-effective. :(

no it wont. it's already cost-effective. im just a normal guy and im using products like GE's in my normal house, at prices far, far less than they used to be when these were reserved to rich-guy smart-houses.

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Just what the world needs... another "connected" light bulb going for asinine amounts of money...

they arent that high. maybe to a college kid in a dorm or something, but when you own a home, you get used to spending money on it. a couple hundred bucks for a smart-lighting set up is no biggie. less than a lawnmower.

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What people want is for lights to turn on as soon as the Garage door opens so the lights will be on as soon as you get into the house. Plus timed lights when you are not home too.

the Hue system i use can do much of this -- you can set geo-fences to turn on when you get home, and schedules. i personally just use schedules -- certain lights come on at certain times, and change their hot/cool warmth and brightness down at certain times of the night. its great.

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That's not the way it's supposed to work. The AppleTV is supposed to be the bridge between your devices and their individual hubs. So you will say "Hey Siri turn out the lights" and your phone will tell your AppleTV to turn out the lights... Then the ATV signals your Hue hub to turn out the lights. So it "shouldn't" require anything new... but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Nope: we're all still waiting for Apple to deliver an updated AppleTV that's supposed to act as the "superhub" to control everything for Homekit. That's what's gumming up the works...

thats speculation. apple has never announced that the ATV is or will be the new hub.

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Innovation or solution looking for problem? I think more of the latter...technology overshoot. My lights work fine. They are cheap, stupid, and when I flip the switch they go on/off. All requirements met.

dont assume that just because it's not your use case doesnt mean it's not a valid use case for others. it's a desirable solution to the valid smart home problem/use-case on my end.
 
You'll still have switches, because who want's to mess with a tablet just to turn on the porch light if you're standing by the front door?

In the U.S., the answer to this is not really, those switches have to stay on.

You'd have to suplement the wall switches with wireless controllers of some kind. (I believe the Hue lights at least remember their last state for when they are turned off hard)

The reason is because Lutron holds a patent on home automation switches that communicate their status back to a central controller if they are toggled locally. (yes, face-palm time)
In the U.S, to get around this patent, the controller has to poll, and with current wireless tech, results in an update rate of 5-10 seconds.

So, if the poll gets the correct value first time, 5-10 seconds after you press the switch, the related fixtures turn on. (The hard-wired one goes on instantly).

This is why we're seeing so many replacement smart bulbs instead of replacement wall switches.

Z-Wave switch by G.E. $50 (street price $40)
Z-Wave switch by Cooper $100 (street price $90)
Only this second one has the Lutron patented function enabled.

Users in Europe are enjoying home automation more than us in the US because the simple first step home automation (press this existing light switch, and a bunch of lights change) is possible.
 
if homekit is anything like apple new products it will be very limited to what I have now and be buggy. I don't want to have to pay extra for stuff that works with homekit.

oh please. my new rMBP and new iphone work fine and arent buggy at all. enough w/ the FUD.
 
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