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Hmm but what will all those “professionals” complain about now that their word processors start up quicker? I’m sure the majority of professionals were really struggling without the 32gb ram and six cores .

Simple tasks like work processing startups are not the goal. No one would really notice any difference. Most would be focused on video editing/encoding and gaming
 
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What are The objective complaints about the screen? You want 4K?
3360x2100. It's an embarrassment that Apple opted to use a non-native resolution to achieve a good amount of screen space on the 15" MacBook Pro, rather than engineering a higher-res panel to make that resolution native and displayed crisp at 1:1.

2880x1800 was all we could ask for in 2012, but that is no longer true 2018.
Price...give me a break. They are always on the higher end, but you get what you pay for and you don’t have to use Windows. Software is something people don’t consider enough in price.
You forget how much more expensive the 2016 MacBook Pro was made compared to the models from 2015 and before. Main justification for it was the Touch Bar, which a lot of people don't feel is worth the extra money.
 
3360x2100. It's an embarrassment that Apple opted to use a non-native resolution to achieve a good amount of screen space on the 15" MacBook Pro, rather than engineering a higher-res panel to make that resolution native and displayed crisp at 1:1.

2880x1800 was all we could ask for in 2012, but that is no longer true 2018.

You forget how much more expensive the 2016 MacBook Pro was made compared to the models from 2015 and before. Main justification for it was the Touch Bar, which a lot of people don't feel is worth the extra money.
I challenge you to objectively see the difference in resolution, particularly on the fantastic color reproduced Apple displays.
 
I think this is awesome - Can anyone comment on how hot these get? and battery-life?

I'd prefer something similar in a nTB.
 
It's about time something good finally happens to the Mac industry.
This MBP is perfect except two major points :
1. Price is up to the roof even on the base config.
2. Graphics performance. macOS relies so heavily on GPU performance that I can't believe they still go with integrated solutions anymore.

Can't say about the butterfly keyboard, never really tried it.

Next up : new chin-less iMac 30-in? :)
 
I was looking at the wrong scores in this instance but A chips have been faster than intel chips recently.

A-series chips have been faster than some Intel chips. But you gotta clarify which ones.

There's no doubt that Apple's silicon is amazing in their mobile devices... handily beating Intel's low-power chips and chips from rival Snapdragon.

But we're looking at desktop-class chips here.

I don't think anyone is ready to replace quad-core or six-core Intel chips with ARM chips just yet.

But the future looks bright for sure. I'm interested to see what Apple can do with a new A-series chip for a laptop that is actually designed for the thermal characteristics and huge battery of a laptop.

You're right... Apple's chips are fast... but it doesn't wholly prove your blanket statement "faster than Intel chips recently" :p
 
A-series chips have been faster than some Intel chips. But you gotta clarify which ones.

There's no doubt that Apple's silicon is amazing in their mobile devices... handily beating Intel's low-power chips and chips from rival Snapdragon.

But we're looking at desktop-class chips here.

I don't think anyone is ready to replace quad-core or six-core Intel chips with ARM chips just yet.

But the future looks bright for sure. I'm interested to see what Apple can do with a new A-series chip for a laptop that is actually designed for the thermal characteristics and huge battery of a laptop.

You're right... Apple's chips are fast... but it doesn't wholly prove your blanket statement "faster than Intel chips recently" :p

It’s hard to tell, isn’t it? It’s never been tested. If you constrain Intel’s chips to run in the power band ands thermals that the A series has to run in, it’s not even a competition. What hasn’t been established is what Apple could push their designs to do sitting in a nice big box with active cooling, without those thermal and power constraints.

Edit: to be clear, I’m not saying they could win that battle. I’m saying, it’s not something that’s actually been put to the test.
 
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That seems highly unlikely at least for the current gen of CPUs. Non-touchbar Macbook pro uses 15 watt CPU with Iris graphics which 8th gen CPU line-up doesn't have any equivalent of.

I still think Apple would do well to update to the new 8th gen 15W CPUs with Intel UHD (or God forbid NVidia MX150) GPU.
 
I challenge you to objectively see the difference in resolution, particularly on the fantastic color reproduced Apple displays.
I understand the color reproduction and brightness / contrast ratio are better compared to my MacBook Pro from 2012, but after spending $2,399 or more I really expect a better resolution as well. You can notice a difference in sharpness using a scaled resolution vs. native, even at such a high pixel density.
 
I understand the color reproduction and brightness / contrast ratio are better compared to my MacBook Pro from 2012, but after spending $2,399 or more I really expect a better resolution as well. You can notice a difference in sharpness using a scaled resolution vs. native, even at such a high pixel density.
Really? I think with a 15 inch screen, you’re going to be hard pressed to see anything objective in most day to day scenarios.
 
What are The objective complaints about the screen? You want 4K?

Price...give me a break. They are always on the higher end, but you get what you pay for and you don’t have to use Windows. Software is something people don’t consider enough in price.


What’s wrong with 500 Nits and wide color p3?
 
Really? I think with a 15 inch screen, you’re going to be hard pressed to see anything objective in most day to day scenarios.
Have you compared the sharpness of 1680x1050 to 1440x900 on your own 2016 or later MacBook Pro? Keeping in mind that of course it varies from person-to-person, some people will notice it more than others. (I have done so on my 2012, and there is a difference.)

But the way I see it is this: using a non-native resolution to achieve a decent amount of screen space on a Retina display is ok, but not $2,399 in 2018 ok. There's definitely a distinction between usable and good value-for-money, and I won't buy a product I know is overpriced for what I'm getting.
 
It’s hard to tell, isn’t it? It’s never been tested. If you constrain Intel’s chips to run in the power band ands thermals that the A series has to run in, it’s not even a competition. What hasn’t been established is what Apple could push their designs to do sitting in a nice big box with active cooling, without those thermal and power constraints.

Edit: to be clear, I’m not saying they could win that battle. I’m saying, it’s not something that’s actually been put to the test.

Exactly.

That's why I said I'm interested to see what Apple could do making their own chip specifically for a laptop. It could be a monster! :)
 
Hmm but what will all those “professionals” complain about now that their word processors start up quicker? I’m sure the majority of professionals were really struggling without the 32gb ram and six cores .
Frankly, i had 2012 rMBP with quadcore 2.7 (max) and 16GB ram, and i got dropouts in logic pro x with my larger projects... and up until now, upgrading to a slightly better quadcore and 16gb ram wasn't really upgrading.

i've been waiting for this exact setup and am going to buy it as soon as i can.
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It's a good refresh at a good time, but there are still some valid complaints to make, like the screen res and price tag.

The A10X scores just under 10,000, while this year's 13" MBP scores over 15,000.

wow. And passive cooling. How??!

I agree about the screen, they could've upgraded PPI to 1680*1050 @2x, since its the default used resolution those are shipped with..
 
Let’s see thermal performance under sustained load before we go nuts.

On another note, I’m glad the 13” is finally the powerhouse it deserved to be. Always knew a quad-core in one of those would make it possibly the best buy of the bunch. Once LPDDR4 comes out, it’ll be golden. I’m thoroughly a desktop man now but it’s great to see the MacBook Pro kicking ass again. 2011 15” was my former Mac and it was a beast.
 
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