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Thats something I didnt think about. I do like the swipe up to close apps, its the one thing I loved about HP's webOS, but you are right; if you have 40 or so apps open, you would have to scroll across 39 of them if you just want to close the last one. I still prefer the new system, but I think its something they can improve on.

The '40 apps open and needing to scroll across' wasn't my issue. I've lost count of how many times I've flicked to close an app only to find it scrolling to the left or right.
 
What I find most unbelievable about this thread is your numbers. 71 individuals playing with your phone for, let's say, 35 minutes each is just under 42 hours total. And all over the span of 5 days?

Not only do I find it difficult to believe that you stood around while others played with your phone for the equivalent of an entire workweek, I also find it hard to believe that you found 71 people willing to do so for 30-45 minutes at a time, especially in a way that would provide useful feedback about the interface, i.e. not simply playing games or browsing the web.
 
The '40 apps open and needing to scroll across' wasn't my issue. I've lost count of how many times I've flicked to close an app only to find it scrolling to the left or right.

Oh I see what youre saying, so when swiping up, it sometimes mistakes it for swiping to the sides? I hope its just a beta bug that gets resolved. It would suck if the opposite happened, swiping to the sides and it accidentally closing apps that you needed open.

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What I find most unbelievable about this thread is your numbers. 71 individuals playing with your phone for, let's say, 35 minutes each is just under 42 hours total. And all over the span of 5 days?

Not only do I find it difficult to believe that you stood around while others played with your phone for the equivalent of an entire workweek, I also find it hard to believe that you found 71 people willing to do so for 30-45 minutes at a time, especially in a way that would provide useful feedback about the interface, i.e. not simply playing games or browsing the web.

Why is that hard to believe? I spend that much time at work every week. He could have easily gone around, lending his phone to different co-wokers, go about his work and return in 30 minutes to give them a form to fill out. He didnt necessarily stand there the whole time waiting. And even so, if someone were devoted to scientifically getting feedback, I see no issue with a person devoting most, if not all, of their active day to seek out responses.

Id just be worried about them going through my texts and personal files; there are some, lets say... inappropriate... texts and images on my phone, to say the least.
 
What I find most unbelievable about this thread is your numbers. 71 individuals playing with your phone for, let's say, 35 minutes each is just under 42 hours total. And all over the span of 5 days?

Not only do I find it difficult to believe that you stood around while others played with your phone for the equivalent of an entire workweek, I also find it hard to believe that you found 71 people willing to do so for 30-45 minutes at a time, especially in a way that would provide useful feedback about the interface, i.e. not simply playing games or browsing the web.

This is the first thing I thought. Who goes around conducting a personal experiment like this? Personally speaking if I went round friends and family asking them to do this they would probably think I was really weird. Unless you actually are openly weird and so they were already past that hurdle? lol
 
This is the first thing I thought. Who goes around conducting a personal experiment like this? Personally speaking if I went round friends and family asking them to do this they would probably think I was really weird. Unless you actually are openly weird and so they were already past that hurdle? lol

Haha :D
 
While I like iOS 7, I personally feel that Apple should have tackled these changes more incrementally.

They are going for the big splash of "wow, this is new and exciting" which is always risky, though I have little doubt that people will adapt in this case.

I think the biggest challenge is that they are moving from an interface that has been tested and tweaked for 5+ years to something completely new. It will take some time to achieve the same status.

Honestly, I think this IS what they are going for. iOS7 -LOOKS- differently, but fundamentally, it isn't. If I close my eyes, I can navigate and work my phone exactly the same way I did in iOS6. UI first, function second - Apple might just be going in more then one step for overhauling the OS, because it really isn't overhauled yet.
 
This is the first thing I thought. Who goes around conducting a personal experiment like this? Personally speaking if I went round friends and family asking them to do this they would probably think I was really weird. Unless you actually are openly weird and so they were already past that hurdle? lol

This made me laugh :D
 
I decided on selecting a multi-demographical group of friends, family, colleagues, etc., roughly 71 individuals over a five day period. I allowed each to use my iPhone 5 for a half hour (some 45 min's), and had them fill out a short answer survey.

OP, can you post the survey questions you made these 71 people answer?
 
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Why is that hard to believe? I spend that much time at work every week. He could have easily gone around, lending his phone to different co-wokers, go about his work and return in 30 minutes to give them a form to fill out. He didnt necessarily stand there the whole time waiting. And even so, if someone were devoted to scientifically getting feedback, I see no issue with a person devoting most, if not all, of their active day to seek out responses.

Id just be worried about them going through my texts and personal files; there are some, lets say... inappropriate... texts and images on my phone, to say the least.

Yes, I also spend that much time at work, but myself and my coworkers tend to spend it...working, which generally doesn't involve wasting 40+ hours of total productivity on a non-related personal project.

Do you honestly think you could walk around your building and find 71 people to play with YOUR phone for 30 - 45 minutes in 5 days? All to evaluate a product that you did not develop and have no vested personal interest in? I might be able to find a group of people interested enough to tinker for 5 - 10 minutes and provide an initial reaction, but I wouldn't imagine much beyond that.

Plus what is someone going to do on someone else's phone for 30 to 45 minutes?
 
Gotta love how people's lack of exposure or imagination makes them think they have figured out sort of an important loophole in relation to this. You do realize there are people who work in all kinds of jobs and working environments even in design specifically where it's even part of their job to research new devices and user interfaces and they do all kinds of studies all the time. There are also people in academia who do similar small or large official or unofficial studies or research to look at new technologies or designs, etc.

Just because you can't think hard enough to see how this kind of stuff is not only not unusual but is actually fairly common doesn't mean that there's necessarily something odd or weird about it (it could just very well mean that you simply aren't thinking hard enough or perhaps really much at all when it comes to at least certain things). :rolleyes:
 
Yes, I also spend that much time at work, but myself and my coworkers tend to spend it...working, which generally doesn't involve wasting 40+ hours of total productivity on a non-related personal project.

Do you honestly think you could walk around your building and find 71 people to play with YOUR phone for 30 - 45 minutes in 5 days? All to evaluate a product that you did not develop and have no vested personal interest in? I might be able to find a group of people interested enough to tinker for 5 - 10 minutes and provide an initial reaction, but I wouldn't imagine much beyond that.

Plus what is someone going to do on someone else's phone for 30 to 45 minutes?

We dont know anything about the guy or where he works or if he even does (no offense). I and several of my coworkers spend quite some time with not much to do at work, waiting on information and data from other coworkers or contractors. And we dont have to assume all 71 are from 1 place (either all 71 are family, friends, coworkers) that 71 is likely to be a mix of family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, maybe even random strangers. We dont know.

We are all criticizing based on speculation. Instead of being negative and doubting him, Im giving him the BOTD. Because there are 120 hours in 5 days, 40 for sleeping, that's 80 hours to do whatever he needs. Mathematically, its possible. I dont know why it wouldnt be possible to get 71 reviews in 80 hours.

Well I can only speak for myself here, but if someone came to me with an OS or device they wanted me to test that isnt on the market yet, I would be glad to. Besides, not all of them probably spent 30 minutes on it, do you want the OP to list the 71 different times they spent on it? 30-45 is probably an average.

The OP is leaving a lot open to assumptions. But just because of your or my lifestyle/preference we wouldnt interview 71 people in an 120 hour period, doesnt mean its not possible for anyone else. Billions of people in the world, 1 of them can be devoted to tasks such as these. Not everyone behaves the same way, and we cant assume they do either.
 
Since he decided to share this experiment here its open for criticism (or praise) IMO. I do think its a bit odd that someone would do this. I know if I asked my coworkers or friends to do something like this they'd look at me like I was nuts. If I was an app developer and had created a new iOS app and I asked them to test it that would be a different story - because I'd be asking for their opinion on something I created, not something created by a stranger.
 
Since he decided to share this experiment here its open for criticism (or praise) IMO. I do think its a bit odd that someone would do this. I know if I asked my coworkers or friends to do something like this they'd look at me like I was nuts. If I was an app developer and had created a new iOS app and I asked them to test it that would be a different story - because I'd be asking for their opinion on something I created, not something created by a stranger.
Perhaps in your line of work, way of life, etc., etc., etc., something like this might be somewhat unusual, but there can be others (and even quite a few) where something like this wouldn't be. Nothing usual about that really given that there are so many people out there with so many different lifestyles, jobs, work environments, learning environments, etc., etc., etc.
 
Funny, I've experienced the exact opposite reactions when showing family and friends iOS 7. I've heard so many people say "OHHH! Can you put that on my phone!!?"
 
Perhaps in your line of work, way of life, etc., etc., etc., something like this might be somewhat unusual, but there can be others (and even quite a few) where something like this wouldn't be. Nothing usual about that really given that there are so many people out there with so many different lifestyles, jobs, work environments, learning environments, etc., etc., etc.

I guess. But I still think its odd. I can understand Apple brining in people to do testing and provide feedback (which 9to5Mac claims they're doing) but I don't get why anyone else would. For what purpose?
 
I guess. But I still think its odd. I can understand Apple brining in people to do testing and provide feedback (which 9to5Mac claims they're doing) but I don't get why anyone else would. For what purpose?
To gather some feedback and experience as far as people's perception to changes or actual changes in iOS 7. Lots of companies might be developing for iOS or might have some ideas based on various Apple interface designs or even general designs, and it's simply in their best interest to get people's views and takes on them as something new is coming out. Or even in academia there's always research as far as cognitive science, interface design, general software design, etc., where new things are always studied left and right, so to say.

I'm not saying that is or isn't the case here necessarily, but there's certainly a lot of possibilities and more likely probabilities for all kinds of things of this nature.
 
I am convinced that at least 30 of those 57 individuals will began to change their mind within 3 weeks of constant use. Initial impressions of anything that has substantially changed, especially something as engrained as the previous iOS, will always be met with negativity.

Slowly, through heavy use, more and more 'non-tech savvy' people will come to love iOS 7.

I thought the same, and had a few use an old 4S for a few days. Additionally, I've been using it since day 1, as well as Pixar and Cupertino friends who were one of many cheering at the keynote. No b.s., they're disappointed still.

Some may change their minds, but when Apple and Pixar corp. employees excited about the release have grown to either hate it or disregard it, that's not a good sign. I like it, I'm indifferent. The current changes are good, and adjusting/increasing contrast in Settings makes a big difference. The features are long overdue. However, I do agree it is over simplified. Removing the skeuomorphism was well overdue, however I think this change could have been handled better if it were more gradual instead of such a severe overhaul.

Just my .02 cents :)

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Since he decided to share this experiment here its open for criticism (or praise) IMO. I do think its a bit odd that someone would do this.

It is far from odd, why do you think Apple sends out Apple Seed invites to consumers? I merely wanted to ascertain as many opinions as "I" could regarding the drastic changes to the iOS UI as it has been a major point of contention for so many. Just as my post is open for criticism, so if yours ;).

I guess. But I still think its odd. I can understand Apple brining in people to do testing and provide feedback (which 9to5Mac claims they're doing) but I don't get why anyone else would. For what purpose?

The vast majority of iOS users are not you or me, they're consumers, housewives, business men, the elderly, even kids. My point in my initial post regarding our interpretations will be far different as we are [generally] tech experts; we adapt quicker. The average user is not the same market.

I know if I asked my coworkers or friends to do something like this they'd look at me like I was nuts.

The reason this began for me was due to so many asking to use it after noticing it, not my intentionally going door to door with surveys. I later asked some to answer a few questions over emails, and those were people who truly wanted to give Apple their feedback. As a developer, you should know UI bug reports are taken just as seriously as performance bug reports. Guess I'm "nuts."
 
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You must have some odd coworkers. The reason this began for me was due to so many asking to use it, which prompted making mental notes then taking one step further. As a developer, you should know UI bug reports are taken just as seriously as performance bug reports. Guess I'm "nuts."


I think it's odd you think it's odd ;). Further, why bother taking the time to comment on a thread you think "is odd"? :)

I don't have odd co-workers; we just don't talk about phone operating systems at the watercooler or at lunch. But then again I don't work for a tech company or in an IT shop. Phones aren't normally our topic of conversation. I said I thought it was odd, becaus where I work it would be odd. That's all.
 
The uniformity of the 'reactions' suggests that this 'scientific experiment' was either fudged, exaggerated, or completely fabricated as a way to add veracity to one's own personal opinions.

I'm sorry, you're suggesting that the comments from people other than myself invalidate my post and thus must mean I am lying? Ok. If that makes you sleep better at night, more power to you. :)

I never claimed it was a "scientific experiment," merely observations from friends ASKING to use my iPhone after noticing the U.I. Some used it for a short period, some even overnight on my 4S. It is subjective, however hasn't it always been subjective? What would I gain from "lying"? I just revisited this thread now, I couldn't give two ****s about what anyone believes or agrees with, I merely posted some observations. From your trite and aggressive comment, I'd recommend stepping awaaaaay from the keyboard, take a deep breath, look out your window, and realize, life is too short. :)
 
What I find most unbelievable about this thread is your numbers. 71 individuals playing with your phone for, let's say, 35 minutes each is just under 42 hours total. And all over the span of 5 days?

Not only do I find it difficult to believe that you stood around while others played with your phone for the equivalent of an entire workweek, I also find it hard to believe that you found 71 people willing to do so for 30-45 minutes at a time, especially in a way that would provide useful feedback about the interface, i.e. not simply playing games or browsing the web.

I have a 4S for development and 2 5's. The "5 Days" were for a smattering of which I surveyed via email at their request as they wanted to give Apple their feedback, this was generally over a month.

I find the strong reactions and some calling my post "bs" to be more interesting than anything. It is almost as though they have a defense mechanism kicking in, and feel the need to either defend it as if their mother was insulted, or call my post into question (which is rather extreme).

Regardless, believe it or don't, doesn't matter to me. I merely wanted to to share subjective remarks from general individuals, no need for a Cuban missile crisis response :).
 
Tapping a day with an event takes you to the current time of day making you scroll to find your appointments. In iOS 6 it simply listed appointments simply under the calendar. Very quick access.

OMG, I hope this is just a beta issue and not a design change by Apple. I HATE the Android event calendar and how it takes you to the current time of day. That is the stupidest calendar design and one of the reasons I dumped Android.
 
I don't have odd co-workers; we just don't talk about phone operating systems at the watercooler or at lunch. But then again I don't work for a tech company or in an IT shop. Phones aren't normally our topic of conversation. I said I thought it was odd, becaus where I work it would be odd. That's all.

Makes sense, yet you indirectly inferred I was "nuts." ;)

I know if I asked my coworkers or friends to do something like this they'd look at me like I was nuts. If I was an app developer and had created a new iOS app and I asked them to test it that would be a different story - because I'd be asking for their opinion on something I created, not something created by a stranger.

I did not go around "asking", I was asked by coworkers, friends and family that eventually prompted me to send their remarks on a few short questions at their request.. I do not know why you inferred I set out to conduct a scientific survey at work, it evolved into such.

It seems a few made some serious general conclusions based on a simple subjective observational post. I have since expounded a great deal more on my original post as many took it too extremes, and apologize for the confusion and inconvenience and thus any offense taken by some (not meaning you). :)

God, I need a drink after this
 
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If I did I apologize. :eek: :)

No need. It's all good. I'm here (and I'm sure you are as well, I've seen you around :) ) to [hopefully] help others with questions, newbies to Mac's, and to generally discuss tech as it is one of many things I enjoy in life. It amazes though that some take it so seriously. It takes away from the enjoyment and purpose for many of us being here. :)
 
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