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General Rule with iOS: Don't update from it's intial OS?
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Which has been out for 5 and a half years now, and every machine that can run it can free upgrade to 10.10.
Yeah, but the point is you don't have to upgrade, and you aren't barred from downgrading. I can choose to accept the security risk and run the OS my old device came with. No reason I shouldn't be able to do that on an old iOS device
Where to begin indeed...
This is an odd statement. Every upgrade already is an optional download.
Not to mention that downgrades can be trickier than upgrades technically. Did the user download an app that's not compatible in the old OS, etc etc. This leads to downgrades basically being scratch installs, which would tick people off as well.
Unlike the old days (the really old days, 10-15 years ago), the OS is now home to what people used to call applications. It's a way of bundling functionality so you know everyone has that functionality, and can use it and developers can build upon it.
If you really want a shock, compare the number of processes from Lion to Yosemite - I wouldn't doubt that it has tripled if not more.
Each process competes for CPU cycles; normally this isn't a problem but when your device gets more busy (and that's not necessarily because you've done something, it could be performing a background task), the others compete for what's left.
For example, I find it harder to use the play/pause/forward/back buttons for music on my iPod Touch's lock screen after upgrading to iOS 8. I'm not running any apps or doing anything other than listening to music, but the buttons are harder to activate now.
This is an odd statement. Every upgrade already is an optional download.
Not going to happen as a) security, mentioned elsewhere in this thread and b) it's a huge win for Apple (and developers) over Android to have so many users moving to the new OS quickly, having people being able to downgrade will dilute that.
Not to mention that downgrades can be trickier than upgrades technically. Did the user download an app that's not compatible in the old OS, etc etc. This leads to downgrades basically being scratch installs, which would tick people off as well.
Unlike the old days (the really old days, 10-15 years ago), the OS is now home to what people used to call applications. It's a way of bundling functionality so you know everyone has that functionality, and can use it and developers can build upon it.
If you really want a shock, compare the number of processes from Lion to Yosemite - I wouldn't doubt that it has tripled if not more.
Each process competes for CPU cycles; normally this isn't a problem but when your device gets more busy (and that's not necessarily because you've done something, it could be performing a background task), the others compete for what's left.
For example, I find it harder to use the play/pause/forward/back buttons for music on my iPod Touch's lock screen after upgrading to iOS 8. I'm not running any apps or doing anything other than listening to music, but the buttons are harder to activate now.
You didn't explain anything, you're merely rationalizing Apple's decision. All you said is that downgrades aren't allowed because of security. But those security issues apply to OSX as well, since old versions aren't updated indefinitely.
There is no reason iOS devices shouldn't be allowed to downgrade if macs are allowed to downgrade. Leave it to the user to decide whether or not the security risks and feature loss are worth the speed benefits.
no it isnt. are you unaware of automatic ota downloads?
security updates should both be separate and devices supported longer. its a no win for consumers to have a device that they feel is far from the one that was advertised to them and they purchased. if apple and the developers want everyone to upgrade make them do it because its the best thing not because its forced and they will be without half of the storage.
is a non supported app the only thing you can think of because the majority of the apps i check out support at least 1 version back. and are you comparing the inconvenience of having core apps like the dialer being considerably slower compared to having to redownload snapchat?
just to add i also think apple should improve its backup and restore functions and allow users much better control over what data they want.
i dont actually see this addressing my point which didnt quite come out as i had hoped.
I have an iPad 2 on 7.1.2 and it's fine and I won't install iOS 8.
But what about iPhone 4S? Some people say it's fine but others say the 4S now it's laggy and slow...
BTW I remember when I updated my 3G to iOS4 4 years ago, what a disaster
But what about iPhone 4S? Some people say it's fine but others say the 4S now it's laggy and slow...
BTW I remember when I updated my 3G to iOS4 4 years ago, what a disaster
And the same concept can be applied to iOS which would make that whole "for security reasons" argument moot.
Then how come Apple is still signing 4.1 for pre-A4 devices?
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Sorry?
I think iOS 8 wasn't completely optimized for any of the devices it supported, which explains the glitches on the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus. I even compared speeds with my iPhone 5, and iOS 8 only runs behind by not even a second on an A6 chip, so I can only imagine the A7 alongside the A8. I think RAM and specs are becoming a question for Apple, and if the new iPad Air 2 has 2GB RAM, and a 2.0-2.2GHz processor with iOS 8.1 it could be a way for Apple to see that these internals DO matter, and can provide longevity to iOS Devices. If iOS were to reach the level OS X is at we could see annual releases with longer periods of support with very few features being cut (like OS X has come to) I feel like iOS 8 was a taste of that as Apple cut off only one device instead of the usual two. Either way, I look forward to seeing how iOS 9 runs on even BETTER hardware, because as of late Apple has been lackluster.
Because it's a pain in the arse for developers to support both non-Retina and Retina devices. They're now having to support three different resource sizes thanks to the Retina HD iPhone 6 Plus display - 1x, 2x and 3x.
While i mostly agree, Apple should do more to optimise the iOS on the older devices. iOS 7.1 did make the iPhone 4 run a lot better than iOS 7.0 because it was fine tuned when they re-released the iPhone 4 for the indian market.
Nah, this isn't good advice. Some people have had issues but for the most part you are wise to take upgrades when available. Things get fixed, features get added, and the device gets freshened up a bit.
My experience has been that updates improve whatever device they are installed on.
My experience has been that updates improve whatever device they are installed on.
ios 9 update should be heavily optimised to run on older devices, its inacceptable that a new device gets laggy with each ios update. i mean how heavy and demanding is it? look at android , their new OS kit kat and lollipop are heavily optimised to run on devices as low as 512 ram! and it works gr8! ios devs should be given an iphone 4s to develop ios 9 , then u will see how optimised they can make it. google devs were given a low end device to develop its new OS on. apple should do the same!
Oh dear. They'll just have to deal with it. The iPad 2 and Mini have a massive combined market share.
Then get Android. Just don't expect all third party apps to run smooth, because they won't. Or games, for that matter.
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Nah, they'll be gone by next year update-wise so 1x will cease to exist for new apps built for iOS 9.
Yep.
For all those people having performance issues on iOS 8, a fresh install can make a huge difference.
My iPhone 5 was fairly laggy when I upgraded it to iOS 8, but was nice and fast again when I did a fresh install. It was time; I had been running the same continuous install since 2010 on iOS 4.
Cruft builds up, the system slows down. A fresh install can do wonders.
i don't expect all the party to work well but atleast a stock IOS or Android should runs perfectly! the way i see it, ios has become very laggy and buggy even on newer devices! this is unacceptable when u pay a premium for a phone! u expect a premium quality OS
the thing is ios 8 "premium" is not premium when it is running on iphone 6 and 6 plus. it has too many bugs, not to mention the 8.0.2 little bug that took off the network cellular usage and touch it. if this is your definition of premium OS with a new device, then stick with apple. such bugs should not even be there when u pay for a device for such a premium price. well , if u want to defend apple , its ur choice but u gotta stay objective and give credit where it is due, google is making an amazing thing with android running smooth from the lowest to highest end device. i don't see any reason why apple cannot unless its profit margin gets thinner with optmising older devices so that u feel like u need a new iphone because ur iphone is slower now
Ummm have you looked at the market share for the iPad 2 and iPad Mini 1??
iOS 9 will at least run on the iPad Mini 1. It hasn't even received its 3rd update yet. If iOS 9 runs on the iPad Mini 1, it should also run on the iPad 2 as they're very similar internally.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Apple phase support for the iPad Mini 1st gen out by then. But then I hoped its support would be phased out by now anyway. Seems like the A5 chip isn't something that can be killed so easily.