Genuine vs Knock Off

Discussion in 'Apple Watch Accessories' started by KingOfTas, Sep 26, 2016.

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What is the brand of the watch band(s) you wear most?

  1.  Apple

  2. MoKo

  3. OULUOQI

  4. BRG

  5. Penom

  6. top4cus

  7. Lumnia

  8. Other...

  9. ClockWorkSynergy

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  1. KingOfTas, Sep 26, 2016
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2016

    KingOfTas macrumors newbie

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    Please note: This is *not* a discussion thread. Please do not respond to people's comparison. If you have a conflicting experience, simply post your own review. (You can use the template below). Thanks very much.

    As far as I saw there aren't any threads yet comparing knock offs vs originals.

    I'm curious if there are people who tried MoKo, OULUOQI, BRG, Penom, top4cus, Lumnia, etc and ended up going for the real thing. Or perhaps some folks returned their Apple branded bands and got creative on Amazon, eBay, or somewhere else?

    Below is a poll for people who BOUGHT a similar looking band from both Apple and a third party. Please only vote if you had the chance to compare for instance two milanese loops from two different manufacturers in FIRST person (i.e.: you touched the bands, not just watched a YouTube)

    In the thread discussion, I'd like to have people who bought both a genuine (OEM) and a knock off version and discuss pros and cons of each.

    I've even made a cute little template you can copy/paste.

    Apple [band name] vs. MoKo [band name] [url to purchase item (https://www.amazon.com/MoKo-Milanese-Stainless-Bracelet-Models/dp/B00JP6FMUS/]

    Apple
    PRO
    • good
    • points
    CON
    • bad
    • points
    MoKo
    PRO
    • good
    • points
    CON
    • bad
    • points
    Please try and be as objective as possible.

    Cheers.

    Edited: Added bold instructions at top
     
  2. OllyW Moderator

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    Apple Sport vs. MoKo Sport

    Apple
    PRO
    • Great design, looks good and very comfortable to wear
    • Feels more luxurious than the MoKo knockoff
    CON
    • Too expensive, especially in the UK
    • Limited range of colours
    MoKo
    PRO
    • Looks almost the same as the genuine Apple Sport band
    • Very cheap
    CON
    • Material is thinner and feels lower quality
    • Quality issues (mine arrived with the pin separated)
    • Seems to get more sweaty in use

    It's hard to beat the MoKo for value for money, especially after the recent price hike to Apple products in the UK. The Apple strap is obviously made from higher quality materials but it's very difficult to justify the extra £43 in cost.
     
  3. Relentless Power macrumors Core

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    Be aware, MOKO will NOT back any of their products. Horrendous customer service. This is widespread, not a local opinion. I would rather spend the extra money for quality and support.
     
  4. KingOfTas thread starter macrumors newbie

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    May I thank you both for your valued contributions! Hope more is coming!
     
  5. OllyW Moderator

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    Luckily, Amazon's customer service is really good.

    They gave me a full refund and told me I didn't have to return the faulty goods as it was sold by an external seller who didn't accept returns. As I'm an engineer by trade, I took it in to work and re-riveted the pin back on to the band and I'm wearing it today. :)
     
  6. Relentless Power macrumors Core

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    Agreed with Amazons customer service is stellar. Some of these third party sellers are garbage. I always read reviews first prior to purchasing.
     
  7. doboy macrumors 68000

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    What the heck are you talking about? I had Moko replace one black sports band and $7 Milanese Loop due to slightly weaker magnet compare to another Moko loop I had. Never had that kind of great service on a sub $10 merchandise that you can easily throw away.
     
  8. Brien macrumors 68030

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    None of the third party link bands that I've seen have the precise fit and finish in the lugs that I'd expect - they always poke out too far or not far enough. Hopefully someone can chime in on one that does.
     
  9. KingOfTas thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I'd love to keep all "you're wrong, I'm right" discussions out of this thread and just keep this as a wiki like comparison thread if that's okay with everyone. Cheers
     
  10. BlueGoldAce macrumors 68000

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    Nice thread, let's keep it clean.

    JeTECH black leather loop band

    Pro:

    - ~$20, so cheap
    - genuine leather
    - looks as good as the Apple version (can't tell the difference).
    - magnet is extremely strong.

    Neutral: it feels tougher, aka not as soft, the apple band. But not in an uncomfortable way, it's a very comfortable band. If you want it to be softer, a leather conditioner will soften it up.

    Cons: Not really any here I can think of.

    Leather can be manipulated to feel softer or tougher based on how you treat it. For example, I put mink oil on my blue apple leather iPhone case. This made the color a bit darker, but waterproofed it and seems to prevent scratching. From past experience with leather boots, mink oil can make a worn boot look brand new. Also, if the boot is stiff and uncomfortable, you use a conditioner.

    I say all this because the Apple version of the leather band is very nice, a little softer, but that's it's. The JeTECH is genuine leather, looks just as nice, and the magnet may be stronger. You can manipulate the leather feel and even color, but you can get back the extra $139 you pay for the apple band. Leather wears, and with the price difference, you can buy 8 different leather jetech bands for the same price.
     
  11. pkahleeb macrumors regular

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    Not true in all cases. I bought a MOKO stainless Steel link with ceramic band that had some issues and they refunded me within 2 days of sending in photos.
     
  12. fischersd, Oct 1, 2016
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    MoKo sport bands I found to be way too thin and poor work on the colouring (lighter colour by the connector on 2 of the 3 bands I purchased). Also, far too thin - heard of some people having issues with their bands tearing. (so, I returned them - no issue whatsoever returning them through Amazon).

    Ordered a couple FanTEK bands from Amazon - hoping they're better quality (long shipping times though for standard - coming from China).

    Surprised you don't have ClockWorkSynergy on your list - they're pretty popular here.
     
  13. dwfaust macrumors 601

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    Apple Nylon vs Clockwork Synergy NATO

    • Apple:
    • Pro:
      • Well made
      • Comfortable
    • Con:
      • Limited color choices
      • More expensive
      • Band is "stiffer" than those from other manufacturers
      • Does show signs of wear and fraying
    • Clockwork Synergy:
    • Pro:
      • Well made and durable
      • Better prices, coupon codes almost always available
      • Wider selection of colors and patterns
      • Multiple color options for adapters and buckles
      • Comfortable
    • Con:
      • Different material feels rougher at the beginning, but softens up nicely
     
  14. Relentless Power macrumors Core

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    If you purchased it through Amazon, then Amazon replaced it for you, not MOKo.
     
  15. pkahleeb macrumors regular

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    That is incorrect. I did not speak to Amazon support but directly with Moko. Not only did they refund me, they told me to keep the band and reorder it if I wanted to.
     
  16. fischersd macrumors 601

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    @pkahleeb, @Relentless Power - you're both right. There's different resellers. Some are fulfilled by Amazon, some aren't. They say in the ad.

    Me, I prefer when it is as I've never had any issues dealing with Amazon.
     
  17. KingOfTas thread starter macrumors newbie

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    @fischersd
    ClockWorkSynergy added to poll options. Thanks

    @pkahleeb @Relentless Power @fischersd
    Please: keep this as a wiki like thread with Apple vs third party pro/cons. Any discussions can happen in your own thread or search the forum for existing ones. The goal of this thread is to compare the actual bands, not the CS of the outlets/OEMs selling them.

    Thanks for your cooperation.
     
  18. Relentless Power, Oct 2, 2016
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    That wasn't my point and I asked you a question. How does that make it incorrect? If MOKo assisted you, then great. But they still make a garbage product with poor quality. But you get what you pay for.
    --- Post Merged, Oct 2, 2016 ---

    It's not your responsibility to advise other forum members how to participate in a conversation. You need to advise a moderator, being its their responsibility to advise how to conduct. Please read the forum rules and regulations on this.

    Lastly, We have discussed the quality control issues with Moko in previous posts, with the last being most recent.
     
  19. pkahleeb macrumors regular

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    You said to me: "If you purchased it through Amazon, then Amazon replaced it for you, not MOKo." I responded with that is not correct and provided actual facts of my dealings with Moko through Amazon. You then respond and state that you asked a question? You didn't ask a question. It is okay if you think Moko makes terrible products but that doesn't mean their customer service fails every time.
    --- Post Merged, Oct 2, 2016 ---
    I am responding to discussions taking place on this thread. I apologize if the conversation isn't going the way you want but I don't think there are any specific rules stating that I can't respond to someone when they are misleading or flat out lying.
     
  20. BlueGoldAce macrumors 68000

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    Your not going to succeed it keeping this thread formatted, as you requested. It's just the nature of the forums. Just take the helpful inputs as the come bud. :)
     
  21. dwfaust macrumors 601

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    Adding options to the poll after the "voting" has begun really messes with the integrity of your data. Especially when there is no option for people to change their selections. #FUBAR
     
  22. Relentless Power macrumors Core

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    Great. My opinion still stands. Garbage quality.
     
  23. BlueGoldAce macrumors 68000

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    And My wife has silicon bands from moko that she loves. Great quality for what they are, silicon bands. The price difference is substantial and has to be considered.

    A Lincoln is nicer than a ford, and much more expensive. But they serve the same function. Would you rather buy one Lincoln and 3 fords? Same with the watch bands. There is nothing wrong with either approach.

    But I agree, substantial difference in quality. The fluro whatever plastic substrate is expensive and extremely durable.
     
  24. Relentless Power, Oct 2, 2016
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  25. pkahleeb macrumors regular

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    Why are you participating in Third Party Bands threads when you obviously feel you should only use Apple made bands? 99% of the bands outside of apple are going to be the same "Cheap Chinese crap" as you phrased it.

    Take the crusade elsewhere. We are looking for good deals on bands for our overpriced Apple Watches. I am personally done responding to you because the conversation is going nowhere.
     

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