German Court Throws Out Latest Qualcomm Patent Case Against Apple

Going to be very interesting here when both sides finally have to air their dirty laundry and see who is really at fault.

 

Who is really at fault? Isn't that already obvious?

 

I’ve been keeping up but I’ve read a few interesting things. One says Apple wanted the 1 billion dollar exclusivity rebates. Then 1 says Qualcomm offered it to them.
Also heard that Apple stopped paying when Qualcomm stopped sending them the rebates.
But Apple also knew what was coming down the pipeline, they didn’t want to give Qualcomm a certain percentage per device.. especially when they were about triple iPhone prices..
also makes sense now when you think about it, this is why we had intel modems in AT&T versions of iPhones while Verizon had Qualcomm. Apple was paying more per device for Qualcomm modems. So they wanted Intel modems in as many phones as possible

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after I posted it. I realize that what I said has probably been said many times before. But it just all came together for me lol

 

I don’t like to pass judgment until I have all the facts. What’s really interesting here is that Qualcomm won a ban on the iPhone 7 but at the same time they are facing a lawsuit about anti-competitive practices. Seems like there is blame on both sides here but I’m also starting to believe Qualcomm is becoming trigger happy with lawsuits and is just trying to see how much they can cash in

 

Apple years of lawsuits against other companies are now biting them in their ass. A taste of their own medicine it seems .

 

It’s not about cashing in they are trying inflict enough damage so that Apple start feeling the investor pressure to settle and stop fighting. If Apple hadn’t start fighting Qualcomm these lawsuits would never have happened, they are totally instrumental. The fact that the antitrust trial vs. Qualcomm comes from an independent entity and it’s supported by many companies makes me lean against Qualcomm side honestly.

 

Except Apple is going to win this so not really.

 

Since when did you became a judge? You don’t know anything about patents laws. Don’t make such unfounded assumptions. Because that’s what you are doing.

 

Well they won a temporary ban on the device until the case is settled, that doesn't really mean anyone's guilty of anything. After the news yesterday about Qualcomm not even selling to Apple anymore, if there's a side that's holding a grudge it's obvious.

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For all you know, he could be a patent attorney or even a judge.

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Every single company has years of lawsuits against other companies, just like Apple. Apple is just the one you read about every day.

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Apple did not triple iPhone prices, they didn't even double them. Charging a percentage of a device on something like an iPad Pro with cellular is absolutely absurd though. There is no reason that Qualcomm should be able to charge more than the same price per radio, per company.

 

They actually won a ban based on two patents they acquired specifically for this purpose and for some strange reason apple’s chip supplier was not allowed to present the same evidence that got the case thrown out in the US.

 

Time is not on your side, Qualcomm.

 

If they loose their patent choke hold on the industry I could see Qualcomm loosing Samsung and Huawei for CPU's, not to mention Apple and their stock would get hammered.

Based on testimony it looked like Apple wanted to use them for Xs and Xr, but just needed straight up pricing from them - what a dumb thing to walk away from (on Qualcomm's executive leadership part), the resulting lawsuits going forward may put their whole empire at risk.

 

Since when did you became a judge? You don’t know anything about patents laws. Don’t make such unfounded assumptions. Because that’s what you are doing.

 

It's obvious to everybody.

However, people will disagree _who_ is obviously at fault

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Interesting how you come to that conclusion, since the article is about Apple _winning_ a ruling against Qualcomm.

And a preliminary injunction is very easy to get in Germany. Once there is a decision against Qualcomm, they will have to pay for any lost sales. And they had to set 1.5 billion dollars aside for that, so the ruling judge can directly hand over the money to Apple.

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That ban will be a Pyrrhic victory for Qualcomm, once there is a final ruling on this and Qualcomm has to pay for all damages they caused Apple. It seems they asked their German lawyers if they could win a preliminary injunction, and their lawyers said correctly "Yes" - without telling them the huge financial risks involved.

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It's not a ban. It is a preliminary injunction. In Germany it means they have to deposit money (1.5 billion dollars) to pay for damages to Apple if they don't get a final injunction. Because of the deposit German courts make it very easy to get a preliminary injunction. But if that injunction wasn't justified, you pay dearly for it.

 

They’re going to put a poll up later and use that for the patent trial. A lot quicker and less $.

 

You'll see...