Fingers crossed. For tax purposes I need to get my end-of-year hardware budget spent before the 1st. They can deliver it in 2014 if needs be, just as long as my receipt says 2013.
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German Retailer Begins Taking Mac Pro Pre-Orders, Claims December 16 Availability [Updated]
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Holy overkill, Batman! The lowest-specced model is more than is needed for an HTPC (unless you're talking 4K) and it will need a large external drive
I dunno, the only troubles I had were with finding the right CPU and graphics cards, actually. But I mostly stuck to TigerDirect since I live up north.
My attempt at trying to get a 6-core system that matches the 6-core on Apple's canadian website... (The base 6-core is listed at $4099.)
CPU: Intel® Xeon® E5-1660, 3.7 GHz, 15 MB Cache
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8570147&CatId=1969
$1,257.65
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16GB Desktop Memory Kit - DDR3, (4x4GB), 1866MHz
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1705152&CatId=4534
$266.99
Graphics Cards:
AMD FirePro W5000, 2GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0(x16),
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3906520&CatId=7387
$444.97 x 2 = $889.94
AMD FirePro W7000, 4GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0(x16)
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3906521&CatId=7387
$769.97 x 2 = $1539.94
SSD: VisionTek PCI-e 480GB SSD
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7974821&CatId=5303
$696.99 - $70.50 = $626.49
Motherboard: Gigabyte Intel Z77 Dual Thunderbolt ATX Motherboard with BT4.0/Wi-Fi GA-Z77X-UP5-TH by Gigabyte
http://www.amazon.ca/dp/B008LTB3QW
$465.98
Case: Cooler Master RC-600-KKN1-GP Gladiator 600 Mid Tower Case
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4950639&CatId=1842
$70
PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro M 850W
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5309345&CatId=106
$183.99 - $24.02 = $159.97
OS: Mac OS X 10.9
$0.00
Grand Total: $3737.02 - $4387.02
Conclusion: It's not a perfect match, but assuming I didn't miss any parts, Apple's price actually seems pretty competitive.
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Nice analysis thank you!!!
Very nice indeed, especially considering all the $$$ that went into developing the new box :d which btw imho is fantastic
Because there is a lot of armchair engineers out there. Even AMD said parts between their workstation & desktop cards are not interchangeable. Which means they don't even use exactly the same hardware.
Hoping the new Thunderbolt Display(s) will also be released December 16th.
I'm not holding my breath in the date being right but I do think they will make the December avail cause the Mac Pro will be a big seller to businesses want to spend out a budget so they don't lose it etc.
And I do hope there are new displays. More than just a 27 inch model, TV like refresh rates at 1080p and decent ones at 4k. HDMI as well as display port/thunderbolt. Something that could be used as either a computer display or a mid size TV. For Apple TV, blu ray players etc. 3d capable would be nice also. Even if just passive.
And then give us downloadable files as closer to bluray, parity with features from disks, 3d etc in iTunes. And finally make good in Steve saying iTunes extras and LP will return to Apple TV.
Do that with the displays and the store and the analysts will flip out. Because that is not the real TV they were looking for.
This can only end well
What if there is no Mac Pro on December 16 ? German Retailers will have to explain that "oh,, we thought ...."
Apple hasn't officially said anything yet. I'm not even gonna predict either, since i'll get it wrong...
However, Apple would probably just to a silent update, just like the iMac..
No-one noticed....
I guess i could say it'll be by the end of the month...
What if there is no Mac Pro on December 16 ? German Retailers will have to explain that "oh,, we thought ...."
Apple hasn't officially said anything yet. I'm not even gonna predict either, since i'll get it wrong...
However, Apple would probably just to a silent update, just like the iMac..
No-one noticed....
I guess i could say it'll be by the end of the month...
This can only end well
What if there is no Mac Pro on December 16 ? German Retailers will have to explain that "oh,, we thought ...."
Apple hasn't officially said anything yet. I'm not even gonna predict either, since i'll get it wrong...
However, Apple would probably just to a silent update, just like the iMac..
No-one noticed....
I guess i could say it'll be by the end of the month...
The iMac was a speed bump and a faster SSD. The Mac Pro, should be at least a press-release.
Actually, these guys are pretty smart. They KNOW the price of two configurations and are selling preorders of those. Makes sense to me. They are just guessing at a date, unless they have some dealer info (which they very well may have).
You realize those prices are just listed on apple''s site. So, they don't know anything new that the rest of us don't. I think they are just guessing like everyone else.
The date makes logical sense, and if they are wrong they will just move the date and say delayed. Allow people to cancel. Also why would anyone order from them when you can order from Apple. It's not like they will have a special stock.
The new Mac Pro is great...
Yet I have to say that I am surprised that it will be available and partnered with the now quite old version of the Thunderbolt Display. It seems rather bizarre to advertise the Mac Pro as possessing the ability to drive "x" number of displays, yet have only a display that has not been updated in 812 days. If Dell can manage to put out a 4K display, surely Apple can muster a like amount of technological prowess. LOL.
Yet I have to say that I am surprised that it will be available and partnered with the now quite old version of the Thunderbolt Display. It seems rather bizarre to advertise the Mac Pro as possessing the ability to drive "x" number of displays, yet have only a display that has not been updated in 812 days. If Dell can manage to put out a 4K display, surely Apple can muster a like amount of technological prowess. LOL.
In the meanwhile, the "release date" has been delayed to Dec 17th.
http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/overview/0413074/Apple-Desktops?filterBetriebssystem+%28Version%29=OS+X+Mavericks&WT.ac=homepage_top_apple_mac_pro
http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/overview/0413074/Apple-Desktops?filterBetriebssystem+%28Version%29=OS+X+Mavericks&WT.ac=homepage_top_apple_mac_pro
The 4 core uses E5-1620 v2
http://ark.intel.com/products/75779/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1620-v2-10M-Cache-3_70-GHz
The 6 core uses E5-1650 v2
http://ark.intel.com/products/75780/
There is no maybe about it. However, people suggesting that that 47zz blah blah blah is nearly the same thing so blah blah blah is just frustrating and silly. It really does make me want to bang my head against the tree.
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Unfortunately your choice of CPU is incorrect. The 6 core uses the E5-1650 v2, not the 1660 v2.
Apple: Intel Xeon E5 with 12MB L3 cache and Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
That is the E5-1650 v2.
Customs VAT and excise
Everyone in the UK seems to conveniently forget Customs, VAT and excise duties.
anyone who has been sent a bill from Her Majesties tax office after buying an item on Ebay that was shipped from Hong Kong would know that such additional bills wipe out any savings.
Hence the price differential. PLUS, we look at US prices and ignore US state taxes. 8% on 3k is 240 bucks...
Everyone in the UK seems to conveniently forget Customs, VAT and excise duties.
anyone who has been sent a bill from Her Majesties tax office after buying an item on Ebay that was shipped from Hong Kong would know that such additional bills wipe out any savings.
Hence the price differential. PLUS, we look at US prices and ignore US state taxes. 8% on 3k is 240 bucks...
Price is indeed tight, they're offering more power than you'd expect from that money. Problem is that 3000 is unreasonable for me because I don't need two GPUs, nor such a fast SSD (a good SSD would be fine for me). Basically I'd be happy with a Mini with discrete GPU and a faster CPU. But that's an iMac, and I don't want an iMac. So, I think I'll wait for future Macs. My budget is 2000, and what I'd like is a Mac Mini with components worth 2000
I think many of those complaints are just the expression of Apple still lacking a mid-range desktop machine w/o integrated monitor in their portfolio, which is more configurable/expandable than the mini.
Apple could probably offer this nice machine significantly cheaper by not using exclusively the latest professional-grade components, but instead offering a "prosumer / enthusiast" edition with consumer-grade components.
That could differ externally in e.g. colour and offered ports, and internally in e.g. offering 1x3.5"/2x2.5" bay(s) in place of the second graphic card, SATA-SSD and generally lower-tier components.
Kind of a "Mac mini on steroids", using the design language and components of the Mac Pro.
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I think a Mac Mini with Thunderbolt 2, PCIe SSD and dedicated GPU is that machine.
So that can be achieved with the current Mini form factor I think.
Those will likely be the only two configurations sold in stores. Other options are BTO and you can usually only get those straight from Apple.
It's in the article. It says that it appears that supplies of the cpu chips from intel are constrained right now.
That estimates $1200 for dual video cards. Assuming that number is in the ballpark, that's a huge waste of money for users whose software doesn't take advantage of them. A version with $200 worth of GPU would drop the price a grand, which would be much more competitive for those users.
But for anyone not going GPU heavy work the quad doesn't really make sense anyway, the reason to get it is to get more than four cores which is only available in this machine.
Yes, the six thunderbolt ports use two channels.
It is confirmed that the four and six core versions use the 16xx series, the specs match those and there are no 26xx versions with those specs. And there is an eight core E5-1680 v2 although for whatever reason intel doesn't link it from their E5 list page.
http://ark.intel.com/products/77912/
People have been talking about the fabled xMac for years, the closest we got was the Digital Audio Powermacs.
The cheapest Mac Pro costs 3,000 USD in the US, but comes at a revolutionary high price of 4,300 USD (28,000 SEK) in Sweden. Yay!
I'm glad that Germany doesn't have it much better, though.
How much of that is VAT?