Get the last version of Leopard WebKit

[MrPilot]

Get it, it should be from Oct 2018. The dmg should have QT 7.7 included, install it and follow instructions.

My 1Ghz PB is running full desktop youtube fast as hell, all the extras in the web player working, even fullscreen is fluid. In fact, I can load up this forum on the powerbook and and answer posts while on the other browser tab, youtube is playing in the background with no problem. Only thing not working is live streaming.

It's a beast of a browser I uninstalled every other browser.

 

[sparty411]

Get it, it should be from Oct 2018. The dmg should have QT 7.7 included, install it and follow instructions.

My 1Ghz PB is running full desktop youtube fast as hell, all the extras in the web player working, even fullscreen is fluid. In fact, I can load up this forum on the powerbook and and answer posts while on the other browser tab, youtube is playing in the background with no problem. Only thing not working is live streaming.

It's a beast of a browser I uninstalled every other browser.

I’ve found it to be very unstable when bogged down with super script heavy sites.

 

[Appleuser201]

Get it, it should be from Oct 2018. The dmg should have QT 7.7 included, install it and follow instructions.

My 1Ghz PB is running full desktop youtube fast as hell, all the extras in the web player working, even fullscreen is fluid. In fact, I can load up this forum on the powerbook and and answer posts while on the other browser tab, youtube is playing in the background with no problem. Only thing not working is live streaming.

It's a beast of a browser I uninstalled every other browser.

post pics of youtube running on a 1ghz system!
Ill believe it when I see it

 

[MrPilot]

post pics of youtube running on a 1ghz system!
Ill believe it when I see it

I'll post a video

 

[swamprock]

post pics of youtube running on a 1ghz system!
Ill believe it when I see it

I can run it all day on my 1.0ghz TiBook. 360p full screen in the browser (Leopard Webkit), 480p full screen with SMTube, 720p in a window, with some slight glitching (but no frame drops), with CorePlayer, after downloading the video with PPC Media Center.

 

[Project Alice]

post pics of youtube running on a 1ghz system!
Ill believe it when I see it

Easily. I do it all the time. I can do it on a sawtooth.
My G5 with Leopard webkit can do 720P with a breeze.

I use TFF and webkit. Some sites work better than others. As said above webkit doesn't do well with scripts.

 

[Appleuser201]

Easily. I do it all the time. I can do it on a sawtooth.
My G5 with Leopard webkit can do 720P with a breeze.

I use TFF and webkit. Some sites work better than others. As said above webkit doesn't do well with scripts.

Desktop youtube works on Webkit on a Sawtooth... but youtube lags badly and drops so many frames on a 1.67ghz using tenfourfox.
Its been a proven fact Google slows down Mozilla browsers using Youtube or google services to get more people to use their awful chrome browser which cant be downloaded for ppc anyways.
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I'll post a video

yeah post a video, and include the ''about this mac'' in it too. thanks.

 

[Project Alice]

Desktop youtube works on Webkit on a Sawtooth... but youtube lags badly and drops so many frames on a 1.67ghz using tenfourfox.
Its been a proven fact Google slows down Mozilla browsers using Youtube or google services to get more people to use their awful chrome browser which cant be downloaded for ppc anyways.
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yeah post a video, and include the ''about this mac'' in it too. thanks.

Idk why you’re so skeptical of this. It’s a very widely known thing in this community. And this is a 1Ghz you’re amazed at. I used to watch YouTube on my 500Mhz iBook and iMac back in the day (the day was around 2007). For the era of Core 2 Duos and Quads that’s pretty good for G3’s.
Any machine that has leopard WebKit installed can at least play YouTube at the lowest setting.

If you download the file and play it locally it’s a whole new game. They’ll play just about anything. I’ve tested my 1.5Ghz PowerBook with 720 and 1080 videos played with core player and VLC. Works like you’d expect it to in 2004.

 

[Appleuser201]

Idk why you’re so skeptical of this. It’s a very widely known thing in this community. And this is a 1Ghz you’re amazed at. I used to watch YouTube on my 500Mhz iBook and iMac back in the day (the day was around 2007). For the era of Core 2 Duos and Quads that’s pretty good for G3’s.
Any machine that has leopard WebKit installed can at least play YouTube at the lowest setting.

If you download the file and play it locally it’s a whole new game. They’ll play just about anything. I’ve tested my 1.5Ghz PowerBook with 720 and 1080 videos played with core player and VLC. Works like you’d expect it to in 2004.

That would even include the earliest beige G3's with upgraded G4 cpu's and Leopard installed?
The reason I was amazed was because of how badly tff ran any video and others have told me that the days of running youtube on any machine under 1.25ghz is long gone. They say stuff like
''youtube has changed so much since 2007, 2011, 2013''

 

[Project Alice]

That would even include the earliest beige G3's with upgraded G4 cpu's and Leopard installed?
The reason I was amazed was because of how badly tff ran any video and others have told me that the days of running youtube on any machine under 1.25ghz is long gone. They say stuff like
''youtube has changed so much since 2007, 2011, 2013''

I can’t even watch YouTube on my G5 in TFF; well maybe I can now with the release of x264 support in FPR15. It plays at 360, usually choppy. This goes along with the whole PPC on the web experience. Different browsers for different things. TFF is great for lots of things, youtube is not one of them.

WebKit does great with YouTube and web video. But if you go somewhere with a java script or two it will start having problems. I’ve also had some sites give me SSL errors with it, possibly because of the user agent. If that happens I can switch to TFF.

 

[MrPilot]

yeah post a video, and include the ''about this mac'' in it too. thanks.

Enjoy, please watch I made just for you. Please watch mp4 in 720p
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10nx30CshkZtUPiRQ8b0k9JlcClRq42ZQ/view?usp=drivesdk

 

[Appleuser201]

Enjoy, please watch I made just for you. Please watch mp4 in 720p
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10nx30CshkZtUPiRQ8b0k9JlcClRq42ZQ/view?usp=drivesdk

It does appear to work well, and would be completely usable as long as no one moved the mouse cursor.
Just wondering, what was the video quality playing at? 360p?

 

[MrPilot]

It does appear to work well, and would be completely usable as long as no one moved the mouse cursor.
Just wondering, what was the video quality playing at? 360p?

You can move cursor, even scroll the page. Just stuff that gets overlayed on top of video causes a slight stutter the second it happens then it goes back to smooth. Yes it's 360p and you can push higher by following advice posted earlier

 

[Appleuser201]

You can move cursor, even scroll the page. Just stuff that gets overlayed on top of video causes a slight stutter the second it happens then it goes back to smooth. Yes it's 360p and you can push higher by following advice posted earlier

I see you have a 1.67ghz PBG4... does 480p or 720p work on it?
Ive found even a 700mhz imac g4 can play 720p video off the hard drive. can a 1.67 G4 play 720p youtube?

 

[MrPilot]

does

I can see you have a 1.67ghz PBG4... does 480p or 720p work on it?
Ive found even a 700mhz imac g4 can play 720p video off the hard drive. can a 1.67 G4 play 720p youtube?

As I said in the video, I salvaged the screen from a DLSD powerbook. It's gone. The board started failing, so I thought I'd be clever and test if the screen could be saved and fit into the older 1ghz and it worked. Downside I lost some wifi range... luckily, the router is just next to the powerbook

I just played the 720p video on the 1ghz PB. No problem. I have even watched some movies in 1080p on this 1ghz pB but with a bit of micro stuttering here and there... other 1080p are unwatchable ALMOST. But all 720p have worked without stutter.

the 1.67ghz and 1ghz models both display almost the same type of video. So no, the 1.67 can't play HD YT from the browser. 480p could be played but not from this webkit browser because you'd need 480p as an option and we don't have that. it's 360, then 720p
There are workarounds to get it to work, but not from browser. Problem isn't video card or CPU, it's the lack of video hardware acceleration past the altivec chip. With proper software these machines could handle the web quite nicely

 

[Appleuser201]

As I said in the video, I salvaged the screen from a DLSD powerbook. It's gone. The board started failing, so I thought I'd be clever and test if the screen could be saved and fit into the older 1ghz and it worked. Downside I lost some wifi range... luckily, the router is just next to the powerbook

I just played the 720p video on the 1ghz PB. No problem. I have even watched some movies in 1080p on this 1ghz pB but with a bit of micro stuttering here and there... other 1080p are unwatchable ALMOST. But all 720p have worked without stutter.

the 1.67ghz and 1ghz models both display almost the same type of video. So no, the 1.67 can't play HD YT from the browser. 480p could be played but not from this webkit browser because you'd need 480p as an option and we don't have that. it's 360, then 720p
There are workarounds to get it to work, but not from browser. Problem isn't video card or CPU, it's the lack of video hardware acceleration past the altivec chip. With proper software these machines could handle the web quite nicely

I imagine 1080p movies would play better on a 1.42ghz eMac which I hope to obtain soon...
720p or 1080p would look great on the eMac's crisp sharp CRT display. The displays max resolution of 1280x960 is already HD ready

 

[MrPilot]

I imagine 1080p movies would play better on a 1.42ghz eMac which I hope to obtain soon...
720p or 1080p would look great on the eMac's crisp sharp CRT display. The displays max resolution of 1280x960 is already HD ready

just make sure you have corepayer

 

[Appleuser201]

Easily. I do it all the time. I can do it on a sawtooth.
My G5 with Leopard webkit can do 720P with a breeze.

I use TFF and webkit. Some sites work better than others. As said above webkit doesn't do well with scripts.

If you happen to still have that Sawtooth running Leopard, we would all love a video (if you dont mind) showing how to get desktop youtube running on that machine.

 

[Dronecatcher]

If you happen to still have that Sawtooth running Leopard, we would all love a video (if you dont mind) showing how to get desktop youtube running on that machine.

Thought you were going to do an iBook video

 

[Project Alice]

If you happen to still have that Sawtooth running Leopard, we would all love a video (if you dont mind) showing how to get desktop youtube running on that machine.

I do, but I’ve since moved everything to a GigE G4. The sawtooth had a dual 450mhz, only difference now is the GigE is a dual 500Mhz. As for a how to: install leopard, install leopard WebKit, go to YouTube.com. That’s how lol.

It doesn’t play higher than 360 ever but it will play.

I can post a video in 3 days when I am off of my work stretch (I work four 12 hour shifts).

 

[Appleuser201]

Thought you were going to do an iBook video

I will, an in depth review, when I get the chance. It's a 1.33ghz with 1 GB of ram.
My next Mac purchase will be a 1.42ghz eMac or a 400mhz Blue and White Powermac G3

 

[z970]

My next Mac purchase will be a 1.42ghz eMac or a 400mhz Blue and White Powermac G3

As an owner of both of these machines, I can confirm the following qualities:

eMac Points:

When maxxed out, this eMac will offer speeds comparable to the low-end 1.6ghz iMac G5. It has fantastic built-in speakers with great bass and sound quality, and thanks to the overbuilt cooling system, the GPU clockspeed and VRAM can be overclocked up to 33.33% with the help of ATIcellerator II. And if you can track down its tilt and swivel stand, that will multiply the style and function factor by 10x, giving you all of the beauty and function of the iMac G4.

However, it can be a pain to clean out dust and access the HDD / ODD (so make sure to give it an SSD when you do). You will also often need to readjust the CRT display after moving the machine around. The single fan is also relatively loud. It is rather hot-running. It is very heavy, and there are no handles, so you will need to MAKE SURE it is packaged VERY well when it is shipped to you, otherwise the case will be prone to cracking. Thanks to improper packing, my first eMac arrived with a cracked bezel (which then needed to be replaced). And due to the proprietary implementation of its CRT display, no version of Linux 2014 and newer will run properly. The same applies for OpenBSD, so your OS choices will be totally exclusive to Tiger and Leopard.

Otherwise, they're great all-in-ones, make for a fantastic sound system, pack a formidable punch, and are all-around excellent starter Macs. Just keep in mind that they're happiest on your desk, and just about nowhere else.

Power Mac G3 Points:

As this is a Power Mac, its room for expansion and potential blows away the eMac. It is much quieter than the eMac. It is insanely easy to overclock (no soldering, just jumpers). The CPU can be upgraded to a higher clockspeed G3 or G4, and the graphics card can also be upgraded, all ending up to something more akin to a Power Mac G4. PSU aside, it exhausts very little heat, therefore they are relatively cool-running. Even with 512mb RAM / the stock Rage 128, this 400mhz machine is very responsive on Tiger when given an SSD. On the previously mentioned configuration, it will browse the Web reasonably painlessly with Camino 2.1.2 if JavaScript is off. It has the same speaker as the iMac G3, so it also has very good sound quality (the eMac will still trump it in this area, however). Unlike the eMac, this machine will also run any version of Linux or OpenBSD without any issue, opening up far superior security, far broader browser choice, and greater sheer all-around ability.

However, this Mac has a sulky personality. It has a very sulky personality. It will often play favorites with RAM modules and optical disc drives. If a module happens to be installed that it doesn't like, it will once in a while throw a fit and kernel panic. It plays better with single-sided modules than dual ones, though, so make sure you buy single-sided, unbuffered, Mac-specific, 168-pin PC100 / PC133 RAM modules. If it has a ODD it does not like, it will refuse to boot from certain discs. Being that this is a Middle Earth ROM machine (NWR, but has remaining elements of OWR), it will not boot from USB or FireWire, only disc or HD. There is no Target Disk Mode, though it supports reading / writing to other TDM machines mounted as external drives. There is no boot picker (opt key at chime), but only the Open Firmware multi-boot utility, and even then, it has to approve of its drive configuration if you don't want it to hang. It only has two USB 1.1 ports, so make sure to get a 4-port USB 2.0 PCI card. It also only has ATA/33, so also get either an ATA/100 PCI card or SATA PCI card.

Otherwise, they're great machines, with great speakers, with great expansion and potential. They will give the eMac a run for its money if properly upgraded, are more energy-efficient, and are all around excellent DIY Macs. Once they have a RAM, ODD, HDD, etc. configuration they like, they won't give any problems and will be extremely pleasant to use. IMNC's Power Mac G3 is a great example of one of these guys taken to their full potential.

I (really) hope I helped.

 

[Appleuser201]

As an owner of both of these machines, I can confirm the following qualities:

eMac Points:

When maxxed out, this eMac will offer speeds comparable to the low-end 1.6ghz iMac G5. It has fantastic built-in speakers with great bass and sound quality, and thanks to the overbuilt cooling system, the GPU clockspeed and VRAM can be overclocked up to 33.33% with the help of ATIcellerator II. And if you can track down its tilt and swivel stand, that will multiply the style and function factor by 10x, giving you all of the beauty and function of the iMac G4.

However, it can be a pain to clean out dust and access the HDD / ODD (so make sure to give it an SSD when you do). You will also often need to readjust the CRT display after moving the machine around. The single fan is also relatively loud. It is rather hot-running. It is very heavy, and there are no handles, so you will need to MAKE SURE it is packaged VERY well when it is shipped to you, otherwise the case will be prone to cracking. Thanks to improper packing, my first eMac arrived with a cracked bezel (which then needed to be replaced). And due to the proprietary implementation of its CRT display, no version of Linux 2014 and newer will run properly. The same applies for OpenBSD, so your OS choices will be totally exclusive to Tiger and Leopard.

Otherwise, they're great all-in-ones, make for a fantastic sound system, pack a formidable punch, and are all-around excellent starter Macs. Just keep in mind that they're happiest on your desk, and just about nowhere else.

Power Mac G3 Points:

As this is a Power Mac, its room for expansion and potential blows away the eMac. It is much quieter than the eMac. It is insanely easy to overclock (no soldering, just jumpers). The CPU can be upgraded to a higher clockspeed G3 or G4, and the graphics card can also be upgraded, all ending up to something more akin to a Power Mac G4. PSU aside, it exhausts very little heat, therefore they are relatively cool-running. Even with 512mb RAM / the stock Rage 128, this 400mhz machine is very responsive on Tiger when given an SSD. On the previously mentioned configuration, it will browse the Web reasonably painlessly with Camino 2.1.2 if JavaScript is off. It has the same speaker as the iMac G3, so it also has very good sound quality (the eMac will still trump it in this area, however). Unlike the eMac, this machine will also run any version of Linux or OpenBSD without any issue, opening up far superior security, far broader browser choice, and greater sheer all-around ability.

However, this Mac has a sulky personality. It has a very sulky personality. It will often play favorites with RAM modules and optical disc drives. If a module happens to be installed that it doesn't like, it will once in a while throw a fit and kernel panic. It plays better with single-sided modules than dual ones, though, so make sure you buy single-sided, unbuffered, Mac-specific, 168-pin PC100 / PC133 RAM modules. If it has a ODD it does not like, it will refuse to boot from certain discs. Being that this is a Middle Earth ROM machine (NWR, but has remaining elements of OWR), it will not boot from USB or FireWire, only disc or HD. There is no Target Disk Mode, though it supports reading / writing to other TDM machines mounted as external drives. There is no boot picker (opt key at chime), but only the Open Firmware multi-boot utility, and even then, it has to approve of its drive configuration if you don't want it to hang. It only has two USB 1.1 ports, so make sure to get a 4-port USB 2.0 PCI card. It also only has ATA/33, so also get either an ATA/100 PCI card or SATA PCI card.

Otherwise, they're great machines, with great speakers, with great expansion and potential. They will give the eMac a run for its money if properly upgraded, are more energy-efficient, and are all around excellent DIY Macs. Once they have a RAM, ODD, HDD, etc. configuration they like, they won't give any problems and will be extremely pleasant to use. IMNC's Power Mac G3 is a great example of one of these guys taken to their full potential.

I (really) hope I helped.

It was helpful. Is there any workaround for Linux on the eMac? Debian 10 just came out last month. Personally, Linux isn't an issue for me, Leopard has everything I need.
How far can you go with Camino 2.1.2?

 

[z970]

Is there any workaround for Linux on the eMac? Debian 10 just came out last month. Personally, Linux isn't an issue for me, Leopard has everything I need.

I believe xorg.conf needs to be edited to the CRT's correct specification. However, that can be hard to do when the system instantly boots into a blank screen. @LightBulbFun can offer more help on this than I can.

How far can you go with Camino 2.1.2?

It's not DD-class, but farther than you'd think. These forums work fine, as does Macintosh Garden and Low End Mac. MSN News works. Wikipedia works. Searching in DuckDuckGo is problem-free.

For light browsing, it's a great solution.

 

[Appleuser201]

I believe xorg.conf needs to be edited to the CRT's correct specification. However, that can be hard to do when the system instantly boots into a blank screen. @LightBulbFun can offer more help on this than I can.



It's not DD-class, but farther than you'd think. These forums work fine, as does Macintosh Garden and Low End Mac. MSN News works. Wikipedia works. Searching in DuckDuckGo is problem-free.

For light browsing, it's a great solution.

I always avoided downloading Camino just because I thought it was too outdated and even almost a danger to use (no updates what so ever since 2012) and I blame that on the Camino website for my paranoia.
''Camino is increasingly lagging behind the fast pace of changes on the web, and more importantly it is not receiving security updates, making it increasingly unsafe to use.''

Would you be able to test these websites I frequently visit on Camino? they aren't too demanding on any other browser unlike sites like YouTube or Facebook.
www.reddit.com
www.yachtworld.com (I like boats)
hangouts.google.com (sign in with a google account if you have one)