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Appleuser201 said:
I always avoided downloading Camino just because I thought it was too outdated and even almost a danger to use (no updates what so ever since 2012) and I blame that on the Camino website for my paranoia.
''Camino is increasingly lagging behind the fast pace of changes on the web, and more importantly it is not receiving security updates, making it increasingly unsafe to use.''

Would you be able to test these websites I frequently visit on Camino? they aren't too demanding on any other browser unlike sites like YouTube or Facebook.
www.reddit.com
www.yachtworld.com (I like boats)
hangouts.google.com (sign in with a google account if you have one)
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Reddit loads fine, if improperly rendered.

Yacht World does not connect.

Google Hangouts appears to load OK.

The security issue is relevant for fringe use cases, where secure connections are a 100% top priority. They don't want to be liable, so they need to clarify to inattentive users. Otherwise, it's akin to using Windows XP 5 years after cutoff. Just don't visit anything suspicious.
 
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z970mp said:
Reddit loads fine, if improperly rendered.

Yacht World does not connect.

Google Hangouts appears to load OK.

The security issue is relevant for fringe use cases, where secure connections are a 100% top priority. They don't want to be liable, so they need to clarify to inattentive users. Otherwise, it's akin to using Windows XP 5 years after cutoff. Just don't visit anything suspicious.
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Okay, thanks.
 
I know I'm probably beating a dead horse here(since everyone else knows this as well), but, really, security isn't *that* big of an issue as far as internet on PowerPC Macs go.

It's largely a matter of, say, not clicking on crap, and most bad sites can easily be blocked with an ad blocker(which will greatly increase your browsing speed anyways). Don't download stuff from shady websites or anywhere that you don't trust. Don't browse the internet on public WiFi.
As far as PowerPC-specific(or even Windows XP-specific), make sure to clear your cookies or go into incognito mode, don't let the browser store your passwords. I, personally, wouldn't trust an older browser for banking, shopping or filing taxes, but general browsing should be fine.

Block Flash and Java unless you are on a known good site(even then, be wary).

But, again, for the most part, with a few common-sense measures, you should be safe, even if you are using an older browser. But, also, there are up-to-date and relatively new browsers for PPC Macs, Leopard Webkit is one of them(updated in late 2018), TenFourFox is another one(still gets security fixes).
 
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mzs.112000 said:
Block Flash and Java unless you are on a known good site(even then, be wary).
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I disable all plugins on every browser I use, regardless of version. There usually isn't much use for them in the modern Web.

mzs.112000 said:
But, also, there are up-to-date and relatively new browsers for PPC Macs, Leopard Webkit is one of them(updated in late 2018), TenFourFox is another one(still gets security fixes).
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And for OS X, that's where it stops.

Considering TenFourFox is effectively FF 45 (and not 52, 60, or 68), it is getting increasingly unsupported by a growing number of websites. It is also slow and overly-bloated to the point of unusability on G3s. Leopard WebKit isn't much better off considering that it's exclusive to 10.5 (locking out G3s), lacks the level of customization that TFF allows, and can oftentimes prove unstable on heavy websites.

For full-time, day-to-day Web browsing on a PowerPC Mac, Linux or OpenBSD is strongly recommended. The amount of updated browsers available for those platforms widely eclipse those available on OS X, and offer a reliably faster and more compatible platform.

Just putting it out there.
 
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z970mp said:
I disable all plugins on every browser I use, regardless of version. There usually isn't much use for them in the modern Web.



And for OS X, that's where it stops.

Considering TenFourFox is effectively FF 45 (and not 52, 60, or 68), it is getting increasingly unsupported by a growing number of websites. It is also slow and overly-bloated to the point of unusability on G3s. Leopard WebKit isn't much better off considering that it's exclusive to 10.5 (locking out G3s), lacks the level of customization that TFF allows, and can oftentimes prove unstable on heavy websites.

For full-time, day-to-day Web browsing on a PowerPC Mac, Linux or OpenBSD is strongly recommended. The amount of updated browsers available for those platforms widely eclipse those available on OS X, and offer a reliably faster and more compatible platform.

Just putting it out there.
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We should all find a way to get TFF updated... at least to FF52. lot's of talented people here. FF45 is outdated, at the web standards of late 2015. While most websites support it, in the upcoming year it will only become slower and more unsupported.
Leopard Webkit is mostly supported, at the web standards of 2017. I'm sure it could use an update too, and a port to Tiger.
Whats the reason for no Tiger support anyways? There is a Tiger Webkit but it's useless at this point.
 
Appleuser201 said:
We should all find a way to get TFF updated... at least to FF52. lot's of talented people here. FF45 is outdated, at the web standards of late 2015. While most websites support it, in the upcoming year it will only become slower and more unsupported.
Leopard Webkit is mostly supported, at the web standards of 2017. I'm sure it could use an update too, and a port to Tiger.
Whats the reason for no Tiger support anyways? There is a Tiger Webkit but it's useless at this point.
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Porting a web browser is no trivial task and you're showing no respect to the 2 developers who maintain TFF and LWK in their own time.
Having an up to date browser with current standards employed will not necessarily be a good thing if your using a single processor PPC - try a G4 with TFF or LWK and different user agents and see how the browser gets bogged down once it thinks it can float new features.
There's only so much that can be done - PPCs aren't getting any faster and the web is getting bigger and hungrier....
 
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Dronecatcher said:
Porting a web browser is no trivial task and you're showing no respect to the 2 developers who maintain TFF and LWK in their own time.
Having an up to date browser with current standards employed will not necessarily be a good thing if your using a single processor PPC - try a G4 with TFF or LWK and different user agents and see how the browser gets bogged down once it thinks it can float new features.
There's only so much that can be done - PPCs aren't getting any faster and the web is getting bigger and hungrier....
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Dronecatcher said:
Porting a web browser is no trivial task and you're showing no respect to the 2 developers who maintain TFF and LWK in their own time.
Having an up to date browser with current standards employed will not necessarily be a good thing if your using a single processor PPC - try a G4 with TFF or LWK and different user agents and see how the browser gets bogged down once it thinks it can float new features.
There's only so much that can be done - PPCs aren't getting any faster and the web is getting bigger and hungrier....
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No disrespect to the developers.. they work very hard voluntarily to deliver great up to date browsers that work on 14+ year old hardware and old unsupported software.
You are right about the single processor slowdowns, especially on G3's. Thanks to lazy web developers, the modern web is becoming more and more increasingly difficult for older G4's and G3's to handle no matter what browser is used.
 
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Project Alice said:
Idk why you’re so skeptical of this. It’s a very widely known thing in this community. And this is a 1Ghz you’re amazed at. I used to watch YouTube on my 500Mhz iBook and iMac back in the day (the day was around 2007). For the era of Core 2 Duos and Quads that’s pretty good for G3’s.
Any machine that has leopard WebKit installed can at least play YouTube at the lowest setting.

If you download the file and play it locally it’s a whole new game. They’ll play just about anything. I’ve tested my 1.5Ghz PowerBook with 720 and 1080 videos played with core player and VLC. Works like you’d expect it to in 2004.
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Something I didn't even think about before... The graphics in these Macs!
A powerbook 1.0ghz, the one OP is using has a high end graphics card (for G4's) ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 (4X AGP) graphics with 64 MB of DDR SDRAM
All Powermac's will also have the latest and greatest graphics of their time as well.
Compared to iBooks and eMacs that came years later with only 32mb of Vram, and a less capable graphics card.

I'd like to see a 1ghz iBook attempt this or a 1ghz eMac. Both these models have only 32mb of Vram.
 
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Appleuser201 said:
Something I didn't even think about before... The graphics in these Macs!
A powerbook 1.0ghz, the one OP is using has a high end graphics card (for G4's) ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 (4X AGP) graphics with 64 MB of DDR SDRAM
All Powermac's will also have the latest and greatest graphics of their time as well.
Compared to iBooks and eMacs that came years later with only 32mb of Vram, and a less capable graphics card.

I'd like to see a 1ghz iBook attempt this or a 1ghz eMac. Both these models have only 32mb of Vram.
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the high graphics is because I salvaged the screen (just the screen) from a newer DLSD mac. Not the graphics card and they do fit on older alu PB's but you may need to do some rewiring if your wifi range is too short. (simple metal cord would do)

Like dronecatcher said, you don't get video decoding using graphics hardware acceleration. (only altivec is saving the platform from being a video playback disaster)
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Dronecatcher said:
Not for video formats used by Youtube nowadays.
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it uses altivec ;) it's the quicktime decoding 7.6 and 7.7 doing it
 
Appleuser201 said:
So it's just raw CPU power? I always thought the graphics worked with the CPU to decode and playback video as well as other video tasks.
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GPU is only used in openGL to change saturation, brightness, etc of the video. Just the actual decoding takes place on the CPU & Altivec
 
z970mp said:
I disable all plugins on every browser I use, regardless of version. There usually isn't much use for them in the modern Web.



And for OS X, that's where it stops.

Considering TenFourFox is effectively FF 45 (and not 52, 60, or 68), it is getting increasingly unsupported by a growing number of websites. It is also slow and overly-bloated to the point of unusability on G3s. Leopard WebKit isn't much better off considering that it's exclusive to 10.5 (locking out G3s), lacks the level of customization that TFF allows, and can oftentimes prove unstable on heavy websites.

For full-time, day-to-day Web browsing on a PowerPC Mac, Linux or OpenBSD is strongly recommended. The amount of updated browsers available for those platforms widely eclipse those available on OS X, and offer a reliably faster and more compatible platform.

Just putting it out there.
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OpenBSD? It wasn't the case at least with 6.4 where the only working GUI browser was netsurf.
 
backyardvoodoo said:
Wow!! How is the speed of the system overall? Even on my i7 laptop it feels 2-3 times slower than Linux, can't imagine a PPC with all the exploit mitigations taking their CPU time cut!
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I think the CPU issue you’re referring to with your i7 is a result of OpenBSD disabling HT entirely, in an effort to mitigate side channel attack’s.
 
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OpenBSD? It wasn't the case at least with 6.4 where the only working GUI browser was netsurf.
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To NetSurf's credit, it's a great, lightweight browser that is (unlike Dillo) gaining more and more functionality with each successive release. It's really forming into something great.

Besides those two, there is also Qute Browser, built on Qt.

The OOB OpenBSD browser situation is much better than Linux's, especially with each new version. :)
 
Project Alice said:
I can’t even watch YouTube on my G5 in TFF; well maybe I can now with the release of x264 support in FPR15. It plays at 360, usually choppy. This goes along with the whole PPC on the web experience. Different browsers for different things. TFF is great for lots of things, youtube is not one of them.

WebKit does great with YouTube and web video. But if you go somewhere with a java script or two it will start having problems. I’ve also had some sites give me SSL errors with it, possibly because of the user agent. If that happens I can switch to TFF.
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You literally just said.. in another post that Webkit doesn't do youtube good..
 
Appleuser201 said:
You literally just said.. in another post that Webkit doesn't do youtube good..
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He's not wrong. I've found that it can glitch out, and the video for some damn reason always defaults to 720p. That's a problem for anything less than a G5, and it doesn't help that this browser, once asked a little too much of, doesn't hesitate to crash on you.

Aside from the forum redesign breaking mobile UAs, I really like AquaWeb. Solves a bunch of issues in one fell swoop. :D
 
Appleuser201 said:
You literally just said.. in another post that Webkit doesn't do youtube good..
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I said it doesn’t do it well for my standards. I didn’t say it doesn’t work. It works fine. But it doesn’t enter full screen and it limits you to a lower resolution.
Dronecatcher said:
That must be dependent on other factors, just tried it on iBook, defaulted to 360P each time.
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My stuff defaults to 360 too. I’m pretty sure my G5 defaults to 360 but it’ll let me do 720.
 
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