iPad Pro Getting rid of iPad Pro 9.7 256GB for 2016 rMB

[AFEPPL]

we'll agree on an OS X or windows device of some description.

No HIS point does not... YOURS does, as he said: "the iPad cannot replace the macbook, it's simply too crippled an OS, the iPad is a consumption device, plain and simple and Apple has shown no plans to change that for the future."

His statement says an iPP cannot replace a MacBook at all. But I said it can for many, just as you said it can't for many.
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Kal.

You know and i know he wasn't speaking for the world, it's just personal opinion and workflows.

 

[infernoguy]

I think its where you use it that counts (for me anyway)...

I've went round and round over the last few years buying/returning iPads & MacBooks and I think I've settled on a triumvirate of devices that work for me:

iPhone 6 plus - I use this everywhere. Always with me.
iPad Pro 12.9 - My slate that's comfortable to use on the couch and in the bed.
Retina MacBook Pro 15 - This can be used in my lap or at the coffee shop/work.

I like big screens and I cannot lie

Apple's ecosystem is strictly for consumption/personal life management. Windows is what I do for a living so I definitely do want that at home.

 

[Arran]

I have decided to get the lasagna instead of the chicken marsala for lunch today. Chicken marsala just can't cut it.

Oops I meant to start a new thread for this...

A true professional skips lunch entirely. Slacker!

 

[ColdShadow]

Couldn't disagree more. iOS in iPad form has replaced OS X for many users including me and others on these forums. Unless one's work needs are heavy or specific, the ipp is more than enough to be productive.

those many users were the ones who used OSX only as a "consumer"..doing lite tasks such as web browsing,social media,youtube,netflix,email,etc..so in a sense real OS like Mac was too much for their needs in first place,iPad just gave them what was enough for them.
iPad and iOS are great for their porpuse but never a full on replacement for OSX.(like ot or not)
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You need all three a MacBook Air 13", iPad pro 12.9" and a iPhone 6s plus as they all work with each other and none do it all.

This is my collection and works for my way of life.

yes you need all three,but not necessarily the three you have and named.

for many an iMac (or Macbook Pro) + an iPad 9.7 (or Mini) + an iPhone 6 works better..

buttom line is,most people will need all 3 (a Mac,an iPad and an iPhone) and I'm sure thats what Apple wants.

 

[Kal-037]

we'll agree on an OS X or windows device of some description.


You know and i know he wasn't speaking for the world, it's just personal opinion and workflows.

I know he was speaking for himself, that's why I commented that I disagreed with him.



Kal.

 

[Meever]

Sucks but totally agree. iOS isn't quite there yet in terms of productivity. I writing an article for a friend's website and it was a total nightmare. The writing stuff was a breeze. But man, making visual assets was an absolute nightmare.

Drew something on sketchbook pro. found out I couldn't crop. Had to send that to mobile photoshop, resized and saved it. was FINALLY able to get it into pages. Realized I needed to host it on a site and hyperlink. Couldn't figure it out. emailed everything to myself and finished it up on my macbook.

For light productivity it's fantastic. Getting some writing done? Awesome. Light image editing? A breeze. Anything more complex than that?

NOPE.

 

[thingstoponder]

Beats me how anyone is, or can say they are, doing any "serious" work on a 13" laptop - it defies all logic.

Define "serious". Stop being an elitist. hundreds of millions do their work on a small laptop.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Sucks but totally agree. iOS isn't quite there yet in terms of productivity. I writing an article for a friend's website and it was a total nightmare. The writing stuff was a breeze. But man, making visual assets was an absolute nightmare.

Drew something on sketchbook pro. found out I couldn't crop. Had to send that to mobile photoshop, resized and saved it. was FINALLY able to get it into pages. Realized I needed to host it on a site and hyperlink. Couldn't figure it out. emailed everything to myself and finished it up on my macbook.

For light productivity it's fantastic. Getting some writing done? Awesome. Light image editing? A breeze. Anything more complex than that?

NOPE.

To each his own. I have used Adobe Spark to create images for blog posts, resized them in Aviary, and created the entire blog post using Blogo. Worked on my novel using Scrivener (including rewriting material with MS Word on one side and Scrivener on the other) and done a bazillion other things, such as sketch with Procreate. Keep in mind that I do have a Win 10/Mac Gaming Desktop to go with it, but for a lot of things I don't even really need it.

All it takes is an understanding that you have to be a bit more creative with an iPad Pro 12.9 and you can get it done.

 

[rowspaxe]

I've bought a plot of land on mars as at some point it might get used...
It's NASAs biggest project.

Dev's are going to fix it!
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The botched rollout of the Surface is par for the course for Microsoft... they frequently stumble out of the gate. It's not how you start but how you finish that counts... that is why what is more telling is that after 4 iterations of the Surface things have only been tightened up but not improved.

In fairness MS has only been a pc hardware manufacturer for four years. On the software/windows 10 side--there is no defense. MS job one should be to make windows behave more like a mobile os--with better power management, dependable sleep and wake, etc. It seems like all these issues have worsened. In my opinion Windows 10 has been a complete disaster

 

[Traverse]

iOS 10 you are joking right. If Apple can't be bothered to update the 9.7 Pro with a Flash Option they are not adding anything new, besides a HOME App, new Photo Album options and thats all.

Do you mean flash player? If so, you really need to let that dream go.

 

[macfacts]

Couldn't disagree more. iOS in iPad form has replaced OS X for many users including me and others on these forums. Unless one's work needs are heavy or specific, the ipp is more than enough to be productive.

When your iPad has a problem and shows the "connect to iTunes" error screen, what are you going to do?

 

[ctg7w6]

I will be honest, not trying to flame (even though it's already happening here), but I just don't get it when people say their iPad is sufficient for serious work. I notice that these people rarely define what serious work is...

Also, are they differentiating between "it CAN be done" and "it is just as easy or easier to do it on an iPad versus a laptop." I don't doubt that many things CAN be done on an iPad... I myself have tried to make the switch. But in the end, it was just WAY easier to my work on a laptop. And I WANTED to be a able to do it on the iPad.

My work isn't crazy or anything... Writing 20 page-150 page documents with a lot of PDF research and heavy footnoting. Unfortunately, this usually requires 3-10 windows open at once. If I have my laptop connected to my big monitor, not a problem, on the laptop screen it usually requires a bit of maneuvering, but nothing as bad as on the iPad. Additionally, some of my most heavily used programs simply aren't available on an iPad, but whatever. Even when I find apps that essentially do the same thing, I still can't do anything with only two windows. Also, I often have multiple PDFs open that I need to look at at the same time. Besides using two PDF apps, this isn't really possible, plus I need to look at both of them while I am writing, so I need at least one more window.

I just don't get it... I am sure that you could write fiction decently enough on an iPad. Surely you can blog, because most of these iPad-only people apparently are hipster bloggers (just kidding lol). I have heard of some simple coding on an iPad, but it surely can't compare to doing it on a Mac or PC (correct me if I am wrong here).

Believe me, I WANT to use just an iPad (consolidate devices). But it just doesn't work for me, and I don't consider my work TOO serious in terms of computing power or needs. Maybe this whole debate is just two camps unable to agree on what constitutes "serious."

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Did you miss the part where I said that I have a desktop? I get what you are saying, but when I am on the go, my iPad Pro can do everything I need it to. Why is it that your work is more "serious" than mine? Maybe pretentious would work better?

 

[AFEPPL]

Thats a little unfair as checking mails etc (pretentious comment) is different from doing saying some work in EXCEL, or creating some PPTs or working with clients... its all about the workflows.

 

[Night Spring]

Maybe this whole debate is just two camps unable to agree on what constitutes "serious."

Agreed. Your definition of "serious" seems to involve multitasking, or more accurately, working with multiple open windows. A novelist, however, would need only one window, but he'd still consider his work "serious." A blogger who makes her living writing blog posts will consider her blog writing to be "real work." A farmer who sells his produce at a farmers market and uses an iPad to record sales and inventory would consider the iPad to be a serious tool for real work. And so on and so forth.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

By the way, try yanking the big monitor From your laptop and doing all of that. You will soon understand "serious" work better. I would argue that screen size is more of a benefit that OS or device.

But either way, I think you are still overlooking the fact that being able to travel with just an iPad Pro has benefits as well. A colleague wanted me to edit his PDF. I opened slack, downloaded the doc, sent it to PDF Expert, marked it up with my Apple Pencil, sent it back to slack and he got it. Lickety-split. So what was not "serious" about that work? Battery life? Great. Screen-size? Great. Always on? Great.

Just because you can't imagine your "serious" work being done on an iPad Pro, doesn't mean that professionals out there are in the same situation.
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Thats a little unfair as checking mails etc (pretentious comment) is different from doing saying some work in EXCEL, or creating some PPTs or working with clients... its all about the workflows.

That's my point. The comment was pretentious. Just because his or her work isn't able to be done without ten windows open, suddenly that is the only way to get serious work done?
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Agreed. Your definition of "serious" seems to involve multitasking, or more accurately, working with multiple open windows. A novelist, however, would need only one window, but he'd still consider his work "serious." A blogger who makes her living writing blog posts will consider her blog writing to be "real work." A farmer who sells his produce at a farmers market and uses an iPad to record sales and inventory would consider the iPad to be a serious tool for real work. And so on and so forth.

Exactly. The whole situation is one of trade-offs. Until they make a magic computer that is capable of huge screen sizes from our wrist or something, you are giving something up. Only you can decide what is worth giving up. I COULD choose to have ten windows open when doing my "serious" work. If so, I would have to have a laptop/big monitor or even just a desktop. A surface pro doesn't work well in this situation either. I would be willing to give up mobility for multi-tasking awesomeness. And that is just fine. I, too, have a desktop.

However, I would rather have mobility and ease of use and give up on the multi-tasking somewhat. (Although iOS 9 does do splitscreening rather well--for instance I have Scrivener next to Evernote or Word or Excel quite a bit.) I give up the ability to have a crapload (technical term) of windows open to have that mobility and ease of use.

The point is, again, that there are trade-offs. Pick what you can live with and stop saying that only your work is "serious."

 

[DontGetTheCheese]

It's funny how this stuff endlessly repeats. I'm the only Mac user in our IT group and, of course, I get grief. Thing was, I was that guy for a long time, until I decided what the heck, I'll give it a shot. There isn't a right or wrong here, just what works for you.

I know I can get really close with a iPad as my only device. I'm pretty certain that with just a few changes I could get all the way there, but one of those changes is likely a career change, so it's not as easy as I just made it sound.

Still I could do it, and I could see certain scenarios where a iPad is arguably the better option. But, fortunately, I don't have to make that choice even if I'd kind of like to, because it wouldn't be a sad day if I could get out of tech.

 

[jeremiah256]

I will be honest, not trying to flame (even though it's already happening here), but I just don't get it when people say their iPad is sufficient for serious work. I notice that these people rarely define what serious work is...

Also, are they differentiating between "it CAN be done" and "it is just as easy or easier to do it on an iPad versus a laptop." I don't doubt that many things CAN be done on an iPad... I myself have tried to make the switch. But in the end, it was just WAY easier to my work on a laptop. And I WANTED to be a able to do it on the iPad.

My work isn't crazy or anything... Writing 20 page-150 page documents with a lot of PDF research and heavy footnoting. Unfortunately, this usually requires 3-10 windows open at once. If I have my laptop connected to my big monitor, not a problem, on the laptop screen it usually requires a bit of maneuvering, but nothing as bad as on the iPad. Additionally, some of my most heavily used programs simply aren't available on an iPad, but whatever. Even when I find apps that essentially do the same thing, I still can't do anything with only two windows. Also, I often have multiple PDFs open that I need to look at at the same time. Besides using two PDF apps, this isn't really possible, plus I need to look at both of them while I am writing, so I need at least one more window.

I just don't get it... I am sure that you could write fiction decently enough on an iPad. Surely you can blog, because most of these iPad-only people apparently are hipster bloggers (just kidding lol). I have heard of some simple coding on an iPad, but it surely can't compare to doing it on a Mac or PC (correct me if I am wrong here).

Believe me, I WANT to use just an iPad (consolidate devices). But it just doesn't work for me, and I don't consider my work TOO serious in terms of computing power or needs. Maybe this whole debate is just two camps unable to agree on what constitutes "serious."

I can't use an iPad as my only device either. Yet, in the six short years since it was introduced, the iPad & iOS combo have evolved from being able to handle, maybe 10% of my work in 2010, to 80-90% today. I'm looking forward to the next WWDC and adding a few more percentage points.