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Given the choice, would you live in Middle Earth or the SW Universe ?
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Definately the Middle Earth.
Gandalf could kick Yoda's ass!
Yoda would mess that fool up so fast...
But if its a war you want, SW would eat Middle Earth. Jedi, Sith, Dark Jedi, Clones, CIS, Rebels, Middle Earth wouldn't know what hit them.
I'd also have to say Star Trek. I mean, it's still Earth, plus, holodecks Romulan wine!
Can I change my answer. I totally agree. Though the only chick in Star Trek I find hot is Kes. Hello!
While Seven of Nine and T'Pol are good looking and intelligent, they really don't have much else going for them.Having a holodeck would be cool as well. And I could replicate all the iPhones I wanted!
Can I change my answer. I totally agree. Though the only chick in Star Trek I find hot is Kes. Hello!
Kes?! Heck no, it's all about some Seven.
Oh, and the chicks Kirk use to get in ToS.
Definately the Middle Earth.
Gandalf could kick Yoda's ass!
No way. I still don't believe he can even pull a rabbit out of a hat, let alone do real magic.
A light shone from the top of his walking stick one time, but um.......that's it. He kind of sucks.
Oh sure, ignore the fact that he freaking took on one of the powers that created middle earth...
To each his own I guess. Somehow, Borg implants don't really turn me on.
Ah yes, Kirk's chicks were pretty hot as well. They were kind of annoying though.
Though what was that one chick Spock got on that ice planet? Hello!
LMAO!
To each his own I guess. Somehow, Borg implants don't really turn me on.
Ah yes, Kirk's chicks were pretty hot as well. They were kind of annoying though.
Though what was that one chick Spock got on that ice planet? Hello!
The shapeshifter? Didn't that turn out to be a guy?
Yoda, still wins. He killed some of the greatest warriors(none-Jedi) in the galaxy, with out even trying(Royal Red Guards in RoS)
Force powers plus Lightsaber= Yoda wins
No, it was an episode from the TV show. It's the one where they visit that planet and step through a time portal. Spock and McCoy get sent to an ice world, and they find this hot chick who was sent there as a punishment. I don't remember what it was called, it's been a while since I've seen it.
Is there a third choice? Such as hell? Cos really, after George Lucas destroyed the Star Wars universe, and since Lord of the Rings was nothing but three movies of people walking, even the ****ing trees walked! (yes, that's taken from mallrats 2), I'd rather be in hell.
Didn't Gandalf die?
Did you see Yoda die in a fight? No, because he was too busy winning!
Oh no you di-in't!
I'm sorry, but this has to be done...
Gandalf is a Maia, which is sort of like an angel, in the house of Manwe and Varda. Manwe and Varda are the most powerful of the Ainu (Gods). Manwe chose Olorin (Gandalf) to go to Middle Earth, and even wanted him to be the head of the Order, but Olorin declined and the lead was given to Curumo (Saruman).
The Istari (Wizards) have the ability to take whatever form they want (due to the fact that they're spiritual beings), and they chose to take the form of old men when they came to Middle Earth.
The Istari were also forbidden to show outward displays of power to sway the locals. This is why you never saw Gandalf pull any rabbits out of his hat.
The Balrog that Gandalf slew atop Zirakzigal was a Maia as well, but a Maia of Fire who Melkor (the bad God, to whom Sauron was simply a servant) corrupted. Now consider this, Gandalf's power was incredibly subdued in his current form (that of an old man) whereas the Balrog was at it's full power, and Galdalf still emerged the victor!
Yoda wouldn't have even been able to defeat the Balrog, let alone Gandalf. Yoda is just a funny little green thing that has mastered telekinesis and mind control, and has a silly little light sword that would be useless against a Balrog. And I highly doubt his mind control would be of any use against a spiritual being.
middle earth, I mean come on elves, those guys are hot! and magic, I would gladly give up my MBP or a laser to snap my fingers and watch something catch fire. but without the magic, I would go starwars.
Take away the star ships and it would be a good fight.
Calaquendi (or High Elves): Elrond, Gladrial, and ones that long sailed away, more powerful than both.
The Wizards (Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, and two others)
Sauron (The dark lord)
Melkor (aka Morgoth, the devil incarnate, Sauron's master for a time)
Nazgul (Witch Kings, a slight step down from wizards in power on middle earth)
Balrogs (demons in hiding, who no longer have any master)
Worms, or later Dragons (Not a lizard with wings, but highly intelligent, magic wielding beasts. But of lesser power than Balrogs.)
Most of the beasts of middle earth, no matter how ugly, wouldn't stand a chance against even a single Jedi. But the ones I just listed are not human, and do not fight with "swords" but with energy from spirit and mind, aka magic. Most of them show the ability to perform and resist many of the powers the jedi appear to have. If anyone can think of one, speak up.
Also note I'm leaving the almost god-like Valor out of this, even though Melkor was one of them, the good ones didn't really take any roll in Middle Earth outside of helping create it.
I'm also leaving out the Maiar, who were only a slight step down from the Valor, and from which the Wizards, Sauron, and the Balrogs were derived.
And again on High Elves, some of them were able to take down Balrogs, and they walked through armies like jello. Melkor used Dragons, Balrogs, Sauran, and even himself to defeat High Elves when they went marching.
In closing...
No, the Star wars Characters would not walk all over the middle earth characters. But than the power and magic has vastly faded by the time of the Lord of the Rings. You have to go back to the 1st and 2nd age of middle-earth, to the Silmarillion to see any real power (outside of Saraun, wizards, and a few high elves that stay away)
There, I've done my nerd writing for the day. Peace
Gandalf threw Saruman around like a tin can, as was himself thrown around like one. He also "battled" a giant flaming demon. You really think he did that with just a metal sword and a few wrinkles?
pah-lease
Also note that Gandalf did that without his staff/wand, which was broken in the collapsing of the bridge when they first confront each other.
Give him back his staff and see what happens
Yoda would have done that and just dusted his shoulders off, brotha!
I've read LOTR 3 times, and the Silmarillion 3/4 of the way through (interesting book, but not a good time for me to read). I don't actually know much about the SW universe (other than what I remember from the movies), but I can imagine a Death Star wiping that planet clean. Maias are powerful, sure, but what good is a Maia's power when their planet is gone!
Helloooooooo early retirement.
I've read LOTR 3 times, and the Silmarillion 3/4 of the way through (interesting book, but not a good time for me to read). I don't actually know much about the SW universe (other than what I remember from the movies), but I can imagine a Death Star wiping that planet clean. Maias are powerful, sure, but what good is a Maia's power when their planet is gone!
Helloooooooo early retirement.
In two fantasy worlds, it's hard to say what would actually be possible or who would actually win-- so I'm out of that discussion.
Magic and all would be cool, but the force seems overall more powerful to me (plus you can be young and use it instead of being a 700 year old wizard before you use magic).
I think babes in both worlds are just as hot.
I think it would come down to the alcohol -- I think I want a little more than meade, but I'm not really sure what a SWU has to offer although they've got some funky cantinas to go to.
Magic and all would be cool, but the force seems overall more powerful to me (plus you can be young and use it instead of being a 700 year old wizard before you use magic).
I think babes in both worlds are just as hot.
I think it would come down to the alcohol -- I think I want a little more than meade, but I'm not really sure what a SWU has to offer although they've got some funky cantinas to go to.
Their first attack in the SW galaxy was to drop a moon on a planet, killing Chewbacca, nearly taking Han Solo and young Anakin with them. The final book reveals that the total number of people killed in this war was somewhere in the trillions. Very nasty people. Not interested in assimilation at all.
Good series, though.
Same here. I like the idea of being w/o tech ruling my life all the time. But, I would miss much the conveniences that come with a modern tech lifestyle. Also, I could not stand the sanitary conditions of Middle Earth and I don't fancy getting chopped in half w/a sword.
SW seems to be the choice then for me. With its space ships, space travel, and many different planets and aliens. But
I prefer Battlestar Galactica 2004 universe. Almost everyone is having sex there.
Well, the Maia and Valor created the world. They are not bound to it ;-)
But it's because of these angel and God-like beings and their mystical nature that I left them out when I discussed a comparison. I also left out the star ships of SW, and that includes the death star ;-)
Even an orc in an x-wing could do more damage than his intelligence and power should permit. And that is just no fun.
Anyhoo, it's kind of a mute point. They are two different universes, with two different underlying powers that neither author/athors go into in enough detail. At least not enough detail to get a complete grasp of how it could be applied to reality. But that's part of the fun, right? That the none physical nature of their power is left open to interpretation and wonder.
That said, I think a lot of people take Tolkien's Elves and Wizards and think they are the same as other such fantasy stories. So very wrong. Tolkien wrote the book on these guys, and they have more history and power than all other fantasies combined (ruling out games).
For Wizards and Elves, their swords were a symbol of the power they held within them. They may use them to stab lesser beings, but when they fought beings of higher power, it was not using anything physical. Another example would be Gandalf stopping the giant blade of the Balrog at Khazad-dum as it fell on him. No "old man" or strength along would have stopped something like that. Especially when the Balrog was not just swinging with a physical blade.
Tolkien's universe was far more complex in the super (or none) natural. It was hard to think about any of it as "spells" or "magic" but more as just power that reached out from different beings. Any lesser power, and that sword of the Balrog would have vanquished you.
For a Friday afternoon post, I never really thought it would generate such interest lol !
Must dream up another question this week
Personally, I'm still torn between the two. Always wanted to be a pilot or smuggler in SW, surrounded by tech. But right now, even in my own 'real' life, I really yearn for a simpler life with no job hassles, fields as far as the eye can see.
Middle Earth I guess, as a Ranger or an Elf, for me.
Anyone hazard a guess as to what Mr Jobs would choose ?
Must dream up another question this week
Personally, I'm still torn between the two. Always wanted to be a pilot or smuggler in SW, surrounded by tech. But right now, even in my own 'real' life, I really yearn for a simpler life with no job hassles, fields as far as the eye can see.
Middle Earth I guess, as a Ranger or an Elf, for me.
Anyone hazard a guess as to what Mr Jobs would choose ?