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I don't see why etiquette only applies to people in your immediate proximity, when we live in a world of long range communications. If my mother needs to speak with me and calls, why is that immediately undervalued compred to a friend that happens to be near me telling me about their drinking escapades of the night before? Also as a business owner, calls and messages come to me all the time that often require immediate responses. I claim the right to review the queries for my time and prioritize them accordingly, no matter if they are from someone in fromt of me, someone who taps me on the shoulder while im in the middle of a conversation, or even from a buzz on my phone or a tap at my wrist.

I do think it is society that needs to adjust to the fact that we can connect with important people in our life without direct physical proximity. It didn't used to be that way, and now it is.

When people talk about seeing others mindlessly immersed in their phones at restaurants, I think in most cases that is actually a different thing. Passively browsing instagram or facebook or playing angry birds is a totally different thing than responding to a live-person notification. I completely agree it is rude as anything and the fault of the individual, when they choose to remove themselves from the immediate social situation just because they are bored.

I think the distinction between those use cases should be highlighted.

The problem the OP mentions is a real one. People are accustomed to a watch telling you one thing: the time. They are NOT accustomed to the wach trying to get your attention, and so the act of checking it has the insinuation of boredom or anti-social distraction, and hence the reaction. Once people realize that the watch is actively informing people of messages and calls and select emails, I think this reaction will change. It as the same difference as described above... Is the user being queried for their time, or is the user disinterested in their present surroundings. One is rude, the other -- if not strictly polite -- is at least warranted.

Edit: I'm speaking more in general social environments... Obviously there are situations where it is not appropriate to check notifications at all, and the OP's work environment might be one of those situations.

This reminds me of beepers and how people might be "on-call" and clearly they need to be responsive to it. I was the manager on-duty a resort for awhile and the beeper actually played the recorded message out loud. I was apologizing for it constantly.

I have had people call me out for staring at my phone for so long too. And then I just tell them what I'm doing: "I'm reading a book." And then they're confused.

As far as people working in customer service, I think if you are good at what you do people won't feel you're being rude by looking at your watch or phone. If however, they feel like you're being ineffective they may call you out for looking at your device.

I used a device for work when I worked in a store. it was really important to me that my customer understood what I was doing and why. "Let me check inventory for you." "I'm going to be able to do that for you right here with this device." "This is so much faster then when we had to always go back and crawl around in the back room."
 
People think way too much about the Apple Watch. If you're helping a customer or even in a conversation and you look at your watch, phone, other people, cars passing by, whatever... it's just called being rude. Simple as that. Feel a tap, who cares. Same thing as feeling a buzz from your phone. Ignore it for a bit. It's not that hard.
 
I think the distinction between those use cases should be highlighted.

The problem the OP mentions is a real one. People are accustomed to a watch telling you one thing: the time. They are NOT accustomed to the wach trying to get your attention, and so the act of checking it has the insinuation of boredom or anti-social distraction, and hence the reaction. Once people realize that the watch is actively informing people of messages and calls and select emails, I think this reaction will change. It as the same difference as described above... Is the user being queried for their time, or is the user disinterested in their present surroundings. One is rude, the other -- if not strictly polite -- is at least warranted.

Edit: I'm speaking more in general social environments... Obviously there are situations where it is not appropriate to check notifications at all, and the OP's work environment might be one of those situations.

I agree completely. A lot of people were eager to tee off on the completely separate topic of whether not checking your phone in public is socially rude/anti-social behavior.

The real issue the OP wrote about it the widely held perception that looking at your watch insinuates you are bored with the situation or have somewhere else to be. That perception isn't going to change until smartwatches becomes as ubiquitous as smartphones.

Fairly or unfairly, if I'm talking to someone and they check their phone occasionally, it sends a completely different vibe than if someone keeps looking at their watch. I think this could especially be true in the business world.
 
The international sign of disinterest or being in a rush is looking at your watch. I was helping my dad out at his business, and while I had my back turned to the customer to grab something off the shelf I naturally glanced at my watch when I felt a tap and the customer said "are you about to go on lunch?". At first I was confused why she would ask that and said no, but after a few seconds I realized that society still needs time to adjust to smartwatches and the fact that looking at your watch no longer just means checking the time. Never having owned a watch before the Apple Watch, this sometimes escapes me when I look down at it. I'll need to be more vigilant about checking my Watch in front of people I don't know so it doesn't get perceived as rude. Society will need some time to adjust body language perceptions to this new technology.

It's an interesting topic. One I've certainly not pondered in 20+ years since I had last worn a watch. But you are correct: it's historically been a visual cue to suggest "hurry, time's a wasting'." Society will likely need some time to adjust. Unlike traditional watches that are rarely checked, smart watches offer so much more data/info that now may require more glances than before. Should be interesting to see how this aspect evolves. Again, interesting topic.

Now that watches are starting to make their way to more users' wrists, it's beyond refreshing that the flight tracking and "Apple lied" comments should start to give way to discussions with more substance. Like this one. Was a rough few weeks there. ;)

Cheers.
 
I Posted a response to a similar situation in another thread. iwas in a training meeting and was expecting a email from a contractor that i had left a question with. i had my Pebble watch on and my phone in silence mode, and whenever i would get an email and my Pebble would vibrate i would, to my thinking, surreptitiously look at my watch to see if it was the email I was waiting for.

After having done this 3 or 4 times the presenter, who was my bosses boss said, "Tom, we're almost done here." I realized that I hadn't been as clever as I thought and explained what I was doing. He understood and after the meeting asked me about the Pebble watch.

Point is that you do have to take care of when and how you check your :apple: watch. Society will eventually catch up to this new tech and new rules will be formulated by the Miss Manners of the world to cover situations like this. Until then we just have to be situationally aware of when and how we use our tech.
 
I agree completely. A lot of people were eager to tee off on the completely separate topic of whether not checking your phone in public is socially rude/anti-social behavior.

The real issue the OP wrote about it the widely held perception that looking at your watch insinuates you are bored with the situation or have somewhere else to be. That perception isn't going to change until smartwatches becomes as ubiquitous as smartphones.

Fairly or unfairly, if I'm talking to someone and they check their phone occasionally, it sends a completely different vibe than if someone keeps looking at their watch. I think this could especially be true in the business world.

That's because the watch is an extension of the iPhone and presents the same problem.

Yes the idea of being bored or disinterested by checking one's watch is traditional problem with wristwatches, not so closely related to the smartphone. And yes society will eventually get used to the idea of someone checking their watch for something other than the time. However, while they may give the benefit of the doubt that the user is not simply bored, the net effect is the same. If someone checks their watch to read a notification (outside of an emergency professional on call), there is absolutely no excuse for checking notifications, whether on the watch or the phone. It sends the signal to the people in the room that they are less important than whatever is happening on the watch or phone. And frankly the watch is more obvious than just stealing a glance at a face-up phone that lights up on the table.

Just because society stops associating checking one's watch because they are bored, doesn't make it any more acceptable. And that's the issue, and why it relates to the iPhone. If the OP is seeking acceptance of his Pavlovian behavior to constantly check the notifications on his watch the minute they arrive regardless of the circumstances, because he's not checking the time, then I don't see how it's justified. He's replacing one bad habit with another. I would argue that society in general accepts compulsive phone checking behavior, but they don't condone it, nor generally approve of it. It's just an accepted part of modern life, but still considered rude, and annoying. At least people understood Doctors who got paged during a concert, but it didn't make it any less rude or annoying. But then, businessmen started wearing pagers, and many others who did not need to be in constant connection. When their pagers start going off at concerts, or at dinner, then it became a nuisance. Just like carrying on a conversation on your cell phone in a restaurant, which is still frowned upon, or getting a dozen texts during a dinner with someone, whether you check them or not. The watch at least does one thing, makes the notifications go unnoticed by all but the wearer, so why spoil the positives by then checking it, like you would the phone that would otherwise alert everyone? And if you're really expecting an important notification, then do the polite thing and temporarily favorite the person, or thread, so you only respond to that notification. And then warn people that you're expecting such a notification.

If anything it's the people using the devices that need to modify their behavior.
 
Any time you do anything that takes your focus from the person or people you are with, you are telling them they are not the most important thing to you at that moment. It does not matter if you are turning to get a box off the shelf and check your watch, or if you have some sort if implied "social contract" that says it's ok to check your phone. Body language is clearly an art that is quickly disappearing from society. The way many of you seem to act in social situations is rude, and the people around you most likely are not as accepting of it as you believe they are, but then again, who cares about them? Again, the me-ification of society.
 
I've never fallen for the "it's rude to check your watch" meme. Unless you know someone's schedule, you have no way to know why they're checking their watch, legitimately (How many minutes do I have left until the 2:30 meeting?) or otherwise. You could just as easily argue that it's rude not to make eye contact, positing a host of pop-psych reasons about how furtive interlocutors aren't really being "present".

We like to tell ourselves stories about other people that suit our own dispositions. If we don't get someone's undivided attention, it's more comforting to believe the other person is being rude than to believe we're being narcissists. At some point, we all have to grow up and become more emotionally resilient.
 
We like to tell ourselves stories about other people that suit our own dispositions. If we don't get someone's undivided attention, it's more comforting to believe the other person is being rude than to believe we're being narcissists. At some point, we all have to grow up and become more emotionally resilient.

I think you underestimate intuition. These feelings aren't the result of self pity or something like, but rather years and years of experiences that tell us we aren't important to the person buried in their phone. No one wants that feeling.
 
Does anyone know if Apple Store employees will be allowed to wear their :apple:Watches at work? If so, I imagine there would be strict rules about watch etiquette while on duty.
 
I think you underestimate intuition. These feelings aren't the result of self pity or something like, but rather years and years of experiences that tell us we aren't important to the person buried in their phone. No one wants that feeling.
As an African-American who's frequently been on the wrong side of other peoples "intuitions", I'd argue that intuition is far more cultivated and fallible than people romanticize it to be.

The keenest intuition is no substitute for information. If I don't know that you have an upcoming meeting, and that you don't know whether you have two minutes or six minutes left, my intuition about your watch glance will be based on my agenda, not yours, so taking offense would be presumptuous. Whether my "non-importance" is a new assumption or recurring one, it's still an assumption with no empirical substance. It's, as I've suggested, a story I've told myself that puts me on higher ground than you—when, in fact, it's mere narcissism.
 
Handling a meeting with courtesy and professionalism is a discipline. Looking impatiently at a watch is nothing new to smart watches.
 
Except for the person wasn't talking to me. I had my back turned to them and was getting something for them. Regardless, they still interpreted it as "hurry up and leave". If I had checked my phone, I wouldn't have gotten that reaction because it would have been assumed I'm checking something other than the time.

But would you have checked your phone in the middle of dealing with a customer anyway? Just treat it as the same kinda thing.
 
I've never fallen for the "it's rude to check your watch" meme. Unless you know someone's schedule, you have no way to know why they're checking their watch, legitimately (How many minutes do I have left until the 2:30 meeting?) or otherwise. You could just as easily argue that it's rude not to make eye contact, positing a host of pop-psych reasons about how furtive interlocutors aren't really being "present".

We like to tell ourselves stories about other people that suit our own dispositions. If we don't get someone's undivided attention, it's more comforting to believe the other person is being rude than to believe we're being narcissists. At some point, we all have to grow up and become more emotionally resilient.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. There are plenty of reasons someone could be checking the time that don't mean they're being completely rude. For example, one could be diabetic and needs to check her blood sugar levels soon. Or taking a medication that must be taken at a specific time.

So to the OP, next time someone asks you this just say "It's almost time for me to take my crazy pills," or "I need to empty my colostomy bag soon." That will make them wish they never asked in the first place. #
 
No, because it's two different things.

But they may not be two different things to your customer. Look at the evidence. Why do you think your customer asked you:

... and the customer said "are you about to go on lunch?".

Hang on, no need to answer. You actually know the right answer:
...At first I was confused why she would ask that and said no, but after a few seconds I realized that society still needs time to adjust to smartwatches...

So, the question to be asking yourself is, "what can I do to help others adjust to my puzzling behavior in this transition period?". And the simple answer is; just do what polite society has done for ages: say something like "excuse me, this is really rather important. I'll be back with you in a sec." It's just good manners. Saves you coming across as an uninterested boor. You owe that to yourself.
 
So to the OP, next time someone asks you this just say "It's almost time for me to take my crazy pills," or "I need to empty my colostomy bag soon." That will make them wish they never asked in the first place.
Except, to the extent that was a legitimate excuse with a traditional wristwatch, the OP no longer has that excuse, because he will have a taptic notification alarm alerting him without the need to constantly check his watch. Therefore his response should be, "excuse me, I must go take my crazy pills NOW", or "I need to empty my colostomy bag NOW", and walk away to do just that.
 
I don't immediately respond to my watch or iPhone when it taps me or makes a sound. I look at it when it is convenient to me and when it would not be perceived as rude to do so.

Oh, sure. Like when you're waiting in a line for coffee.

A guy in line ahead of me at Starbucks, kept raising his arm with such frequency that it was apparent he wanted attention because of his Apple Watch.

Oh. Oops. Turns out you can't please everyone.

Moral of the thread: Someone will always think you're rude no matter what you do.
 
How's the weather up there on your high horse? :rolleyes:

I knew this thread would invite ridiculous comments from your type...

Make no mistake though, society will adjust to the upcoming prevalence of smartwatches, and your comment will seem even sillier than it already does now.
His type huh...... He points out the obvious and you complain about his point. Why did you wait to turn around before glancing at your watch?
 
Does anyone know if Apple Store employees will be allowed to wear their :apple:Watches at work? If so, I imagine there would be strict rules about watch etiquette while on duty.

When I went to the Indianapolis :apple: Store for my try on there were 3 or 4 employees with :apple: Watches on. they were eager for me to see them as well.
 
People think way too much about the Apple Watch. If you're helping a customer or even in a conversation and you look at your watch, phone, other people, cars passing by, whatever... it's just called being rude. Simple as that. Feel a tap, who cares. Same thing as feeling a buzz from your phone. Ignore it for a bit. It's not that hard.

That's because the watch is an extension of the iPhone and presents the same problem.

Yes the idea of being bored or disinterested by checking one's watch is traditional problem with wristwatches, not so closely related to the smartphone. And yes society will eventually get used to the idea of someone checking their watch for something other than the time. However, while they may give the benefit of the doubt that the user is not simply bored, the net effect is the same. If someone checks their watch to read a notification (outside of an emergency professional on call), there is absolutely no excuse for checking notifications, whether on the watch or the phone. It sends the signal to the people in the room that they are less important than whatever is happening on the watch or phone. And frankly the watch is more obvious than just stealing a glance at a face-up phone that lights up on the table.

Just because society stops associating checking one's watch because they are bored, doesn't make it any more acceptable. And that's the issue, and why it relates to the iPhone. If the OP is seeking acceptance of his Pavlovian behavior to constantly check the notifications on his watch the minute they arrive regardless of the circumstances, because he's not checking the time, then I don't see how it's justified. He's replacing one bad habit with another. I would argue that society in general accepts compulsive phone checking behavior, but they don't condone it, nor generally approve of it. It's just an accepted part of modern life, but still considered rude, and annoying. At least people understood Doctors who got paged during a concert, but it didn't make it any less rude or annoying. But then, businessmen started wearing pagers, and many others who did not need to be in constant connection. When their pagers start going off at concerts, or at dinner, then it became a nuisance. Just like carrying on a conversation on your cell phone in a restaurant, which is still frowned upon, or getting a dozen texts during a dinner with someone, whether you check them or not. The watch at least does one thing, makes the notifications go unnoticed by all but the wearer, so why spoil the positives by then checking it, like you would the phone that would otherwise alert everyone? And if you're really expecting an important notification, then do the polite thing and temporarily favorite the person, or thread, so you only respond to that notification. And then warn people that you're expecting such a notification.

If anything it's the people using the devices that need to modify their behavior.

Any time you do anything that takes your focus from the person or people you are with, you are telling them they are not the most important thing to you at that moment. It does not matter if you are turning to get a box off the shelf and check your watch, or if you have some sort if implied "social contract" that says it's ok to check your phone. Body language is clearly an art that is quickly disappearing from society. The way many of you seem to act in social situations is rude, and the people around you most likely are not as accepting of it as you believe they are, but then again, who cares about them? Again, the me-ification of society.

I think you underestimate intuition. These feelings aren't the result of self pity or something like, but rather years and years of experiences that tell us we aren't important to the person buried in their phone. No one wants that feeling.

This comment from the OP indicates that it is not the Apple Watch which is making him rude, he is just naturally rude.

But would you have checked your phone in the middle of dealing with a customer anyway? Just treat it as the same kinda thing.

But they may not be two different things to your customer. Look at the evidence. Why do you think your customer asked you:



Hang on, no need to answer. You actually know the right answer:


So, the question to be asking yourself is, "what can I do to help others adjust to my puzzling behavior in this transition period?". And the simple answer is; just do what polite society has done for ages: say something like "excuse me, this is really rather important. I'll be back with you in a sec." It's just good manners. Saves you coming across as an uninterested boor. You owe that to yourself.

Except, to the extent that was a legitimate excuse with a traditional wristwatch, the OP no longer has that excuse, because he will have a taptic notification alarm alerting him without the need to constantly check his watch. Therefore his response should be, "excuse me, I must go take my crazy pills NOW", or "I need to empty my colostomy bag NOW", and walk away to do just that.

His type huh...... He points out the obvious and you complain about his point. Why did you wait to turn around before glancing at your watch?

I'm glad to see there are still plenty of decent people left! I really hope society doesn't end up being as rude and anti-social as the OP.

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No, because it's two different things.

No, it's not. It's actually the exact same thing. By checking your Apple Watch for notifications, you are literally checking to see what new texts/emails/etc you've received on your phone. It is no different than pulling out your phone in front of someone. It's just a smaller screen that's not in your pocket anymore. Still the same thing, and the same rudeness.
 
A guy in line ahead of me at Starbucks, kept raising his arm with such frequency that it was apparent he wanted attention because of his Apple Watch. The funny part was no one paid attention to him. In the community where this Starbucks is located it's takes far more than just your average Apple watch to impress people.

Aside from my partner, I haven't seen another Apple Watch out in the wild.
 
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