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Glossy only MUST stop!

jonG said:
Listen up glossy lovers, who decide this could be their first mac for photos, youtube whatever else you want to use it for great. For us professionals who have been using macs before they were the cool thing to take to starbucks we were buying macs 3 years ago that only came with MATTE SCREENS! imaging that glossy lovers, no glossy screens. It wasn't that long ago that matte was the standard and that glossy was not even a BTO option. We that have been using these screens forever have been screwed by apple because the consumers love glossy screens. Do i really care what consumers like to watch their itunes movies on.....No. what I care about is being able to get a machine that I can work on and not be seeing what is behind me. I own a design studio with 5 of us and everyone uses matte MBP's and cinema displays....what the %$#@ do we do now. For those of devoted apple users who need these machines to make a a living on, I feel we have been screwed so apple could sell more computers for people to watch their lame itunes content on. If you dont use these machines for work/design/video whatever, you wont get it...so go buy the glossy screens and dont comment on how they look shinier and more contrasty....
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Wow, buying Mac 3 years ago... would you like a cookie?

So let me get this straight...you do serious graphics work and you're upset about your laptop's screen? The fact that you use a Cinema Display for your color work negates the rest of your credibility as you should still be using a high end CRT monitor.
 
Another example of how Apple is now in the copying, not innovating, game... go figure.

More wall-to-wall shiny consumer computer screen greatness...! :cool: I kinda like these a little better, 'cause you can get 11.1" as well as 13.3" down as low as 2.5 lbs. Nice little packages, other than having to 'hackintosh' them...
 
SamSchneeberger said:
When we are on location there is more reflection, I dont want to build a tent around my computer.
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I've had my MBP for about six weeks now and I have never noticed any glare on my glossy display while the computer is on. I use my MBP in every lighting situation, including outdoors in sunlight, and still no glare. But I do notice the glare when the MBP is off. I guess if you're a nitpicker who constantly looks for something to complain about, you will find it. ;)
 
The glossy I can handle without issue. It's the new glass that's the killer and pushed me into the only Apple portable I could really stand looking at for long hours, the Air. Hopefully they'll remove the glass next rev. and have a coated glossy (old style) which isn't so bad when compared. It works okay on an iMac but for portable it's not so fun.
 
agbot said:
or the CRTs of yesteryear were able to be calibrated better than the current LED displays (which very well may be the case... I don't know).
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I dabble in graphics and I still use an old CRT to edit photos. Yes, my CRT has a glass screen that reflects light, but I don't notice it. CRTs can be calibrated while LCD screens can not.
 
thejadedmonkey said:
If that was the case, why would anyone want a laptop? :rolleyes:
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Well there is some truth to what they are saying, but that is a matter of both opinion, and the overall destination of the work being done.

The laptops we use feature a technology called Twisted Nematic (TN) to produce both images and color. They are great screens but lack correct color representation as most (if not all?) on the market are 6bit color as opposed to 8bit. A high end LCD display is often utilizing IPS, S-IPS or similar technology, and usually (if not always) offer up true 8bit color to the viewer.

Good read on different LCD technology
http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php

Good read on 6bit vs 8bit color
http://compreviews.about.com/od/multimedia/a/LCDColor.htm

lcd color article said:
Does it Really Matter?

This is very subjective to the actual user and what the computer is used for. The amount of color really matters to those that do professional work on graphics. For these people, the amount of color that is displayed on the screen is very important. The average consumer is not going to really need this level of color representation by their monitor. As a result, it probably doesn't matter. People using their displays for video games or watching video will likely not care about the number of colors rendered by the LCD but by the speed at which it can be displayed. As a result, it is best to determine your needs and base your purchase on those criteria.
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With that said, I do rough drafts, and all web destined work on my laptops, but need to take it home to use a dedicated (calibrated) display for anything I take to print, or submit to clients.

Regardless of color accuracy, having a laptop in the field , for me, is absolutely awesome and I wouldn't go without it!



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MBPDiva said:
I dabble in graphics and I still use an old CRT to edit photos. Yes, my CRT has a glass screen that reflects light, but I don't notice it. CRTs can be calibrated while LCD screens can not.
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Um...you can calibrate LCD screens...
 
Toronto Mike said:
Not that I am in the market for a laptop, but I was for a desktop. I was considering an iMac, but then they went glossy - and stayed stuck on this 4GB limitation - when software is bloating out of control, thus shortening the lifespan of any machine pegged at 4GB.

Who is Apple kidding?

They want to push the mid-level pro to the higher priced Mac Pro, and now they've taken the matte option from the Macbook Pro.

Do the Cinema Displays go completely glossy?

The end for me is if all the manufacturer's monitors go glossy. I work in the film industry as an electric/grip, and we have to build tents around monitors so people can see them becasue of the reflections. Why should anyone have to deal with these kinds of issues if there are options available.

Oh sorry - Apple doesn't give you options anymore - and make you pay for every little adaptor when they decide to change the rules. I guess in their infinate wisdom they know best? Please.

I bought a used G5 because Apple refuses to build a Mid-Mac Tower that I can upgrade myself and not pay a technician $100 just to open the case. I voted with my hard earned cash and will follow these developments in the future.

It is sad to see Apple professional users being ignored like this.

Mike
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I think Apple is eventually moving their entire CD line to the likings of the new 24"...
 
CoreyOlin said:
Every comment like this is coming from people who simply do not understand the value or purpose of getting correct color value from it's source. It also suggests that they don't actually read these threads. It's like asking a plumber about Industrial Design. Oh, wait... that's exactly what it is. :D
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Since the panel is TN, who cares? It's not going to be accurate no matter what's in front of it. You talk like you know something, but really you know nothing.
 
Apple Corps said:
Anti-reflective coatings are very common on glass - MgF2 being a common one.

My issue is the horrible reflection - the new version MBP glossy screens are more reflective than the older version glossy.

The worlds most sophisticated glass lenses are all multi coated - many techniques.
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And super expensive.
 
pdxflint said:
No, you're not the only one getting sick of all the hostility being shown by those who got their preferred option to those who don't want it. Imagine if it were the other way around, and matte was the only default. period. I guess all the folks irritated by us fans of matte would be whining like babies.

To all you folks happy with the glossy screen, could you just go enjoy your computers and quit being such dinks to those of us who prefer something else? Please. I don't care what you use, or like - that's your business. If reading these threads irritates you, don't friggin' read them. The rest of us don't care if they irritate you, especially since you have a choice to read or not to read. At least you have a choice, right? Those of us who want matte screens don't have a choice.

And for the theory that because glossy outsells matte Apple decided matte wasn't worth it, then why doesn't Apple just sell Windows computers? I hear they outsell Mac by a considerable percentage... but that wouldn't be Apple-like, now would it? :rolleyes:
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They could..but Apple makes more money selling Macs..
 
jonG said:
Listen up glossy lovers, who decide this could be their first mac for photos, youtube whatever else you want to use it for great. For us professionals who have been using macs before they were the cool thing to take to starbucks we were buying macs 3 years ago that only came with MATTE SCREENS! imaging that glossy lovers, no glossy screens. It wasn't that long ago that matte was the standard and that glossy was not even a BTO option. We that have been using these screens forever have been screwed by apple because the consumers love glossy screens. Do i really care what consumers like to watch their itunes movies on.....No. what I care about is being able to get a machine that I can work on and not be seeing what is behind me. I own a design studio with 5 of us and everyone uses matte MBP's and cinema displays....what the %$#@ do we do now. For those of devoted apple users who need these machines to make a a living on, I feel we have been screwed so apple could sell more computers for people to watch their lame itunes content on. If you dont use these machines for work/design/video whatever, you wont get it...so go buy the glossy screens and dont comment on how they look shinier and more contrasty....
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Just because you're a "professional" doesn't make your opinion matter more than the "rest" of us.

Also you should be using at least this http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg301w/index.asp since you're so "professional". Not some crappy Apple Cinema Display..sheesh
 
MUST? ah the vocal minority

look, i feel for ya, i really do, it is pretty hard to care, but i do....

the simple truth is that the majority prefer the glossy. would it be great if Apple offered both? hell ya! it would be great if they also offered all the other computer builds people want. me, i want a 10 inch version of the MBA. but they don't make it, they don't offer it, it ain't gonna happen.

but you are just a very small minority.

petitions? unfair Apple? whatever....

look, if you believed everything that the vocal minority said online, Ron Paul is our next president, snakes on a plane was the 2 best movies ever made, and Apples glossy screens will bring about the end times.

i am sorry but my country is killing innocent people and taking away human rights while the economy collapses and wasilla barbie is trying to get elected on a platform of ignorance and arrogance while religious nut bags try to take away basic rights from people based on their gender and sexuality. i love my Macs, and i love reading Mac news, but can we stop talking about screen reflections as if they are earth shaking events? please?

look if i had a genie in a bottle i would wish for BTO matte screens for you all. right after the world peace and equality thing, really i would, cross my cynical little heart and hope to die, may i be forced to spend eternity counting angels dancing on the head of a pin or Palins understanding of reality, which ever is smaller, but nobody here can do a damn thing about it. send a message to Apple and stop posting about it as if this forum was where Apple went for all their product ideas. please?

look maybe i am just grumpy and maybe the bad weather is affecting me and perhaps i just need to get laid (third wish on the genie thing, way more sex for everyone, i swear it will make the world a better place) but i am soooo sick of this glossy screen issue. every other bloody comment on every bloody thread, over and over and over again. i swear at first i felt really bad about it, but the more posts i read the more i just want to hunt you all down and beat you to death with a 17" MBP. seriously, it would make a great weapon. and you couldn't complain about the screen as you died. i digress.

please, can we just email Apple about it and let it drop? let it die? please?
 
As a performing musician, I am wondering how well the glossy screen will work on stages with very bright lights shining in various directions.

I've been desiring to start using a Mac during performances, but i am just slightly spooked by this right now.

I have both glossy and matte on my desk, and do like the glossy, so my concern about the glossy on a laptop is purely practical. I can't really move it whenever the lighting scenes change on stage :)
 
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