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GM in Talks to buy Chrysler
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Lack of styling? Let's go back 20 years. 1987 models: Camry, Maxima, Accord. Real stylish.
Actually, out of those models in the years since, the 2001-03 Maxima is the only one that looked good, and not bland. Of course, Nissan had to go and **** it up completely.
Thomas Veil said:
Personally, I think the 1996-current Subaru Legacy sedan/wagon (the basis for the Outback) has been one of the best looking cars in that time period.
I think the worst styling of any car company comes from dodge/chrysler.
I'm not kidding.
What the h*** is this? Huge station wagons were dead 15 years ago.
It's appropriate for what it is. It's not just a station wagon, but it's a performance car that has roots in the 1960s and 1970s with various Chrsyler cars with hemi engines.
by selling Daewoo cars, which no matter from what side you look at, are hardly exciting
perhaps the most stupid way to ruin a name ...
*points at the current Maxima, any Camry (bland or just plain ugly), MR2 Spider, new CR-V, or any Toyota (again, either bland or ugly, aside from the Supra and 2000GT)*
What the h*** is this? Huge station wagons were dead 15 years ago.
The Magnum isn't a huge station wagon. This is a huge station wagon.
Besides, wagons are coming back. People are starting to realize they don't need an Excursion to get groceries once a week.
Does it ruin Daewoo's name or Chevrolet's?
They're being sold as Suzuki here but the information panel in the door jamb clearly shows it as a Daewoo product.
I'm not saying a hatchback is a bad thing. But a full fledged fugly station wagon is disgusting. Currently I think chrysler has some of the ugliest cars around.
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Yes the magnum doesn't offer wood grain panelling, but its only a matter of time, as we saw with the PT Cruiser "woody" edition.
I believe he said he didn't like the Vibe's interior. The interior is one of the things that's different between the Vibe and Matrix, so in this case, he CAN bash one without the other.
Although, having been in both cars, I can attest that it's pretty subjective. Just depends on which style you like better.
Some people like the chopped top look and spend lots of money to modify cars from the 1950s. Other people want the same thing in modern cars. The Prowler, PT Cruiser, and Magnum all give people like that cars they find interesting.
You're sounding like those people who still use Mac OS 9 because Mac OS X isn't really an Apple product.
I 2nd that.
10 Years ago every other SUV you saw was a new jeep. Now the japanese and luxury brands have taken over. Jeep is going downhill and they need to get back up to speed. With the new jeeps (2005+), their interiors aren't great, ergonomically and logically speaking they are poorly designed, and they are debatably ugly. IMO, they're not bad looking, its just that parts of the car don't match. Like the front of the grand cherokee is all rounded and such, but the rest is all boxy. The commander is boxy all around but somehow the grill and headlights do not look good with the rest of it. Same with the compass, the whole thing is fine, but the front looks like something off a toy.
The Jeep has been a substandard car for decades, in virtually every respect. Of all of Chrysler's products, I think the Jeep has always been the all-around worst. I'm not sure I understand what keeps this brand alive.
I could understand it more 15 years ago, when Jeep was really the only outdoorsy utility vehicle brand out there. But these days only a rabid Jeep fan can't admit that they're no longer leading that category in any way. It's like Jeep has become Chrysler's SUV brand, except that all of DC's other divisions have SUVs too.
Then again, Land Rover is pretty much the same story, except that they've conned people into paying tens of thousands of dollars more for them. Maybe Jeep needs to hire some of their marketing people.
Well, up until recently the grand cherokee definitely kept jeep alive. I don't know where you live, but you see tons of the grand cherokees made between 1993 and 2004. Maybe its just here, I dunno
. At least 5 students at my school have a grand cherokee. There are also a few wranglers, and a couple liberties and normal cherokees. The wranglers for years have been very popular.The Grand Cherokee interior and overall build quality was pretty good for the 1993-1998 models. I would rate the 1999-2004 models to have an interior better than a tahoe and better than an explorer. The 4.0L AMC I6 although solid, is undoubtedly a soild,excellent engine. Where the problem lied with jeep was with their crappy chrysler transmissions and A/C systems. Talk to any owner of a chrysler product from back then and see what issues they've had.
This brand is alive because people buy their cars, and I don't expect they'll be going anywhere anytime soon. The name is huge too.
I really hope GM doesn't buy chrysler, I think a Jeep Grand Cherokee will eventually become a Tahoe. If someone like Hyundai bought jeep, hopefully with their new age thinking of quality, reliability, high accommodations, and low cost all rolled into one, will help improve Jeep. Additionally, Hyundai's engineers have a very good ability to mimic other, higher end cars, making their low end models stylish.
Right now jeep could be blown off the earth and the only thing missed would be the wrangler. They're dying. They have the potential to come back well. Unlike land rover, they can figure out an electrical system and a simple door lock.
You can really say that almost all luxury car companies con people into spending tends of thousands of dollars more into their car. For example, he's an easy example, the Toyota Land vs the Lexus LX470. Exact same car, but the lexus is 10-15k more.
since Daewoo had no name whatsoever the answer is clear ...
i still remember when Daewoo entered the market and nobody knew what the hype building tv campaign was about ... the laughs we had when their cars got revealed were priceless
You're right. This is essentially about every facet of that car, except in off-road capability, where they were definitely better than the average SUV. Too bad they're not above par in that area anymore. They're just level with most other brands, who all make an SUV that's capable of off-road if it needs to be.
And please tell Jeep that their circular headlights look ridiculous for a brand whose image is "tough and rugged." They look way too cutesy, like they belong on a VW Beetle.
I suppose "retro" is the look they were after. They got it -- but in ways they probably didn't intend.
Pretty similar if you ask me.......
It's been a few years, although I don't remember them being that similar. Regardless, if someone is being picky about interiors, they could find things to argue about there. I didn't say *I* cared about the two interiors.
I agree with your headlight statement 100%.
Jeeps aren't even that capable unless modified. Their wheel articulation is not great and their 4wd is basically the same as most other SUV's that have full time 4wd except for their Quadra-Drive system which has center, front, and rear locking differentials which is pretty dank and the only other car its stock on is the Mercedes G-Class. Quadra-Drive is only available on high end Jeeps though. Land Rover only offers center locking differentials with optional rear locking differentials. Traction control however debatably can do almost the same as locking differentials. And lets face it, chrysler is already making Jeep products on chrysler frames, hurting Jeeps ability to make a seriously capable car. Before you know it, a durango and a grand cherokee will be the same thing. Not that anyone is going to take their Jeep or Land Rover or Mercedes off road, but Jeep is just marketing too with their "Trail Rated SUVs". In their commercials they are driving where ford taurus could go off road. You can tell Jeep is desperate, go look in the newspaper and see how much you can get a new Grand Cherokee for.
I would like to see a Jeep do this. (And the Range Rover overall isn't as good as the LR3/Disco3 off road)
...Land Rover has its whole set of issues though. What ever happened to Ford selling them and Jaguar?
I was the one complaining about the Vibe.
The Matrix seems a much better vehicle than the Vibe even if they're produced on the same line. I really, really dislike GM's choice of cheap seat construction. It's as if they want to remind you that the car costs less than $20,000. The other materials in the car aren't much better but everything seems to be made to look cheap so you'll go for a more expensive model. In which case, it just pushes you into another brand because only loyal GM owners are going to buy such a car.
It's the same car as the Matrix. Same engine, same interior. The only difference is the badge!