The ignition issue didn't really cause deaths, it just lessened the survivability of a crash due to the airbags failing to deploy.
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GM is acting like scum
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The ignition issue didn't really cause deaths, it just lessened the survivability of a crash due to the airbags failing to deploy.
Screw GM and screw their unions, buy Honda's, Toyota's or any other brand that are built in the US by non union labor!!
Has a lack of a union made it so that Toyota and Honda make cheaper cars, or is this just normal union hatred? Or are the cars better?
Honda and Toyota are much better cars that gm, though gm has come a long way. Unions are well past their usefulness, another 10 years and they will be all but gone!
Toyota has become a more reliable brand than GM or Ford in the past 15 years.
Faulty Ignition Switch coverup.
"G.M. is already recalling 1.62 million cars, made in the 2007 model year and earlier, to replace switches that could accidentally be jostled and cut off engine power, deactivating air bags.
G.M. has linked 13 deaths to the faulty switches in the cars included in the initial recall. Late Friday, G.M. raised the figure from 12 to 13, after confirming an additional fatality related to an ignition-switch accident in Canada."
I think this is close enough to call it related, unless I misread the article.
My question is if this is because of the unions or not. It could easily be an entire culture problem, where an American company didn't care about anything more than making "good enough" cars because the public would buy them.
Careful. "Better" doesn't say anything. GM cars are cheaper, so they are often faster, cheaper to own and fix, less expensive to buy, and often a better value.
I assume you're talking "reliability", because the actual Toyota and Honda brands haven't done anything worthwhile since the Supra and the S2000.
Edit: I'm leaving out Cadillac, Acura, Lexus. However, the Japanese marques don't hold up well against Cadillac outside of reliability, anyway.
So, is that why Volkswagen didn't want to unionize...or did they? And a US Senator told them the lie that VW would add another car to build in their factory and to not unionize because they wouldn't if they did?
The GM pre-bankruptcy and the GM post-bankruptcy are two different companies. Look at the Cobalt and the Cruze. The Cruze is much more well-built a vehicle than the Cobalt ever was.
Except that's not true. The Cruze has been developed for quite a long time. There's no real difference other than corporate structure.
I don't think bad management has anything to do with a union shop or not. GM was a horribly run company for a long time.
I know it takes awhile for cars to be developed. I was supporting your point in that the Cruze doesn't represent a change in GM between pre-bankruptcy GM and post. The Cruze is still 100% pre-bankruptcy GM and doesn't represent anything about post-bankruptcy GM.
Okay, my apologies. "New GM" is really only evident 100% in Buick, where the brand has been somewhat elevated from "Old people car" to "entry level premium". Cadillac has been mostly reshaped, but the key to that was the original CTS, developed by old GM.
Actually, this is untrue. The ignition inadvertently shutting off also killed the power steering and power brakes which is the cause of some of these accidents.
This is not the first time that GM has tried to use the bankruptcy to get out of lawsuits stemming from cars produced prior to the bankruptcy. GM has to be careful. If they win this, they could lose. And lose big time. If winning this causes a public outcry, it could forever damage the brand.
Yep. I wonder if the government will step in and give GM a huge fine like they did Toyota.
That's the rub. I starting to thing the government won't fine GM because GM is a Union shop and the current Administration won't press a Union shop for no reason.
The current article Ralph Nader on the GM Scandal speaks volumes to me.
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There is plenty of reason to fine GM, but I agree with you in theory. I don't think GM will be fined as much as Toyota was.
I dunno, GM's cars seem kind of boring and bland. And I don't care what they try to do to make Buick hip, the name Buick is old people.
At least the name doesn't contain old like Oldsmobile did....
And the Chinese love Buick.
I wonder why they decided to keep Buick and not Olds. It seems like they were on the way to turning Olds younger before Buick was.At least the name doesn't contain old like Oldsmobile did....
And the Chinese love Buick.