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Discussion in 'OS X Mavericks (10.9)' started by DiscardedPacket, Oct 10, 2013.
Way, way too many bugs.
To start with, lets get in scrolling fixed please.
I think Mavericks was relatively bug-free through the latest Developer Previews and the GM seems perfect. I've heard about the Safari issues, but that could be fixed in 10.9.1. Not ideal, but I think the GM is pretty solid. I haven't encountered any problems with Safari in the GM.
I agree. I've encountered a lot of bugs. Looks like both iOS and OS X this year will be half assed. Lovely.
Bash me all you want but even with a clean install OS X 10.9 gm is garbage.
That's why some of us won't be bothering with Mavericks until 10.9.1 or 10.9.2.
When is iOS and OS X not half assed?
It's all been a gigantic cluster**** of half-assed attempts ever since they switched to this "yearly release" garbage. Software should ship when it is done, and not before. You pick out all the features you want, you get them done, you test the hell out of them, and then you ship. Anything else is just management ********.
What really bakes my noodles are the users who are basically responsible for the yearly releases- those users who believe their hardware slowly becomes useless because the software is somehow "stale" (read: refined and reliable), and that they won't be able to get anything done unless they're sitting on the bleeding edge of a new release with new features that nobody wants or needs.
I think its been great so far. Went from mountain lion to the GM on a late 2011 macbook pro. No problems
There are a lot of general statements here and no specifics.
I've been plagued with scrolling issues in both chrome and safari.
Restarts fix sometimes, but they return eventually. 3 reinstalls didn't help
Ejecting FireWire drives no longer spin down the hard drives... occurs in GM and the build before... This is specific enough...
Software is never finished. There will always be bugs, and you always have to ship with bugs.
A decision has to be made: What percentage of users get this bug? How long will it take to isolate and fix?
The more difficult the bug to fix and the fewer people it affects means: ship now.
It's a pragmatic decision.
Apparently Apple themselves acknowledged that scrolling would be affected in one DP release.
You would think it would be fixed by GM by now. I hope this isn't what is shipping on new computers. This is a MAJOR bug.
I have a feeling this may be the first time I can recall a GM will not be the same as the release version.
Lets not get into philopsical seas. There is a difference when you have a 2 year developement cycle and 14 months cycle.
Same here. Have been running the GM for a few days now, have not had any major issues on my main machines.
My scrolling works on my MBPr and I've used it for 6-7 hours at a time for a week. How strange.
I have the GM sitting on a USB stick ready to go. One thing is for sure...It's not going on either my Imac, or the Mac Pro ( although we have a scratch drive that is running it ) until it's solid.
I have a little space on my rMBP so that's where I will install first. Not taking chances and there is a lot in IOS7 that leaves a lot to be desired as well. It's all right overall, but some of the colour choices and KB / email client layouts are not that great.
Running on a 2011 iMac and 2013 MBA and whilst there are a few small issues I've come across, none of them are leaving me with less functionality than I had in ML.
Appreciate everyone uses are different, but I don't see any major changes required before release, and the usual 10.9.1 update within a few weeks afterward.
I love the noodle quote though What really bakes my noodles is people saying the world is going to end on internet forums, when in reality it's just started to rain a little That said, I tend to agree that adopting a yearly update cycle is completely unnessesary.
Nonsense. That you have such problems doesn't mean they are widespread. Scrolling and everything else work perfectly for me on an unsupported machine (Mac Pro 1,1), except for one bug I've encountered: Safari tabs other than the one you are dragging disappear until you drop it again, but that will probably be ironed out when 10.9.1 or 10.9.2 are released.
After updating from 10.8.5 on my 2011 MBP, Mavericks GM felt very laggy, especially vertical scrolling in Chrome and Safari. Also had a few sudden reboots.
Did a SMC and PRAM reset and everything feel much snappier and stable now, maybe worth a try for whoever experience unexpected and laggy performance.
scrolling works flawlessly here with my MBA 2013, and I have't run into any major issues, seems very stable and works well.
Couldn't agree more.
There's no point in discussing smoothness of GUI. Some people can't discern. They just don't see. Also, there's no baseline - what's fine for user A is unacceptable for user B.
Going from 10.8 to 10.9 the scrolling is quite noticeable smoother for me, absolutely butter smooth. I'd definitely notice laggy scrolling if I was getting it. In fact 10.9's scrolling is the smoothest I've ever seen in a desktop OS.
The users experiencing scrolling issues are experiencing some kind of abnormal behavior, perhaps its a bug effecting certain hardware? No one thats experiencing scrolling issues has really described the problem or what hardware they have.
This is still an issue for me. Maybe it's a Sandy Bridge thing on my Early 2011 MBP.