Going to buy a new car by October. Suggestions?

[CompUser]

I would look at saabs as well, now that they are owned by GM they are much better cars.

Jaguars: Ehhh, sorta like a land rover I would assume, lots of little quirky problems that cost a ton to fix

Volkswagens: VW's are great cars for the most part. We have had Passats (both the old style and the 2006 version) and they are comfortable, sporty cars. Our Touareg is not the most reliable, and its costly to fix, but friends and family of mine have passats (one has a 1.8t, one has the v6 4motion, and one has a TDI) and they have had generally few problems with them.

 

[yg17]

Audi A4.

I love that car. Unless something different comes out by the time I graduate, I'll be buying myself an A4 as a college graduation present to myself


(and assuming I can afford the damn thing and pay other expenses and student loans)

 

[2nyRiggz]

The new VW are hot....

ya!!


Bless

 

[blackfox]

I would look at saabs as well, now that they are owned by GM they are much better cars.

aaahhh!! Apostate!

I count myself among the Saab Purists. GM has done horrible things to Saab.

Nevertheless, I stand by my original recommendations.

 

[plinkoman]

definitely stick with a european car. japanese cars are great, but you wont get the same thrill driving an acura as you will a bmw, audi, benz, jag(not technically euro anymore but still), etc...

don't get me wrong, i love japanese cars; i drive one myself, but thats because i'm a poor college student who was lucky to get an insane deal on an 03' nissan. great car, but if i had the kind of money your looking to have, i'd probably be driving a tt.

 

[PlaceofDis]

Get a small but good looking car...save yourself on gas$$

Yaris i think they are called.

Bless

thats going to be my car by the end of the year i hope. its niiiice, for being what it is.

 

[quagmire]

aaahhh!! Apostate!

I count myself among the Saab Purists. GM has done horrible things to Saab.

Nevertheless, I stand by my original recommendations.

Pre-the current 9-3 I would agree. The 9-3 is based on the Epsilon platform which is a great platform that underpins the Malibu, G6, and Saturn Aura. The 9-3 is one of the safest vehicles on the road and has the safety features that the other Epsilons lack so you wouldn't be able to find them in the other Epsilons. The Aero-X concept shows GM is serious about reviving Saab. The new 9-5 and 9-3 will most likely have a front fascia similar to the Aero-X. Also, it sounds like the Aero-X is slated for production( lack the very cool jet like opening canopy ).

 

[pseudobrit]

Jaguars: Ehhh, sorta like a land rover I would assume, lots of little quirky problems that cost a ton to fix.

There's a reason I didn't recommend a Yaris. Or a Lexus. Or a Volkswagen. If sexiness of the car is your primary concern, the Jag is your ticket.

 

[Abstract]

I'm with Devilot on this one. Acura TL is supposed to be quite ace. The TSX doesn't look as cool to me.

I'd also consider the Lexus IS330 or whatever the number in that name is. They look pretty great considering how boring Lexus and Toyota cars tend to look.

BMWs are nice, and you do want one, but lots of people have a 3-series. At least get a distinctive colour if you buy one. I know black and silver are the most popular car colours, but they're boring.

Of course are you thinking of the cost of insurance on these cars? I would assume you're under 25 which will make the costs worse. I hear the insurance for the Solstice at least is cheaper for a roadster. But, I recommend still the CTS/STS or the 330i for the Sedan and Z4 or the Sky Redline if it tempts you so much for the roadster. I also 2nd fuzz suggestion. Make sure you have some emergency money just in case. That is why something like the Sky would be ideal for the roadster. As you said, it is a sweet vehicle. And it would leave you some cash to save for the just in case scenario.

Can you recommend a non-GM car even once?

 

[debroglie]

i LOVE my Saab 9-3. In my opinion, it is the perfect car. I haven't had any buyer's remorse at all - this baby is amazing

 

[CompUser]

aaahhh!! Apostate!

I count myself among the Saab Purists. GM has done horrible things to Saab.

Nevertheless, I stand by my original recommendations.

Well it depends on how you look at it. My mom had a Saab 9000 turbo in the early 90's, it broke constantly, was very expensive to fix, and took for ever to get parts. Now they are much more reliable, but of course GM tries to make them cheaper.

In terms of not recommending a Jaguar, I was just saying they are expensive to maintain. I personally love the styling and think they are some the best looking cars on the road.

 

[OutThere]

xk

 

[saabmp3]

I think what you need to do first is decide on a few points:

a) speed or luxury:

- My buddy has a Suburu WRX that can beat the pants off my 2001 Saab 9-3. However, in my oppinion, I wouldn't even consider a Suburu. In the 35 to 45k range for car prices, this is going to be your major trade off.

b) body type:

- Roadsters and Sedans are VERY different beasts. A roadster can be one of the most fun cars to drive, granted you can park it and drive SOMETHING ELSE as a daily driver. I know this, as I have both a Saab 9-3 and a Jeep Cherokee as potential DD's (mostly the Saab) and an Austin Healey roadster for fun. I spent a good amount of time looking at roadsters and came to the conclusion that the practacility of a new one was just absurd. I love my decision to spend a little less on my Saab and pick up the Healey as a complete toy.

c) Breed:

- An accura TSX just isn't the same type of car as a BMW, same as a Jag. All these cars have their associated quirks that you're going to need to learn to love. If reliability is a high point for you, then look towards a Lexus or Acura. If the name is of the most importance, then look at the BMW's, maybe a MB as a far contender. If overall build quality are of main importance, then Audi, Saab, MB and the new Jag's will be your ticket.

In my opinion, I would look at the MB's and Audi's for sedan choices. I was trying to decide between a Saab and an Audi 2 years ago (the 9-3 vs A4 or S4). I ended up going with another Saab just because I could get a good deal from the dealer. If I didn't have that opportunity, then I might be driving an A4 right now. They're both amazing cars. A MB is really a step up from these models.

If you want a convertible (which I think is a great choice at 22), the saab 9-3 arc or viggen convertible is, without a doubt, the best car out there for the money (in the body style). My father bought one a couple years ago (surprisingly when I showed him my Healey..but that's another story). Every time I go home and get the chance to drive it, I love it. I love the styling of it, the pep of the turbo, the roof, and the total experience (the smaller details such as road noise, handling, ergonomics). It will seat 4 adults and give you room for golf clubs in the trunk, something most won't.

But, in the end, make the choices above, then start to narrow down the field.

Ben

 

[XNine]

BUY AMERICAN! They're great cars. I'll tell you what they're really good at: exploding, dying, breaking, paint peeling, window mechanism binding, wheel well collapsing, transmission frying, axle bending goodness!

Man, I'd say Japanese, but if you're willing to spend a LOT of money on a Car... Audi, or BMW.

 

[ksz]

If the Z4 is currently on the top of your list and you're interested in BMW coupes, consider the all-new 3-series coupe...coming soon! Be the first to own it!

(All images are the Copyright of BMW USA.)

In my opinion, the coupe's styling triumphs over the sedan. Note the not-so-subtle changes to the front and rear appointments, all beautifully executed.

 

[quagmire]

Can you recommend a non-GM car even once?

Hmmm, notice I said CTS/STS, Sky/Solstice or 330i and Z4? When did BMW become GM owned? I have to put pressure on people to consider GM so they can realize American cars have improved in quality and reliability greatly.

 

[panoz7]

Ok... I couldn't help but reply to this thread. I'm just slightly more obsessed with cars then with macs (ok... that might be an understatement...) Anyway, I'm currently a college student with no money (I have a mazda 3 that I saved for ever for) but I've got a car obsessed dad who actually has money so I've had a chance to drive alot of the cars on your list.

Anyway... if I had 35000 to burn I would hands down recommend the honda S2000. My dad has a porsche, and honestly, I can't say the extra money is worth it. THe S2000 is an incredibly good deal, and drives really nice. There's something kind of strange about revving it to 8000 but you get used to it. Its kind of minimalist also, which I really like... but its not quite as eye-catching as the germans. If you really want a roadster I'd get it. By the way, you do not want a lotus elise unless you're completly insane. I thought I could put up with a lot in a car, but let me tell you, nothing can prepare you for the noise and stiffness of that thing. Its an incredible car, but only for dry weekends durring the spring

Sedan wise, the acura TL is nice, but I wouldn't get it if I were you. I can't tell you how many of my friends parents have them. Its a nice design but its too common to be eyecatching. That, and its front wheel drive. Torque steer is not fun. Its especially heavy with the manual... auto's ok though. Really depends on how you're going to drive.

BMW's are really really nice. Nothing drives like them... and there's a reason they're called bavarian MOTOR works. Its not that they are particuarly unrealiable, its just that they are expensive to fix when they do break. It also seems to depend on the model. One of ours is never in the shop and seems to be great. The other one though is a mess, and has eaten a couple of thousand recently. I think they're worth the risk though. As soon as I graduate and have money to burn fixing cars I'm going to buy an old E30 M3. My parents had one when I was growing up and I loved it.

As for the Jaguars... I'd pass if I were you. Personally, I think the only one in your price range (The X-Type) isn't nearly as pretty as the larger ones. Its a ford mondeo underneath (sort of like a europeen taurus) and the engines aren't great from what I've heard. Reliability's better... but still not up to the level of the japanese or even the germans. I've never driven one though, so take everything I just said with a grain of salt.

So... all that's left is the infinitis. I'm quite fond of them. I had one growing up and it was really nice. I really like the G35. Its getting redesigned slightly for this coming model year. It's going to look a bit more like the M35. It has that great3.5 liter VQ series V6 that Nissan seems to be tuning for everythign now. Its especially sweet in the G35 and it should the 300 horses mark in the new one. Its also rear wheel drive, which to me is a real plus. It might not be if you live in the north, but there's always all wheel drive for that.

I can't comment on the Audis and Benzes. I've never drive an Audi (i've always been more of a bimmer guy) and the only benzes I've driven have been big ones. I'd try them out. Just be warned that their reliability (especially the audis) is not good. Even worse then the BMWs.

Sorry that went on for so long. Go drive all the cars. You seem to have a resonable sense of whats out there. Go drive them and figure out what you like. Then read the reviews and see what you might have missed during the testdrive.

One more thing. How about used. You could pick up a used E46 M3 for not too much more then what you're looking at.

 

[MacFan782040]

Personally I'd go with a cheaper car... You may have a good job and salary, but that could change at any time. Be careful with that. And as mentioned, insurance will be high.

If I was in your shoes, I'd go for a Mazda 6, Honda civic/Accord. Remember, an Acura TL is essentially a Honda Accord with a fancier name and a richer social status. And any of these cars would be a HUGE improvement to your Saturn.

But hey, if that's what you want, go for it. I'd personally take the extra dollars and save for a new computer, or new electronic toys.

I know 64k sounds like a lot, and it is, but try to think ahead. Good luck!

.

 

[dornoforpyros]

64/k at 22? damn you engineers...well graphic artist have more fun

 

[CompUser]

Get this car, base price is $60k though.

or the X-Type 3.0L w/ AWD standard

 

[waynesun]

if you're into speed and tuning, try a Subaru WRX STi, or an Mitsu Lancer Evo 9 MR. i'd prefer the older model STi, over any Evo, build + quality (interior) is better. Lexus IS 350 + 250 is a good investment, Toyotas/Lexuses hold their value pretty well, as well as Acura/Hondas. Acura's turbocharged RDX is coming later this year, you can look into that too. As for Used, Used Acura NSX's can go for 35k on the market if you look hard enough. Why don't you invest that money into some house, sell it, and make even more money? I guarantee you'll be able to buy something along the lines of a Vette C6/Z06. You'll have the best of both worlds: 500 HP + exotic killer and you'll be able to go to your local chevy dealer for maitenance(sp). Good luck with the buy, there are a lot of great cars out there nowadays.

VOLKSWAGENS! - BEWARE, V-Dubs are infamous for their electrical problems, my family owns a Passat GLS and that has had nothing but ECU problems. Although a select few get very lucky from time to time.

JAGS - SAME PROBLEM. reliability is ****. Again, this goes for a large margin of buyers that actually report these on car forums. Other companies (you'd be surprised) would include Audi, Volkswagen, Porsche, Ferrari etc.

get a cheaper car. you'll thank yourself in the long run.

 

[yg17]

I love the Acura TSX and TL, but until Acura puts something other than a front wheel drive drivetrain in there, I won't touch it. I have an 04 Hyundai Tiburon right now, and can live with FWD. It's still a fun car, and it was also cheap. It also only makes 130ish HP so there's no issue with torque steer. But if I'm dropping 30 grand or more on a luxury car with horsepower numbers well into the 200s, then FWD just won't cut it. RWD is more fun, and AWD beats the piss out of the other 2 in wet weather conditions.

My buddy has a Suburu WRX that can beat the pants off my 2001 Saab 9-3. However, in my oppinion, I wouldn't even consider a Suburu. In the 35 to 45k range for car prices, this is going to be your major trade off.

Don't the newer 9-3's share the same platform as the WRX? Or is that the 9-2? Either way, best of both worlds then....power of the WRX, luxury of the Saab.

 

[anubis]

definitely stick with a european car. japanese cars are great, but you wont get the same thrill driving an acura as you will a bmw, audi, benz, jag(not technically euro anymore but still), etc...

don't get me wrong, i love japanese cars; i drive one myself, but thats because i'm a poor college student who was lucky to get an insane deal on an 03' nissan. great car, but if i had the kind of money your looking to have, i'd probably be driving a tt.

I feel you on that one. There is definite appeal in buying a European car. Japanese would be OK I guess. Really, all I'm completely avoiding is American. Sorry, that's just how I feel. I'm driving an American car right now and it's a piece of crap. I know some people are saying "American cars have gotten much better in the last few years". I really don't buy that. All American car companies have gotten good at is making trucks and SUVs better. Now that gas is $3/gallon and fewer and fewer people are buying trucks and SUVs, American car companies are REALLY hurting (remember how GM bonds are currently rated as "junk"?). GM, Ford, Dodge, and Chrysler have been utterly and totally neglecting their car lines for the past few years in favor of higher-margin gas-guzzling SUVs. And now that people want to buy gas saving cars, people are realizing that American car companies literally have nothing but trash to offer in the way of mid-size cars, luxury and sport sedans, and roadsters.

 

[AP_piano295]

subaru impreza wrx or just and impreza or impreza hatchback. saab 92x aka the sabaru if you want japanease reliability and european name.

its just European and US cars are so compareitively crappy these days. Even the cars that were once famous for reliability like volts wagon are now nothing compared to Japanease cars.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

I may end up being the voice of reason. Sure things look great now, but one can never know the twists and turns that life may throw at you.

I had wanted an M class MB, when they were first announced. At the time I could make it "affordable". My fortunes changed, I am so glad that I have my Baja now. Close to paying it off. The MPG is better than the MB M class. And so what that I am not "in" with the rest. My insurance is less, my fuel costs are less, and my monthly payments are less.

Which is better? Spending major bucks on a car that will end up costing you in the end. Or spending that money on travel or things that may last a lot longer than that car will?