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I honestly don't believe a 9 or 10 year cannot plan their toilets breaks and hold their bladders.

My opinion as a parent is that you don't understand children. They are all unique with differing needs and levels of comprehension. I'm all for the school instilling discipline & good guidance, equally refusing to allow young children to use the toilet is frankly ridiculous.

Similar to others I am surprised and disappointed that a teacher has such a callous attitude towards the children. Thankfully my children go to a private school where such actions would not be tolerated by staff, management, most of all the parents...

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I have a suspicion that @Misscollette is a troll account
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If this person truly is a teacher I think there are far more appropriate online places to go and ask…

I think they're just getting their kicks out of stirring things up.

If she (I presume) is a teacher I can say to the children she controls, good luck dealing with this one.
Teachers like these have the capacity to scar you for life…

I'm inclined to agree as MR is hardly the best venue for such matters...

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One of the mums was unhappy because I didn't let her daughter go during the afternoon and she was dying for the toilet on the way home. She asked 5 minutes after lunch. Why not go after I dismissed the class at the end of the day?
Because she's a kid, and kids have smaller bladders, and when we teach toddlers to be toilet trained, we keep instilling the idea of, if you have to go, then tell us.

Seriously, what is the harm in letting a child use the bathroom if she has to go. Think of it this way, if an employer prohibited an employee from going the bathroom, wouldn't there be some serious repercussions? Why should it be different for kids?
 
I have a suspicion that @Misscollette is a troll account
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If this person truly is a teacher I think there are far more appropriate online places to go and ask…

I think they're just getting their kicks out of stirring things up.

If she (I presume) is a teacher I can say to the children she controls, good luck dealing with this one.
Teachers like these have the capacity to scar you for life…

The very same thought was beginning to crawl across my mind, too.

I may be wrong, but I suspect the OP will not be back. I've a feeling she was simply looking for affirmation on her dogmatic attitude and, having found the total inverse here, will move on to any other public forum with a avenue for asking questions like this until she finds someone equally as dismissive of children's welfare at which point she'll stop, happy to know that 'she's right', irrespective of how many times she's been told the opposite

Kinda scary that there's people like her potentially teaching our kids.

Agreed.

Reading her posts, I'm horrified. And gobsmacked.

Good grief: As a teacher - and I taught at third level, but the same educational principles remain irrespective of where you teach - you want your classroom to be a 'safe space', a warm, welcoming and encouraging space, one where people (students) are not afraid to ask questions (including the sort of question that involves requesting permission to leave the room for personal reasons) and raise issues that concern them so that they can discuss them without feeling embarrassed, or awkward, or afraid that they will be made to feel stupid.

This is key; if they are not afraid, they will relax, open up, ask questions - and crucially - they will want to learn.

What @Misscollette is advocating is a state of control and possible fear. How singularly unpleasant.
 
Sadly there's plenty of educators out there who lack basic common sense.

In any case, this thread is reminiscent of an equally strange thread that got picked up by some of the press. It was about dinosaurs and on the Mumsnet website. Now that was actually hilarious.

And, for the record, if this isn't a troll post, then I sincerely hope a child relieves themselves on your classroom floor. You can clean it up yourself and then explain to the administration why that child relieved themselves.
 
This attitude isn't really surprising at all, because we see it everywhere these days
It is the "here is my world view (phones, computers, cars, guns, any issue or preference) and everyone should see it the same as I do".
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And, for the record, if this isn't a troll post, then I sincerely hope a child relieves themselves on your classroom floor. You can clean it up yourself and then explain to the administration why that child relieved themselves.

I would suspect the OP would insist the child clean up "their mess" themselves
 
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I would suspect the OP would insist the child clean up "their mess" themselves
Child can simply walk out. At least in America rarely do you hear of a school district or private establishment not paying out of the nose for a stupid decision or settling in mediation. I can't remember the last time a district or private school successfully won a case where they were being sued.
 
"I can remember one teacher from when I was maybe 9 or 10. They didn't let us use the bathroom during class, and it was instrumental in setting the groundwork for a successful academic life. Why, to this day, I smile whenever I think about not going to the bathroom."

–Nobody ever

I just don't see what purpose you think this rule serves. Even if we were all in agreement that kids of this age are capable of planning their bodily functions, why should they? They'll be free to use the bathroom in almost every other situation later in life, so you're not preparing them for anything. What do you teach that demands unbroken attention? Differential physics equations? Can I be in your class?
 
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One of the mums was unhappy because I didn't let her daughter go during the afternoon and she was dying for the toilet on the way home. She asked 5 minutes after lunch. Why not go after I dismissed the class at the end of the day?

OP was basically winding people up because she got called out (probably to her superiors) by an upset mother.
She wanted to be vindicated that the mother was being totally unreasonable while she was being fair and rational.
The example given on the surface seems to justify her reasoning (if the kid can wait that long, she didn't need to go that bad in class), but that isn't the point.
There are just too many variables and unknown factors to unilaterally deny a child an opportunity to go to the bathroom, and erring on the side of grace and compassion seems preferable.

I understand teaching is a challenging profession, and it can wear on you dealing with young people of all ages.
Kids can be sneaky, and they can find every loophole to take advantage of situations.
Kids can be cruel and bullies when they sense an opportunity to take advantage of others as well.

At the end of the day, its as simple as this, sometimes a kid needs to go to the bathroom.
Sure, maybe they should have gone when they had the opportunity, but they didn't.
Or maybe, just maybe things changed internally in the kid since the last break (maybe lunch didn't agree with them).
But no child should be made to urinate or defacate on themselves to prove a teacher's "I told you so" point.

And just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't the next time.
 
I think the OP is being cruel
Sadly there's plenty of educators out there who lack basic common sense.

And, for the record, if this isn't a troll post, then I sincerely hope a child relieves themselves on your classroom floor. You can clean it up yourself and then explain to the administration why that child relieved themselves.

Hope they all pee at the floor in protest.
More power to the kids against cruel teachers who are only in it for the power-kicks of controlling little beings.
Some love helps children grow. :)
 
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I’m assuming OP is doing some trolling here but just in case they’re not I want it on the record that:
  • This rule is terrible.
  • OP is a terrible person for implementing it.
Let the kids go to the toilet if they need to. If they’re constantly running off to pee then your lessons are boring them so much they’d rather hang out in the dunnies than listen to you teach.
 
I teach 9 and 10 year olds (primary school uk). I don't let children go to the toilet during lessons. Would you have a problem with this rule as a parent?

I would have a major issue with that - if you did that in my child's class, I'd make a formal complaint against you on the basis of a breach of child protection. It's a ridiculous and dangerous rule IMO.
 
I’m assuming OP is doing some trolling here but just in case they’re not I want it on the record that:
  • This rule is terrible.
  • OP is a terrible person for implementing it.
Let the kids go to the toilet if they need to. If they’re constantly running off to pee then your lessons are boring them so much they’d rather hang out in the dunnies than listen to you teach.


Calling someone a terrible person for this is a bit out of order I think. I'm sure the rule wasn't instated for malicious reasons.
 
Calling someone a terrible person for this is a bit out of order I think. I'm sure the rule wasn't instated for malicious reasons.

Given their subsequent replies, I'm going to say that she does come across as quite possibly malicious. @MacDawg I think also did a decent write up of her possible motivations.
 
think outside your self, for children and pets. 4example; your dog has a completely different physiology and resulting bathroom times are shorter. Both children and pets are likely unable to plan their day as you would.
 
Given their subsequent replies, I'm going to say that she does come across as quite possibly malicious. @MacDawg I think also did a decent write up of her possible motivations.

I think it is unfair to say that about me. The bottom line is teachers can't have kids popping for a wee whenever, which is why ample breaks are provided.
 
I think it is unfair to say that about me. The bottom line is teachers can't have kids popping for a wee whenever, which is why ample breaks are provided.

Kudos for coming back, if nothing else.

That said, you were asking about a blanket rule - that's unfair. Kids are not robots - and you seem to be of the opinion that you can control them as such.

I'd also be interested in what OFSTED has to say on the matter. Have you asked them?
 
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Kudos for coming back, if nothing else.

That said, you were asking about a blanket rule - that's unfair. Kids are not robots - and you seem to be of the opinion that you can control them as such.

I'd also be interested in what OFSTED has to say on the matter. Have you asked them?
No, to be fair though it is OFSTED who usually instint on keeping classroom interruptions to a minimum.

When do you think I as a teacher goes to the loo?
 
That is why I remind them to use the toilet at breaktime.

Which part of my personal experience was lost on you. That STILL didn't stop my bladder from needing to go pee right in the middle of a lesson. My teacher took your attitude - she said no. My bladder disagreed.

You know what it's like to have your head flushed in the toilet? You know what it's like to find USED toilet paper in your satchel? You know what it's like to have girls follow you home calling you 'Piss-girl'?

You know that many kids that were in my situation contemplate suicide -and some even succeed?

Does this even bother you? Or your rules mean more to you?
 
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