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If Lee is a server at a restaurant, how can he afford an Apple Watch? The tips must be damn good while catering to lots of regulars.
 
£10,000 on a watch that'll be obsolete in a year. Crazy.

Depends on how much money you have; there are those to whom £10,000 is like mere mortals spending £100, or even £10. The cost won't concern them and when it becomes obsolete they will simply buy the latest model.
 
Woah the cockiness is strong with this one. How about you refrain from throwing your salary figures out there huh. What I do like is youre consistent with your lying.

If you couldnt afford a million dollar car after 10 years of making "far more than 100k" then youre doing it wrong. Either that or "far more" means 101k to you.

Im not one to make personal attacks, because again, I really dont care about you. But dude you are either a pathological liar, or you are atrocious with financial management and feel you need to overcompensate for something. Either way, best of luck to you


Not one for personal attacks, and then you launch into one?

Not "throwing my salary around." Again, I don't know you (and don't want to) so I'm not bragging. I was just illustrating the point that I knew of what I spoke. I do make considerably more than $100K a year, and considerably less than $200K.

But if you've ever made well over $100K a year you would realize that the expenses of living are usually very different than for someone making considerably less. When someone makes over $100K a year they don't typically live in a $600 month apartment, and drive a Geo Metro. They usually live in the lifestyle that their salary permits. So it's not like I could, or would want to bank $75K a year, while working my butt off, and eating Cheerios and peanut butter.

Plus, I have lived in some parts of the US where my salary, while still relatively high was not extraordinarily high for the area.

And then there is the tax man. I pay more in income taxes every year than over 50% of Americans earn. I think that those taxes are too high, but I am extremely grateful to be fortunate enough to be in that position.

But my original points stand. I think if you were to research it you will find that the vast, vast majority of people making over $100K per year for 10 years would still not be in a position to buy a $1.5 million car. You would also find, if you were to research it that there are plenty of people who work in restaurants and make over $100K a year, thus allowing them to afford an Apple Watch. ;-)
 
Not one for personal attacks, and then you launch into one?

Not "throwing my salary around." Again, I don't know you (and don't want to) so I'm not bragging. I was just illustrating the point that I knew of what I spoke. I do make considerably more than $100K a year, and considerably less than $200K.

But if you've ever made well over $100K a year you would realize that the expenses of living are usually very different than for someone making considerably less. When someone makes over $100K a year they don't typically live in a $600 month apartment, and drive a Geo Metro. They usually live in the lifestyle that their salary permits. So it's not like I could, or would want to bank $75K a year, while working my butt off, and eating Cheerios and peanut butter.

Plus, I have lived in some parts of the US where my salary, while still relatively high was not extraordinarily high for the area.

And then there is the tax man. I pay more in income taxes every year than over 50% of Americans earn. I think that those taxes are too high, but I am extremely grateful to be fortunate enough to be in that position.

But my original points stand. I think if you were to research it you will find that the vast, vast majority of people making over $100K per year for 10 years would still not be in a position to buy a $1.5 million car. You would also find, if you were to research it that there are plenty of people who work in restaurants and make over $100K a year, thus allowing them to afford an Apple Watch. ;-)

Well ill level with you a bit.

My statement of not making personal attacks was postfaced with a "but" meaning while i dont usually do it nor do i like doing it, i felt the situation may warrant it. But thats aside now no reason to continue that argument.

Im in the same boat salary wise as you are, I live in Washington which is one of the more spendy states. I live well below my needs. Well below. A Bugatti just isnt a good investment ;) Im my opinion neither is the Apple Edition Watch. I should apologize as you have your priorities and I have mine, neither right or wrong, just different.

Ive done a few different searches on high end restaraunt salaries and supplemented tip income. Not looking good - ****************tHgW2B. This is on top of the knowledge I already have from personal relationships. Ive stated that while its not impossible it is highly improbable and the amount of people in this forum alone that "know" or have themselves made over 100k as a server would be a statistical anomaly. We can agree at least on that much, no?
 
Apple isn't doing themselves any favors with who they seem to be targeting. "Lee considers himself trendy". Yeah, that's what I want to do...spend all that money on something "trendy" that will be out of style in 6 months. And really...a server at a restaurant can afford an Apple Watch? C'mon.

Then there's that ad from a European magazine (I believe).

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All I can think when I see those photos is what the heck is he wearing? Dude doesn't know how to wear a sock cap. Why is he using a magnifying glass and what is he looking at?

Trendy seems to be the word of the year for Apple instead of something useful like "classic". They're usually masters of advertising, but I feel like they're really missing the mark on the Apple Watch.
 
Apple did good...

If your gonna be paying this high price anyway for a watch, u expect better service...

I'm wanting to see if you get a little pouch with the gold watch to to protect it. :apple:

(Apple does miracles on their stores overnight, you walk past it and wouldn't even notice it was still there.)

"That's funny, it was here yesterday."
 
Also, which watch would you suggest for Lee??? WE NEED TO KNOW.



What customer would let the Apple Store employee pretty much make a decision about which watch they want based on a few small tidbits of personal information?


Having worked in retail sales (back when commissions were still the way many sales floor employees were paid) customers, to a large degree, do rely on suggestions made by the sales person. If the sales person is well trained most customers will not even be aware of the directions they are receiving from the sales person. As to the question 'can the customer afford it?' that is the customers responsibility. The sales person's job is to sell the most expensive item they can get the customer to purchase.
 
You were clearly working at a subpar restaurant then. I work 20-25 hours a week and can cover rent, car payment, school/school loans and whatever else I need without a problem. A $700 dollar watch is 3 shifts...


To some degree this may also be determined by what state, if you're in the U.S., you work in. Some states allow the employer to deduct tips from the hourly wage paid by the restaurant. Other states require the employer to pay at least minimum wage and they are not allowed to deduct tips from the wage.

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Kanye West and Beyoncé are going to love theirs - but what about everyone else in the world?



What would you be doing today with a $15,000 solid gold 1st generation iPad? Exactly.



Stuff like this makes it impossible to defend Apple.


As long as Apple is making profits like this they don't need to be defended.
 
Nope, most of them make really good tips and then screw the rest of us over by not reporting it. Im sure im paying for their obamacare as well seeing as how most make under minimum wage on paper.


Not in California. Employers are required to pay at least minimum wage and cannot deduct tips from the wages. Which means a server in San Fransisco starts out at $12/hr them gets tips on top of that.
 
5 years experience as a server here.

1) You can make as little or as much money while serving as your attitude/work ethic allows, assuming your restaurant is of high enough quality to generate enough business.

2) There are many servers who make a killing and can live very comfortably. There are also many servers who don't make a killing and can still live comfortably. There are also many who are fundamentally lazy and only last a few months, if that. The same sentence can be applied to literally every job category out there. Doesn't matter if you're a server or CEO.
 
If I'm spending ten grand or more on a watch, I should be able to take as long as I want to make that decision. 30 minutes? Get outta here with that nonsense.
 
Not in California. Employers are required to pay at least minimum wage and cannot deduct tips from the wages. Which means a server in San Fransisco starts out at $12/hr them gets tips on top of that.

Amazing that actually works in SF. Seattle is trying to do the minimum wage thing as well. So far the consensus is that it is failing and causing businesses to shut their doors. Im assuming the 15/hr isnt helping that fact but with the small margins in a restaurant business and the fact that one bad yelp review could sink you, its just not worth it.
 
Though it might not be the case in your little myopic corner of the world, but there are cities where the best food service industry professionals (chefs, waitstaff, bartenders) are highly valued. Not all of them make that kind of money, but a few of them do.

If you're interested in knowing more you could always PM me, and I would be happy to put you in touch with some of them. Not sure they'd share their tax forms with you, but if you need something to broaden your narrow horizons they might be willing.

Yes thank you, tell me about that luxury things and amenities, I don't use to see them everyday in the places I use to live. But I believe you, someone who publishes how much he earns on a public forum on the good old interwebz must be a diligent person :D

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Interesting watch. I had to Google it.



Apparently quite collectible now. Many are still fully working after over 40 years. (In comparison, how many folks are still using an original iPhone?)

What was your point again?

My point is it's outdated as hell and just a freak would use it, I don't care if the logo says Omega. I only say the new fashion seems to be to criticise the Apple Watch based on wrong arguments based on fake horological knowledge.

I said it before and I'll say it again, the conceptual difference between the Hublot Big Bang and the Apple Watch Edition is very subtle when it comes to they way they attack the luxury market, and the Hublot is a best seller.
 
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Depends on how much money you have; there are those to whom £10,000 is like mere mortals spending £100, or even £10. The cost won't concern them and when it becomes obsolete they will simply buy the latest model.

Contrary to popular belief, rich people like to keep their money, not waste it .

Your argument comes up all the time in the iWatch discussions, but repeating it won't make it more valid .

The majority of really expensive watches is bought as an investment, just like jewelery, medium expensive watches in the 5k-15k range or so might be an investment or a rich watch person's choice .

Very few people will spend that kind of money on a disposable gadget .
 
Contrary to popular belief, rich people like to keep their money, not waste it .

Your argument comes up all the time in the iWatch discussions, but repeating it won't make it more valid .

The majority of really expensive watches is bought as an investment, just like jewelery, medium expensive watches in the 5k-15k range or so might be an investment or a rich watch person's choice .

Very few people will spend that kind of money on a disposable gadget .

Your counter argument comes up all the time, but it's wrong because you still talk about the watch as an investment yet still point out its a disposable gadget in next sentence.

People that look at a watch as an investment are not as wealthy as they think. Few will be sold, but most of those purchases won't come with much second thoughts.
 
If a server can choose the 3 most expensive model (that's not Edition), and I am having thoughts about "affordability" of those bands... then there is only 1 conclusion...

WE TIP SERVERS TOO MUCH.

Seriously. I'm going to reevaluate how much I tip.
 
The bolded, Apple considers themselves to be a premium brand (what random people think is kind of irrelevant) and they are offering premium products. Nothing the competitors wouldn't try, if they thought there might be a market for such products.

I think they are a premium brand. Each of my Apple products could be purchased in a non-Apple format for less, from my iPhone, Apple TV to my iPad and MacBook Pro.

But more than that, I read a whole article about how in China Apple is very much considered a premium brand, far more than it is viewed here.

I've said all along, while I think they will sell plenty of Edition watches in the US, but I suspect in Asian countries and Middle Eastern countries where gold is highly valued, and the perception of Apple is different, I think we'll see some good sales for this niche product.

Too many of the people writing on this forum are projecting too much of their narrow and culturally specific values on this product, and not looking at the bigger picture.

I don't believe that someone walked into Ives office one day and said, "Hey Johnny, let's slap some gold on it and sell it for ten grand." Apple are not that random or stupid.

Time will tell...
 
Well ill level with you a bit.

My statement of not making personal attacks was postfaced with a "but" meaning while i dont usually do it nor do i like doing it, i felt the situation may warrant it. But thats aside now no reason to continue that argument.

Im in the same boat salary wise as you are, I live in Washington which is one of the more spendy states. I live well below my needs. Well below. A Bugatti just isnt a good investment ;) Im my opinion neither is the Apple Edition Watch. I should apologize as you have your priorities and I have mine, neither right or wrong, just different.

Ive done a few different searches on high end restaraunt salaries and supplemented tip income. Not looking good - ****************tHgW2B. This is on top of the knowledge I already have from personal relationships. Ive stated that while its not impossible it is highly improbable and the amount of people in this forum alone that "know" or have themselves made over 100k as a server would be a statistical anomaly. We can agree at least on that much, no?

Yes, we can agree that, statistically there are a lot more people working at McDonalds, Chili's and Outback than Michelin rated restaurants in the Bay Area.

But that still doesn't mean that a person working at a restaurant should be judged as ill suited to afford an Apple Watch. My only point to all of this.
 
Yes, we can agree that, statistically there are a lot more people working at McDonalds, Chili's and Outback than Michelin rated restaurants in the Bay Area.

But that still doesn't mean that a person working at a restaurant should be judged as ill suited to afford an Apple Watch. My only point to all of this.

I think the point is not about a server getting an Apple Watch. The issue here is the server is picking between 3 most expensive options (Edition aside) in Apple Watch.

An analogy would be I bought a higher end Rolex than what my boss is wearing and indirectly rub it in their face daily, and meanwhile I am asking to be paid more (like how servers expected to be tip big - the norm used to be 10% for GOOD service, and now they are trying to make you believe standard tips for OKAY service should be 20% or even 30% in some cases - ridiculous and what nonsense!)

Client facing sales and service people should be mindful about giving the impression that they are overcharging clients by flashing their expensive luxury items.
 
$10,000 for an apple watch, don't make me laugh. For just a little more, I think I will stick with my Rolex Daytona ... $10,000 apple watch, what a joke.
 
$10,000 for an apple watch, don't make me laugh. For just a little more, I think I will stick with my Rolex Daytona ... $10,000 apple watch, what a joke.

It's okay to admit you can't afford one. I can't, Its safe to assume most posters here can't as well. Nothing to be ashamed of.
 
I think the point is not about a server getting an Apple Watch. The issue here is the server is picking between 3 most expensive options (Edition aside) in Apple Watch.

An analogy would be I bought a higher end Rolex than what my boss is wearing and indirectly rub it in their face daily, and meanwhile I am asking to be paid more (like how servers expected to be tip big - the norm used to be 10% for GOOD service, and now they are trying to make you believe standard tips for OKAY service should be 20% or even 30% in some cases - ridiculous and what nonsense!)

Client facing sales and service people should be mindful about giving the impression that they are overcharging clients by flashing their expensive luxury items.

That was NOT the point of this discussion. The genesis of this discussion was the fact that the article used "Lee" who worked as a server in a restaurant as an example of a potential customer, and whether his choice would be a stainless with various bands. Not an Edition.
 
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