good price for a DP?

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
unless the company gets more young blood, those acutal numbers have gone down for a spell

They are selling plenty of bikes to people of all ages, including the under 30 croud.

and unless they can put out some more affordable bikes

the company will be in financial trouble

Check out the Sportster line... they are less money then the larger Harley's...

the product is fine, no doubt...just like lamgroghini was before they were bought out

Damn straight the product is great...

making a good product is hard to do, but making a profit is even harder...ask tucker, studebaker, stromberg, maidenform, and many other companies who had the quality but not the net profit

it would be a dark day for the motorcycle world if harley got themselves into money troubles

Alright, check out the following articles from CBS Marketwatch (and the Associated press)... One, two ($1 billion in sales ), and three.

Also take a look at this chart showing the splits (since HD has been on the stock market (can be found here as well).

Harley-Davidson is not going away... Unless the country gets invaded and they are destroyed (we are more likely to be invaded and conquered ).

 

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Q. How many stores (retail locations) use modems???

A. Virtually none. If the computers are on the internet, they do it via a LAN. You could have the exact same problem with a display model as you describe having with the boxed iMac.

Where was this tech that you spoke with (who did he work for)? Have you tried using the different modem protocols (v.90 or v.34)? How about any other work, or updates to the OS, or are you still running the original operating system that it shipped with? Which speed model is that iMac (listing the video card doesn't narrow it down much). Have you ever bothered to zap the pram or reset the open firmware??

When you connected the other Mac and got the 40k speed, was it using the exact same outlet, or did you use a different one?

Just because you got a faulty modem, and the tech you spoke with wasn't helpful is in NO way an indication of brand new computers from Apple. I have had people tell me how they have purchased floor/display units only to have nothing BUT trouble with them.

I'm not sure what the store/modem question has to do with anything.

The iMac in question is a 350 MHz machine. I've reset the machine's PRAM (multiple times) and open firmware (once). The O.S. has been upgraded from 8.5.1 to 9.2.2 and Mac OS X 10.1.3 (although this rarely runs). I seem to remember a lot of problems with the modem updater 2.0 (?) being incompatible with some of the modem hardware.

Is it possible that the disk drive has a thinner magnetic coating and is occasionally interacting with a much strong magnetic field? With the lightning here, I could imagine that a lightning strike could cause a house to be magnetically charged and the strength would be enough to overcome a weak magnetic field.

I connected the PowerMac in the same room to the same phone outlet.

You're right. The tech. has nothing to do with the condition of new computers coming from Apple. I would be more suspicious of the machines on which he worked. He seemed more of a card swapper than a technician. This seems to be more typical of people around Orlando than technicians in general. People in Philadelphia were very thorough. I haven't met the tech. but CompUSA says that he's Apple-certified but he only visits the store once a week.

I think more of my dislike against boxed computers lately comes from seeing the huge stacks of refurbished iMacs in the CompUSA stores around Orlando.

 

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by AlphaTech

They are selling plenty of bikes to people of all ages, including the under 30 croud.




Harley-Davidson is not going away... Unless the country gets invaded and they are destroyed (we are more likely to be invaded and conquered ).

i am not talking this year or next, but check out the disturbing trend on www.fortune.com

when one new person gets into a harley, how does that help when one ex-harley rider goes to the rest home and the other dies of old age?

why are young people buying harleys at a decreasing rate according to fortune?

and what can be done to ensure a NEW generation of harley owners?

i am ok with how harley will finish out this year, but what about the long term future?

as an analogy, we have a strong military and our gear will last us well into 2025 according to defense analysts...F-16, B-52s, F-18s, seawolf class submarines, etc...but what if we stopped research and spending on defense? nothing major would be seen for awhile, but eventually, the trend would catch up to us and we would be in trouble

harley, according to fortune (a reputable source), is facing an aging clientele and unless we all live to 150 and stay healthy like a youngun, harley is in trouble in the long term unless something changes

the company was saved mostly in part to aging yuppies in the late 80s til now, but the next generation of high salary earners did not follow suit...gen x and gen y2k have pretty much ignored the harley compared to the baby boomer generation (my generation)

we are getting older and many of us, born since world war II, have died and each year a higher percentage of us kick the bucket

average age for us citizen at death is nearing 73 or 74 last time i read with males making it just a few months past 70...in another ten or fifteen years, where will harley be if the average age of the rider, up from 38 and now 47, goes up to 55 or so?

i want harleys on the road for tomorrow, too and no company, apple or HD included, can be smug about today and say the tomorrow is guaranteed just because we had a good year, or in HD's case, a growing, but not so much now, eleven years?

ps - harley is great, they just need to let the young people know that...sure, you know...but i am talking about the potential riders

kind of sounds like how we apple/mac users want to up our share in the market and have a FUTURE