Good we have to wait - wait for a new, working keyboard. No new macs at WWDC 2018

[maflynn]

likely November

That's too late, they need to have the stuff ready to sell in September or October.

 

[futurejetblackowner]

That's too late, they need to have the stuff ready to sell in September or October.

I’m not waiting 4 years

 

[ronincse]

They have 30 days for me and then I'm going with an XPS 13 or Carbon X1. I REALLY want to go with Apple this time around though as the updates to Mojave look really great

 

[Spytap]

We shall see. It is Apple's move now, but I lived through the last transition and this seems to be Apple's trajectory. While I hope you are right, Apple's history does not support your theory of maintaining two separate code bases for the same compute platform.

Agreed that there's no prior precedent, but in the past, the move to x86 from PPC was universally beneficial across all product lines. There's no ARM that competes with mid or high-end Intel chips right now, and I don't buy for a second the complaints or suggestions that apple will abandon the pro market. Maybe it's a Rosetta Stone issue, or maybe it's a separate codebase entirely (a-la iOS and OSX) but there's no benefit right now to going all ARM, even assuming Apple's building their own monster chips.

 

[Closingracer]

I don't think this is necessarily true. I think that Pro/Desktop machines will likely stay Intel, and Consumer/portable machines will go ARM. But there's nothing on ARM that competes with mid to higher tier Intel or AMD. But I can see a split between lines and dual CPU support built into the OS.

If they add ARM this 2017 MacBook Pro will be my last MacBook ever bought.

 

[Val-kyrie]

Agreed that there's no prior precedent, but in the past, the move to x86 from PPC was universally beneficial across all product lines. There's no ARM that competes with mid or high-end Intel chips right now, and I don't buy for a second the complaints or suggestions that apple will abandon the pro market. Maybe it's a Rosetta Stone issue, or maybe it's a separate codebase entirely (a-la iOS and OSX) but there's no benefit right now to going all ARM, even assuming Apple's building their own monster chips.

Actually, there is a benefit to going all ARM. Once software becomes primarily cloud- (and subscription-) based, GPUs and CPU architecture will matter much less. Unfortunately, I think all "professional" software will move to SaaS (Software as a Service)--see Adobe and MS Office. IMO, Apple and MS will attempt to lock their user-base into their respective app stores in order to generate revenue, as has already been evidenced by Windows S, and hinted at by Apple.

 

[maflynn]

Apple and MS will attempt to lock their user-base into their respective app stores in order to generate revenue, as has already been evidenced by Windows S, and hinted at by Apple.

This is one major reason I think apple is looking to embrace ARM. They want to control what apps are installed, right now I can install apps any way I want. In the future apple wants them all to come from the app store.

The other reason I believe is Apple wants to control the supply chain for their hardware. With their Ax series of CPUs its on them to produce the next version, now they have to wait for Intel and Intel has had many problems keeping to their schedule. Of course even when Intel rolls out new CPUs apple doesn't update their macs so I'm not sure how much of an issue this is.