Google Again Criticizes Apple for Not Adopting RCS for Messages App: 'Their Texting is Stuck in the 1990s'

[strongy]

The carriers have supported it for quite some time...

10 carriers world wide mostly in America you need to think again.

 

[JoshNori]

Clearly you have not actually researched this

Clearly you have no argument because there is no reason not to move beyond SMS. Tim’s answer was goony as all. Everyday consumers didn’t get passionate about TLS either. It didn’t take them long to implement that!!

 

[strongy]

I think a lot of people in this thread think Google wants Apple to replace iMessage even though that isn't the case.

Apple will stand their ground until the carriers push this change. Then they will magically implement it really quickly given they have probably been working on it for a while. Eventually carriers will require all new devices support rcs. The question is will that be in a year or 10 years. No one knows.

Worldwide 99% of carriers do not support rcs so they are never going to do that

 

[strongy]

Apple implemented SMS. So why wouldn't they implement the next-gen version of SMS (RCS)? This has nothing to do with iMessage.

Because it’s not the next gen version of sms it’s an abandoned idea even by it’s creator

 

[JoshNori]

So the only way to get RCS encryption is with a closed Google app? There are no public APIs that can be used for RCS encryption that I know of, and Google has said that they have no plans to release one.

No, this has to be a partial picture. Perhaps they have their own implementation, but any standard has commonality.

I’m sorry, but they supported Jabber… we’re done here. Lol. Open texting protocol should be a priority.

 

[strongy]

iMessage would not disappear if Apple adopted RCS. It would continue to work between iPhone users as it does now.

The big upgrade you'd experience would be communication between your friends on Android. Apple won't adopt it simply because they don't want users to realize that RCS is almost as good as iMessage which would negate a competitive advantage.

You need more research, it’s worse than iMessage their is no end to end encryption by default for starters

 

[bartmoss]

We had texting in the 1990s? Wouldn’t that involve a flip phone and hitting the same key over and over again for one letter? I highly doubt it’s the same as the 1990s. 🤣

Yes we had texting in the - late - 90s, and yes there were solutions that did not involve T9.

 

[strongy]

The carriers will eventually drop SMS support. Then Apple will have no choice but to support RCS.

The carriers have no interest in supporting rcs

 

[strongy]

Apple's fallback method for sending messages in the messages app when the receiver doesn't have iMessage is SMS. SMS is the texting standard that has been around since 1992. Yes phones in the 90s were basic and didn't have full keyboards but the communication protocol is still the same one used by Apple today. The telecom industry has moved onto RCS, and Apple needs to get with the program here. Some of us would like to be able to send high resolution photos to our friends and relatives with Android phones without having to resort to emailing it to them or otherwise.

The telecom industry has defiantly not moved onto rcs 99% of carriers do not support it

 

[strongy]

So is it the EU's job again? Since the DMA already has wording that says all messengers must be interoperable, do we have to force Apple to implement RCS?

Apple is acting like a stubborn child

Rcs is not supported by 99% of carriers so implementing it is useless

 

[strongy]

Sad thing is RCS works every bit as good as iMessage.
Be better to see these groups work together.
On a global scale iMessage is second rate.

You didn’t research this at all

 

[strongy]

What is "Google RCS"? That's not a thing. Google's Jibe platform supports "Universal Profile", but other RCS players do as well. AT&T for instance runs their own RCS servers, and they interconnect with Jibe and others.

Maybe you're referring to Google's client additions like E2EE? Those are only supported by Google Messages today, but they don't rely on any special support from the actual RCS servers.

Google rcs is what it has be called because they it’s not officially rcs

 

[strongy]

I’m with Google on this occasion. Apple needs to rethink their position on this. Not least because they compromise their own users by encouraging them to use a vintage messaging protocol when communicating with people who have the temerity to not own an Apple device. It’s not like iMessage is even that good. Try using it reliably on an iPad over wired ethernet…a total ****show. Also it’s insecure if you use iCloud backup because the non-e2e backup contains the encryption keys to your messages. Genius 🙄

RCS is not encrypted you should stop thinking it is, you had a bad time with iMessage that’s just you

 

[jimbobb24]

Google kind of embarrassing self now.

Like begging the cool kid to come to your party and then whining about them refusing real loud everywhere.

 

[strongy]

Tim needs to shut his lying pie hole and just implement it for the greater good. I’m tired of seeing his vendettas play out in public while he brazenly makes a mockery of antitrust laws. The App Store needs to be opened up so they can have a healthy, arms-length relationship with people, not exerting control over content because they’re the new morality police. Please. Steve’s “If you want porn, get an Android.” arrogance lives on… except in a cherry-picked fashion. I can go on Grindr and see nude butts all day but then if it’s on a straight app, it’s immoral. WTF?

At this point, he’s just acting like a goon with a legal army on so many issues, and it’s coming out in the products and services they offer. Android’s not going away, you have no excuse to stifle greater tech innovation for your own selfish gain, and Apple and you are among the least charitable out there. Why they either would have a good reputation, it’s really not deserved except possibly with the quality of their (slave-made) products. This is why I don’t want to see them in any way being the face of ethics. They’re communist trash.

I’m way ready to see different “talent” come along. Seriously, bye dude. You’re done. 🤌

Again not supported by 99% of the worlds carriers so pointless

 

[Azathoth123]

If Apple really has a superior product/software, then they should have NO problem allowing another option.

How do non-cellular Apple devices get RCS messages like they do iMessage?

where it’s justifiable to snub the standard for something inferior or proprietary for no good reason.

Google’s fork of RCS is not a standard, it’s as closed and proprietary as iMessage. So to which standard are you referring? Or are you saying that Apple, with it’s closed proprietary iMessage, should support Google’s closed, proprietary messaging app? Google should take care of their own customers. Oh wait they do, their customers are data brokers!

 

[Azathoth123]

Why are there so many Google fanboys on an Apple site accusing the Apple people of being fanboys? Of course we are, IT’S AN APPLE—CENTRIC SITE? Maybe they need to spend more time on Android sites?

 

[ilikewhey]

Nothing is actually broken?

Google, go ahead and adopt RCS. iPhone users are minority anyway, so why do you care so much?

but they are going ahead. there is no need to tell them 😂

 

[BuffaloTF]

They did?

SMS - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes? Last I checked the original iPhone could only do SMS, for example. So they’ve always had it implemented. In fact, you can’t NOT have it implemented… it runs on the spare space of the paging network that keeps your phone connected to a tower. So long as your phone has a signal, it can’t not get an SMS.

 

[litmag01]

"I don't hear our users asking that we put a lot of energy in on that at this point," said Cook.

Has this ever stopped Apple?

 

[BuffaloTF]

You might want to research what exactly you are sharing with Meta.

WhatsApp is clever in how it cripples part of the functionality unless you give it access to a set of iOS APIs. This pushes most users to give access to all their address book and photos to Meta. With that Meta has access to most address books and photos in the world.

Meta has one of the most sophisticated AI research teams in the world.

With all the information in your photos (who is there, what they do, when they do, who they do that with, GPS coordinates of the photo, voice profiles from videos, mood analysis for the people, ...) and the info on who you know and when you added them to your contacts, there is a frightening amount of data Meta has about you. And when you combine that with the network of data everyone else around you has about you, it gets even deeper.

Do you *really* trust Mark Zuckerberg with all that info about yourself and your loved ones? Is it worth it?

I think, to simplify what you’re saying here, is that any data at-rest on your device is unencrypted and scannable. The transit from each endpoint being encrypted is certainly important, but when the dog sniffing your butt is your device itself, it isn’t doing much. This is also true with Google RCS, and Telegram.

 

[jdogg836]

Some of y'all need to learn how to use the multi-quote function.

 

[BuffaloTF]

Heck I don’t remember SMS in the 90’s. In the early 90’s, my dad went from a bag phone with a pager to a car phone to a Motorola StarTAC. None of those devices had text capacity.

My mother had a car phone then later a StarTAC.

My sister and I were stuck using payphones.

You might be like me here… SMS has been around a long time. My first knowledge of its existence though came to me as the phone made a single ring, I looked to see who called… and instead said ”WTF is this???” …and that was my introduction to texting and the first I ever knew it existed.

 

[RickInHouston]

Texting is stuck in the 90's and AirDrop is stuck in Chyna.

Good job, Tim.

 

[BuffaloTF]

Some of y'all need to learn how to use the multi-quote function.

Nah…

It used to auto-combine posts from the same person that came in back to back. Just turn that back on.