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No one cares about RCS. Or SMS. Or iMessage, for that matter. Hate to say it, but WhatsApp is king.

Does Apple have what it takes to be a leader in messaging again?

Not unless they make it an Android app too.
As a user of multiple OS’s, one of the things I look at is if I can use the app cross device. If I cannot, I really take a good hard look at alternatives.
 
RCS is not encrypted you should stop thinking it is, you had a bad time with iMessage that’s just you

I made no claims about RCS encryption. I was simply opining that iMessage isn’t anything worth putting on a pedestal and it’s not even all that secure if you use iCloud backup. My bad iPad experience isn’t just me, either. It’s because Apple can’t be bothered to make their own apps work properly on a wired network, despite offering support for wired networks. FaceTime is similarly broken over ethernet. And yes I realise it’s tangential to the topic, but nevertheless…👍
 
Pretty much everyone outside the US has been using external apps as the de facto messaging standard for years, mainly WhatsApp. There's no particular reason to rely on your phone manufacturer or your telco for this kind of service.

WhatsApp is owned by Meta, and it's subject to US jurisdictions. Telegram is much better and free.
 
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I live and travel in central Europe where it is basically mandatory to have WhatsApp on your phone like it is a stock app preinstalled on your device.
WhatsApp is just an outdated pile of garbage owned by the worst company of the last 15 years, I would happily be in the green bubble American problem than being one of the two billion sheep who don't realise how bad WhatsApp and Meta are.
 
Okay just made an account because I can't believe how some comments sent here make no sense at all...

1. RCS is a protocol, not an application, and it's a protocol EVERYONE but apple has adopted, Google may drop it some day, when something replaces it. Until then, it won't appear on killedbygoogle
2. The point of RCS is its security... Apple has its own end to end encryption method, so does whatsapp, while every messaging app with RCS has the same one.
3. No, android users do not want a blue or whatever bubble, we like opportunities and ownership of our personal devices.
4. Since apparently nobody uses messages, why would Google want apple to make it a thing? Maybe because a lot of people do use messages, right?
5. In computer science, when a new protocol is made, the first iteration usually has unforseen issues, SMS is VERY old, and VERY bad. RCS would fix it.
6. Apple decides to work their asses off on useless bs because they obviously listen to their users right? Did you ask for the 7 last thing they added? No you didn't. Did some of their users ask for RCS, yes, they did, because RCS exists and is useful, what apple usually adds that is what Cooks says people "want" is just stuff you didn't know you needed until you start using them. RCS is something you need, and you'd know that if you had dared looking it up, unlike most things, as said before, it does exist, so you can look it up. On the other hand, you can't look up what they're gonna add to the apple 15 or whatever, because it doesn't exist yet, and you don't know what it's gonna be.
7. Even if they did listen to users and added what people wanted, they're not short staffed, they can dedicate a small team to work for a few month on implementing RCS, they just don't want to because that would make them lose a lot of US users, since people wouldn't be force to use an iPhone to text their friends.
8. Apple is mostly great, they create tools I personally don't need, but that are useful to people who struggle with computers or people in artistic fields. But when it comes to finding reasons to why they don't do something, they really suck. And I hope some of you know that, but no, they don't care about you any more than Google cares about me, you're a number making numbers go up, the difference is that I know I'm getting ****ed and decide not to do anything about it. While you praise the company doing you without even realising you're a puppet

Okay deleting my account now, have fun on imessages 😂😂
 
Okay just made an account because I can't believe how some comments sent here make no sense at all...

1. RCS is a protocol, not an application, and it's a protocol EVERYONE but apple has adopted, Google may drop it some day, when something replaces it. Until then, it won't appear on killedbygoogle
2. The point of RCS is its security... Apple has its own end to end encryption method, so does whatsapp, while every messaging app with RCS has the same one.
3. No, android users do not want a blue or whatever bubble, we like opportunities and ownership of our personal devices.
4. Since apparently nobody uses messages, why would Google want apple to make it a thing? Maybe because a lot of people do use messages, right?
5. In computer science, when a new protocol is made, the first iteration usually has unforseen issues, SMS is VERY old, and VERY bad. RCS would fix it.
6. Apple decides to work their asses off on useless bs because they obviously listen to their users right? Did you ask for the 7 last thing they added? No you didn't. Did some of their users ask for RCS, yes, they did, because RCS exists and is useful, what apple usually adds that is what Cooks says people "want" is just stuff you didn't know you needed until you start using them. RCS is something you need, and you'd know that if you had dared looking it up, unlike most things, as said before, it does exist, so you can look it up. On the other hand, you can't look up what they're gonna add to the apple 15 or whatever, because it doesn't exist yet, and you don't know what it's gonna be.
7. Even if they did listen to users and added what people wanted, they're not short staffed, they can dedicate a small team to work for a few month on implementing RCS, they just don't want to because that would make them lose a lot of US users, since people wouldn't be force to use an iPhone to text their friends.
8. Apple is mostly great, they create tools I personally don't need, but that are useful to people who struggle with computers or people in artistic fields. But when it comes to finding reasons to why they don't do something, they really suck. And I hope some of you know that, but no, they don't care about you any more than Google cares about me, you're a number making numbers go up, the difference is that I know I'm getting ****ed and decide not to do anything about it. While you praise the company doing you without even realising you're a puppet

Okay deleting my account now, have fun on imessages 😂😂
Well said. I'm getting tired of the Apple fanboys myself -- defending Apple at all cost, even to their own detriment. Switching to RCS from SMS/MMS helps us Apple iPhone users too!

Yes, I have Apple devices -- for now.
 
Just so we are clear, this is the same google who turned off push for gmail in 2012, and took forever to bring support for split screen to their iPad apps, right?
 
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in Europe and third world countries, yes. In America, iMessage rules.
Most iPhone users use other apps too.

iMessage hasn't changed since it came out, and it's kind of meh compared to everything else--- even RCS (which can have all the add ons like iMessage if Apple wanted to sell suckers stickers).
 
Most iPhone users use other apps too.

iMessage hasn't changed since it came out, and it's kind of meh compared to everything else--- even RCS (which can have all the add ons like iMessage if Apple wanted to sell suckers stickers).
I like iMessage better than some of the others. Since your opinion is iMessage is meh, I wanted to post a counter-opinion.

Don’t want to use iMessage don’t.
 
How do you know that?

There was some mention of it in the Apple/Epic trial documents. Internal Apple emails to the effect that they didn’t want to make an app/license iMessage.for other platforms because iMessage helped lock in.

Which there is nothing wrong with that BTW, Apple’s business is to grow Apple’s business, not help their competitors, and they take care of business very well. Google does the same things in different ways, like GMail and Google Docs. Google’s biggest problem IMO, is that they are first and foremost, a data broker. If their ‘appendages’ like messaging or whatever isn’t perceived to be a big contributor to data scooping, they die pretty quickly.
 
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Just like you already get your SMS on those same non-cellular Apple devices: by enabling text message forwarding.

That’s true, as long as I have an iPhone, in which case I don’t need RCS. If I have an Android phone, a non-cellular iPad, and a Mac, can I still forward SMS/RCS from the Android phone to the iPad/Mac? Probably not but IDK.

The point is, is that both SMS/RCS are sent to a phone number, not a user. You need a phone number and an internet connection unless relay servers make those messages available to user IDs, and non-cellular devices or WiFi connected devices. Correct?
 
I don’t see how it helps “us apple people”.
When messaging with others that don't have iPhones -- we'll be able to text photos and other multimedia without the limits of SMS/MMS -- that means both sending and receiving.

You’re on the wrong board, then.
No, I'm here because of my interests, but I wont defend Apple in spite of the truth.
 
I suspect that Apple would embrace RCS if it replaced SMS world wide (and did not go through a non-Apple relay server) even if it weren’t E2EE. But not if they have to have both SMS and RCS. And Mr Cook is correct, Apple users aren’t asking for RCS.
 
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There's a switch in Settings > Messages > "Send as SMS". Turn that off and you won't get charged (but you also won't send the message - pretty sure iOS will give you options on what to do in that case).

To be fair, you should know that sending an SMS might be charged as part of your mobile plan. Most plans gift you unlimited SMS anyway these days.
Here in the UK, all carriers do offer unlimited SMS … But here (and in most places outside of North America), MMS messages are charged on a per message basis, rather than as part of your data allowance. My carrier charges £0.70 per MMS, for example; so even as an iMessage user, I always need to leave the Apple Messages app to send a picture, sticker, GIF or whatever to an Android user, or to participate in most group conversations. This is why iMessage doesn’t carry a lot of traction here.

Even if Apple is too scared to introduce RCS in the US now, it really should just do it elsewhere. It would hugely help those of us who really don’t want Mark Zuckerberg to handle our non-iMessage personal messaging needs.
 
This is an US only problem. No one uses SMS as their main text messaging medium outside the US, I think.

There's whatsapp, telegram, facebook messenger, wechat or whatever's in fashion in China...

I don't want to go back to the carrier deciding for me what i can send or not and charging me per message. Or Google deciding... since they're the ones pushing it. Say, if it's Google, how long till they discontinue it?

Whatever this new standard is, it can die a silent death for all i care.
 
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