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You conflated the two things into one issue. Apple can be a champion for privacy and still make google the default. They are not blocking out the competition. As far as a reasonable person, I agree...any reasonable person that thinks along your lines sees "blatant hypocrisy". Any reasonable person that thinks along my lines doesn't. ("reasonable person" is a persona by the way.
I'm not conflating anything. I'm just not giving a big corporation a pass for being totally hypocritical like you are.

That's your opinion. As I said above, there are two issues and you are conflating them.
No, they are not two issues. If you profess to have values and criticize your competition for not sharing those values, you should not then make a deal with said competition. Otherwise your values are meaningless and just for show, which is basically how I feel about Apple's privacy stance.

Isn't that a bit immature to say on an internet forum?
Not to someone who is being deliberately obtuse.

This is a slogan and not a statement of fact. A slogan is a: "short and striking or memorable phrase used in advertising." It is not a statement of absolute truth. I understand, you want to criticize Apple and will do anything to find anything that allows said criticism on an online anonymous internet forum.
So you'd be fine with Coca-Cola says "Drink Coke, it's super healthy!" or Exxon-Mobil saying "Whenever you fill up with our gas, you're saving the planet!"? It seems like you're willing to give a big corporation a pass for anything as long as you like the corporation. I actually don't want to criticize Apple. I've been a customer for 40 years and largely like the company and what it stands for, so check your assumptions. A slogan should be grounded in truth. There's nothing remotely truthful about "what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone".

Okay, at least you admit this is your anecdotal observation and you don't know the "average user" is, which again is a persona.
You've obviously never worked in tech support. Most users know very little. Why do you think there's an endless line of people looking for help with basic, simple things at the Apple Store? Because there most definitely is an "average user". Again, you're just being obtuse. Anyone who works in tech and works with the public knows exactly what I'm talking about.

It also doesn't mean it was accurate, which I believe it is.Your prior examples don't render the slogan inaccurate.

It's a slogan and not a statement of fact. A slogan is a sound byte.
Or, in this case, a lie.

Nor does it make the slogan deceptive.
Of course it does If you tell me what happens on my iPhone stays on my iPhone and that's not true, you've lied to me.

This is not a throw the baby out with the bathwater discussion. Just because something doesn't fit your sliding definition, doesn't mean Apple isn't striving to do the right thing. Privacy is not a process and not and end-point.
There's no such thing as privacy online.

Apple doesn't use my data to feed me third party ads. With Apple I buy my product, with Google I(we) are the product.
The horror! A targeted ad!

Whatever happened to different strokes for different folks?
I don't care what other people do. If you want to put on your tinfoil hat and spend hours configuring Little Snitch on your Mac (a privacy-focused app that isn't allowed on the App Store, ironically, given how much Apple claims to care about privacy) and obsess over every privacy setting and toggle available, go for it! I just think it's incredibly narcissistic and pointless. But, by all means, I'm fine with people wasting whatever time they want on whatever stupid nonsense they care about.

It's obvious there are semantics, and overall disagreements on everything. The truth of the matter, is that we can put this out into the universe, but it is what it is. If one is hell bent on criticizing Apple on everything, we should be grateful there are alternatives.
On this issue they deserve criticism. If they really care about privacy, then they should get out of bed with Google. They should allow apps like Little Snitch on iOS. They should practice what they preach. Professing to have values and then taking actions that contradict those values is the height of hypocrisy.
 
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I'm not conflating anything. I'm just not giving a big corporation a pass for being totally hypocritical like you are.


No, they are not two issues. If you profess to have values and criticize your competition for not sharing those values, you should not then make a deal with said competition. Otherwise your values are meaningless and just for show, which is basically how I feel about Apple's privacy stance.


Not to someone who is being deliberately obtuse.


So you'd be fine with Coca-Cola says "Drink Coke, it's super healthy!" or Exxon-Mobil saying "Whenever you fill up with our gas, you're saving the planet!"? It seems like you're willing to give a big corporation a pass for anything as long as you like the corporation. I actually don't want to criticize Apple. I've been a customer for 40 years and largely like the company and what it stands for, so check your assumptions. A slogan should be grounded in truth. There's nothing remotely truthful about "what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone".


You've obviously never worked in tech support. Most users know very little. Why do you think there's an endless line of people looking for help with basic, simple things at the Apple Store? Because there most definitely is an "average user". Again, you're just being obtuse. Anyone who works in tech and works with the public knows exactly what I'm talking about.


Or, in this case, a lie.


Of course it does If you tell me what happens on my iPhone stays on my iPhone and that's not true, you've lied to me.


There's no such thing as privacy online.


The horror! A targeted ad!


I don't care what other people do. If you want to put on your tinfoil hat and spend hours configuring Little Snitch on your Mac (a privacy-focused app that isn't allowed on the App Store, ironically, given how much Apple claims to care about privacy) and obsess over every privacy setting and toggle available, go for it! I just think it's incredibly narcissistic and pointless. But, by all means, I'm fine with people wasting whatever time they want on whatever stupid nonsense they care about.


On this issue they deserve criticism. If they really care about privacy, then they should get out of bed with Google. They should allow apps like Little Snitch on iOS. They should practice what they preach. Professing to have values and then taking actions that contradict those values is the height of hypocrisy.
A few points:
- Apple isn’t hypocritical.
- Privacy Is coming from a place that reflects their values not marketing
- I don’t care what slogan coke or Exxon use, we aren’t debating them
- nice ad-hom regarding tech support
- you can certainly attempt to criticize apple, others have come before you and failed as well.
 
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A few points:
- Apple isn’t hypocritical.
You can repeat this endlessly but it won't become true no matter how many times you say it. I've demonstrated how Apple is being hypocritical when it comes to their privacy claims and relationship with Google. You obviously have an inability to grasp the concept of hypocrisy.

- Privacy Is coming from a place that reflects their values not marketing
Lol. If they stuck to their values, they wouldn't take money from Google and enter into secret non-compete agreements with a company that "makes you the product" while simultaneously decrying that business model.

Hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.

- I don’t care what slogan coke or Exxon use, we aren’t debating them
No, we're not (and those obviously weren't real slogans), but the point remains. Apple saying "what happens on iPhone stays on iPhone" is just as disingenuous as if Coke were to say that drinking its soda is healthy.

- nice ad-hom regarding tech support
It's the truth. Anyone who works in tech support knows that most users are clueless.

- you can certainly attempt to criticize apple, others have come before you and failed as well.
Lol. And plenty of devout fanboys have come before you and you look just as silly as they do worshiping some corporation.
 
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You can repeat this endlessly but it won't become true no matter how many times you say it. I've demonstrated how Apple is being hypocritical when it comes to their privacy claims and relationship with Google. You obviously have an inability to grasp the concept of hypocrisy.


Lol. If they stuck to their values, they wouldn't take money from Google and enter into secret non-compete agreements with a company that "makes you the product" while simultaneously decrying that business model.

Hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.


No, we're not (and those obviously weren't real slogans), but the point remains. Apple saying "what happens on iPhone stays on iPhone" is just as disingenuous as if Coke were to say that drinking its soda is healthy.


It's the truth. Anyone who works in tech support knows that most users are clueless.


Lol. And plenty of devout fanboys have come before you and you look just as silly as they do worshiping some corporation.
it isn’t easy to stop beating a dead horse with other posters with the “my opinion is right” and “you’re opinion is wrong” mentality.

So I’ll just say:
- apple isn’t hypocritical
- good for them for getting a fee
- their privacy efforts are sincere
- you claim to be in tech support, but your anecdotal experience amounts to an opinion
- insults gets posts moderated (and that was an insult)
- the other side of a fanboy is an asperser
- apples slogan is just that, a sound byte not meant to reflect the can of worms that is technology in recent years
- the definition of hypocrisy, like innovation, is a sliding scale around here

You can go on this endlessly but your opinion is still “wrong”.
 
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LMFAO

Sure buddy, the most locked down tech company on planet earth.

They only give you a choice in search engines because its a law in the EU.

Thanks Europe, yet again.

If anyone thinks Apple care about their privacy, they need to go outside and smell the roses.

LMFAO ...

Apple did the choice of browsers over 2 decades ago on Desktop macOS 9 back in 1999.
Apple aos did choice of browsers on iOS back in iOS4 2011 if I'm mistaken, possibly 1-2yrs earlier.

I believe that's still many years before it became an EU law btw.

Oh and speaking of your EU law they've BANNED your choice to use 1 app on your work phone - no determination if YOU"RE paying for said work phone at all. They've banned TicTok. Not a user/registrant or fan of the app but they're now moved into the same game you claim - restriction of user choice.
 
Define "enable so much". I haven't had to toggle or go into settings any more for Brave than I did for DDG, Chrome, or Safari.
You tried this on mobile right?

I had to enable access top a very public non-security risked site (a number actually) allow pop-ups that most sites need to action or invoke the app store, or to enable the dialer (which was granted upon install so a double prompt was annoying). A few other items I cannot recall as it's almost been a year since I tried the Brave mobile app- it was uninstalled inless than 20mins.
 
You tried this on mobile right?

I had to enable access top a very public non-security risked site (a number actually) allow pop-ups that most sites need to action or invoke the app store, or to enable the dialer (which was granted upon install so a double prompt was annoying). A few other items I cannot recall as it's almost been a year since I tried the Brave mobile app- it was uninstalled inless than 20mins.
I use Brave exclusively on everything. I'm on Brave desktop typing this and I use Brave mobile on my iPhone. Never had any of those issues with it. Generally speaking if you have to grant access to a site, which they're all a risk, then that means they had a security certificate that they let lapse. Otherwise it wouldn't give you any warning unless there was an actual malicious code threat.
 
I use Brave exclusively on everything. I'm on Brave desktop typing this and I use Brave mobile on my iPhone. Never had any of those issues with it. Generally speaking if you have to grant access to a site, which they're all a risk, then that means they had a security certificate that they let lapse. Otherwise it wouldn't give you any warning unless there was an actual malicious code threat.
By your reply the. It must mean that YOU had to grant access just to even post the above. Right?!

if you have to grant access to a site, which they're all a risk
So ?
 
I've used DuckDuckGo exclusively since many years ago. It has been more than comparable for all my search needs, yes, thank you. Granted I'm not a NASA engineer and I'm not discovering the cure for cancer, but I'd say is more than enough for 99.9% of users.
I really hope NASA engineers don’t use Google as a source for their research 😆
By the way I’m trying DDG since one week, with mixed feelings so far (but still ok).
 
By your reply the. It must mean that YOU had to grant access just to even post the above. Right?!


So ?
No. I've never had to grant access to a site that wasn't compromised. That was the point. If you're having to grant access, the site is compromised. Either there's malicious code or the security certificate has expired.
 
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