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I think I know the event you are insinuating to. Was it when Trump claimed he did not support the war in Iraq and Lester Holt brought that a 2002 interview shows otherwise? Because if so, I disagree with your assessment that "the moderator was wrong."

No, that was not it.
 
google as a search engine should be impartial

Google Search is not impartial, probably has never been. No one aside from Google knows how Google Search selects webpages. We just know of certain factors that contribute to page ranking. Google also tailors search results to each user, meaning that they are doing editorial work. You can easily end up in a “fake news” filter bubble based on what Google Search thinks is relevant to you. Moreover, Google earns money from search ads, thus they have an incentive to make sure to get the most out of page ranking. It should also be mentioned that there is evidence of direct manipulation of search results by Google.

Google is a black box and every bit of information that helps users understand what they see, certainly helps.
 
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If that was the case, there wouldn't be a need for fact checking.

Anyone who has even a basic level education in humanities should understand the fundamental tenants of research and backing up contentions with verifiable facts. This apparent skepticism of fact checkers absolutely confuses me, and as far as I can tell it is largely unjustified.

I get that one time politifact graded a similar statement slightly worse from one guy than they did from another. In the two instances I personally looked at those, I could see why it happened. Largely 1) Different fact checkers having different grading choices, but still similar and 2) one party explaining what they meant and trying to clarify and the other party ignoring/giving the fact checkers the middle finger. Still pretty well within a reasonable margin of error IF you read beyond the little meter that pops up on the post.
 
Google Search is not impartial, probably has never been. No one aside from Google knows how Google Search selects webpages. We just know of certain factors that contribute to page ranking. Google also tailors search results to each user, meaning that they are doing editorial work. You can easily end up in a “fake news” filter bubble based on what Google Search thinks is relevant to you. Moreover, Google earns money from search ads, thus they have an incentive to make sure to get the most out of page ranking. It should also be mentioned that there is evidence of direct manipulation of search results by Google.

Google is a black box and every bit of information that helps users understand what they see, certainly helps.

Great Ted Talk (which I've posted before) on Filter Bubbles:
 
Who fact checks the fact checkers. Some dude, his wife and their cat?
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You do. Unlike most fake news, they usually include their sources. So if you have a problem with their analysis, follow the links and decide for yourself!
 
You do. Unlike most fake news, they usually include their sources. So if you have a problem with their analysis, follow the links and decide for yourself!

Just took this screenshot from PolitiFact.
 

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Anyone who has even a basic level education in humanities should understand the fundamental tenants of research and backing up contentions with verifiable facts. This apparent skepticism of fact checkers absolutely confuses me, and as far as I can tell it is largely unjustified.

I get that one time politifact graded a similar statement slightly worse from one guy than they did from another. In the two instances I personally looked at those, I could see why it happened. Largely 1) Different fact checkers having different grading choices, but still similar and 2) one party explaining what they meant and trying to clarify and the other party ignoring/giving the fact checkers the middle finger. Still pretty well within a reasonable margin of error IF you read beyond the little meter that pops up on the post.
The skepticism of fact checkers doesn't confuse me one bit. Lesser educated people don't want their world view challenged, and fact checkers are the ones who pose a significant threat in that regard. Academic "elites", and all that.
 
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The skepticism of fact checkers doesn't confuse me one bit. Lesser educated people don't want their world view challenged, and fact checkers are the ones who pose a significant threat in that regard. Academic "elites", and all that.

Serious question:

See my post above. If a news outlet or blog reported his statements as true (which they were) but PolitiFact labeled it as "mostly false" would it be flagged as Fake News under these new guidelines?
 
So what about all the fake news, and "liberal" and globalist propaganda in the mainstream media? Google and Facebook aren't too concerned about that, like the wild conspiracy theories about the Trump administration and Russia.

This is about the mainstream media trying to sabotage new media, and using tools like forcing big companies to remove their ads from Youtube etc. to undermine the income of new media. Mainstream media (who have been pushing PC globalist open borders-propaganda the last couple of decades) are slowly loosing their influence and income, and now they're desperately trying to stop the honest new media, who are giving true accounts of what's going on the world and big picture analyses without the BS-filter used by CNN, NYT, CBS, BBC etc. (where everything is "racist" and "sexist").

Mainstream media are the ones pushing "fake news" in many cases. Right now, we're being told that Assad used chemical weapons, without any investigations or proof. Of course, if Assad wasn't allied with Putin, wouldn't MSM would be more sceptical of making such unverified claims immediately after the attack? It could be the Islamist rebels (that the Obama administration armed) like in the past, but I'm sure CNN would tell us that such an accusation would be "Islamofobic". It never ends...
 
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If you hear it in mainstream media or social media, there is a >50% chance it's outright false, biased, skewed, or misleading.

Here's an easy solution: Follow the 10,000 year old direction of "...thou shalt not bear false witness..."
 
I am not saying there shouldn't be fact checking, I am just saying that when you have a source of information as big as Google telling people what is the truth, there could be issues with bias.
You're right, Googs and FB (any credible news org, for that matter) should at least try to fact check their information. Using your anecdote - could fact checked info by the moderator possibly avoided the interruption of the candidates flow?
Referenced information is infinitely better that what we get today. On both sides of the political spectrum, people seem to justify making up stuff to "get a point across". Facts be damned. Anything that hinders the flow of that type of behavior is a good thing in my book. Who checks the checkers? IDK, but that question is a virtual ouroboro or Gordian Knot. Who checks the checkers checking the checkers checking the checkers; ad infinitum.

To do nothing accomplishes nothing and leads to nothing but more of what we have now... nothing.
 
Correct. We need more unbiased left-leaning news in everyone's feed, instead of the biased right-wing news.

Remember, the right-wing is the one that lies, since they do not have rational facts to back them. That is why they love guns so much - they have to kill instead of being convincing.

speaking of fake news...
 
This is a good move. Especially for those that dislike the rise of far right fake news.
 

So...did YOU read this? The article directly and clearly explains why they gave him the fail...mostly because he also didn't read the whole thing.

"We’re familiar with Scott’s comments, which have roots in this 2009 report from the Congressional Budget Office, a nonpartisan research agency.

Origins of this talking point

The CBO report, produced Nov. 30, 2009, examined how the law would affect health care premiums for people who purchase insurance through an employer-based group market (both large and small businesses) and for individuals.

As Scott said, CBO expected the average premium per person in new individual policies would rise 10 percent to 13 percent in 2016 compared with where it was before the law took effect.

In this market, average premiums per policy in this market would be about $5,800 for single policies (a $300 increase) and $15,200 for families (a $2,100 increase -- just like Scott said), according to CBO (pages 5 and 6).

If only the report ended there....

...Our ruling

Scott said that the Congressional Budget Office said people would pay 10 percent more for policies on the exchange, "so about $2,100 more for a family." What he doesn’t say is that these policies will have to offer comprehensive coverage. So people will pay more, but they’re also get more benefits. Additionally, the federal government will offer subsidies to many of these people to cut the cost.

It’s also important to remember the CBO’s "apples-to-apples" comparison. According to the agency, people in the individual market will actually pay less for the required amount of benefits under the Affordable Care Act than they would for those same benefits under old policies.

We rate Scott’s statement Mostly False."
 
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