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If you are thinking about this strictly in the old computer that can do everything paradigm, sure. But in just the past few years, we have used new OS's in our house on a PC, Mac, Tivo, Wii, iPod, iPhone, other phones, car stereo, etc. You get the point. A new paradigm changing netbook-specifically-design OS could get people to try it without even thinking about it.

I got your points.

BUT, you missed the most important point.

Netbook IS a traditional computer, there is nothing make it different than a normal computer, other than light weight and smaller size. it still has 1024x600+ res, it has 1G+ memory, it has 100GB+ HDD, it has powerful enough graphic card to run aero on windows 7.

When users can use a full featured OS like winXP or win7. tell me why they would want to settle on an OS than can only do limited things, and slower (I sure hope google can surprise me on these two fronts)?
 
This is going to be fascinating to watch unfold - particularly the reaction from Microsoft and the OEMs they have been jackbooting for decades.

I'm hoping Chrome OS will be more than just Ubuntu with a Google-sized marketing budget. I still have a deep mistrust of all things Google but I can't wait to see what they come up with.
 
Odd. I thought there are 6 models of the iPhone. With 3 currently being sold.

Depends on how you count. A trip to the blackberry page yields models that go like this: storm, bold, curve 8900, curve 8300, pearl flip, pearl, 8800 series, 8700 series - each blackberry model has a different form and design. A trip to the Apple store yields models that go like this: 8 GB, 16GB, 32 GB - each iPhone "model" has the same form and design.

The point being, if Apple can capture 20% of the market and get 1/3 of the size of Rim with one "model" in just 2 years, what could they do with an "iPhone mini" or an "iPhone nano"? Recall that when the iPod Mini came out, it instantly became the most popular model, and really vaulted them to dominance in the portable music device space.


I got your points.

BUT, you missed the most important point.

Netbook IS a traditional computer, there is nothing make it different than a normal computer, other than light weight and smaller size. it still has 1024x600+ res, it has 1G+ memory, it has 100GB+ HDD, it has powerful enough graphic card to run aero on windows 7.

When users can use a full featured OS like winXP or win7. tell me why they would want to settle on an OS than can only do limited things, and slower (I sure hope google can surprise me on these two fronts)?

A Netbook IS a traditional computer today. I believe that Google or Apple could pull a game-changing design out of their sleeve and change that.
 
Oh. I was hoping to avoid having to mess around deep within the system... why doesn't it just support back/forward buttons? They've been around for, what, 10 years? I know they're eager to sell you the Mighty Mouse instead, but damn...

Nope. Not the system. It's within Safari.app (All application .nib files are within the application itself.)

Bad news is that every update you'll have to do it again.
(You can make a script if you think you are capable of one.)


PS. Safari doesn't use the cmd-option-arrow shortcut because that may cause conflicts with some media plugins of the browser.
...but back/forward buttons are every bit as standardized as left/right buttons and scroll wheels.
Not as standardized as you think. Nearly every next manufacturer maps the buttons #4-8 differently. (note button 3 is the scroll— and I've used a lot of mice on Windows in which anything beyond button 1-3 is not functional without drivers)
 
Depends on how you count. A trip to the blackberry page yields models that go like this: storm, bold, curve 8900, curve 8300, pearl flip, pearl, 8800 series, 8700 series - each blackberry model has a different form and design. A trip to the Apple store yields models that go like this: 8 GB, 16GB, 32 GB - each iPhone "model" has the same form and design.

The point being, if Apple can capture 20% of the market and get 1/3 of the size of Rim with one "model" in just 2 years, what could they do with an "iPhone mini" or an "iPhone nano"? Recall that when the iPod Mini came out, it instantly became the most popular model, and really vaulted them to dominance in the portable music device space.




A Netbook IS a traditional computer today. I believe that Google or Apple could pull a game-changing design out of their sleeve and change that.

I guess that just goes to show that there are more consumers than there are business folk. The iPod Mini sold well due to it being cheaper and smaller. The only place I think Apple can go for a phone (price wise) is free. Which seems to be against the Apple mantra of price premiums for a premium product. Smaller size isn't as important as making the device too small would force a change in the input (IMHO).
 
A Netbook IS a traditional computer today. I believe that Google or Apple could pull a game-changing design out of their sleeve and change that.

IDK, game changing design doesn't matter, if users buy a computer that can only do 5 or 10 fixed tasks, google or apple can decorated it like a banana, it still gonna fail.

I don't underestimate users' intelligence, they might enjoy a nice looking UI, but 1) win7 looks nice enough, 2) nice UI need nice function behind it, nobody gonna buy a laptop just for looking rather than using it.
 
IDK, game changing design doesn't matter, if users buy a computer that can only do 5 or 10 fixed tasks, google or apple can decorated it like a banana, it still gonna fail.

I don't underestimate users' intelligence, they might enjoy a nice looking UI, but 1) win7 looks nice enough, 2) nice UI need nice function behind it, nobody gonna buy a laptop just for looking rather than using it.

We shall see. I have a feeling such a device will be able to do more than 10 things. Just a hunch.
 
You'd be surprized how many customers I get who want a pretty laptop, the rest of the stuff they could care less about.
how many is indeed what the question is. more than 10 million?
We shall see. I have a feeling such a device will be able to do more than 10 things. Just a hunch.

yes, I do mention several possibilities, and the prediction of failure is derived from one of the scenarios where googlr OS turn out to be a cloud based web app device.

If what apple were to come up with that thing with a crippled OSX@ $800, it would fail just as much.
 
If google is really going to introduce something like that i appriciate it.Because microsoft is playing a monopoly game in market.If google can challenge microsoft with their new product than there would be a varity of use in operating system.We can taste something new.Waiting for it.
 
Really?

Name them, list their market impact, their share against competing products and their profitability.

Because until you do you sound really ignorant.



Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt. Seigler is merely a fanboy with a typewriter. I wouldn't take him seriously.

No, he was right. They do a lot more than what you listed, and you sounded ignorant. How about Youtube?
 
It will be interesting to see what Google does with this. Some of their services I love (Gmail), and some I just haven't been able to find useful (Google Docs). I find their minimalist design works great for some things, but not so well for others. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
 
I for one wouldn't want a Google OS. I already refuse to use Google Apps and Gmail and even Google itself because their data collecting habits are suspicious to me. An entire OS, with my files on their servers to sniff around in as they please... Thank you, but no thank you.

And besides that... Linux... meh... out of all the UNIX/UNIXlike platforms they had to use the sh*ttiest... I'll stick with Apple and PC-BSD thank you very much.
Cheers,

Ahmed

Excellent points. I try to stay away from Google as much as possible. Don't use Gears or cloud services, don't have a Google account - for precisely this reason. The price is too high. We all need to place a proper (much higher) value on our personal data. In the Web 2.0 world, it's all we have to bargain with, and frankly, too many of us give it up too cheaply. And frankly, this devalues everyone's personal data. Google makes billions out of your personal information. Are you sure what they provide is worth that much to you?

iPhone = unix phone. Android = unix phone. No contest.

You can play the same game with computers. It's not the OS that matters, it's the company that tweaks it. Apple just does the best job, at the best price. No really - you waste years of your life, just trying to get other vendor's machines to work. Again, people undervalue themselves for what amounts to only the deposit, not the actual cost of a machine/service.
 
I'm not quite understanding why Linux is considered to be bad. I installed Ubuntu 9.04 on my desktop and every single device plugged in was recognized and working immediately. The only driver I "needed" to install was the proprietary NVidia display driver.
 
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