Google CEO Calls FBI's Request for Apple Backdoor 'A Troubling Precedent'

[JamesPDX]

Apple should just release the information in the format the govt releases information to the public through fioa -

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That looks like a page from the Iran-Contra hearings publication.
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The scenario of the government snooping in our private lives is such a troubling issue that we collectively must leave no stone unturned to defeat any such future legislation re backdoors.

Under another guise, it is ultimately nothing less than another step in curtailing our freedoms.

Seriously, though it's about the IP addresses.

 

[macfacts]

No.

Some people will claim it could be done if they built a cracking app tied to the specific device UUID.

The problem with that is inevitably that codebase could fall into the wrong hands, then be reverse engineered to be able to be used on any iOS device.

It's a situation where the potential gains do not even come close to the immense risk this would pose.

For this "immense risk" to happen, the following has to happen:

1. FBI gets access to iOS source code (court order does not say FBI gets this).
2. FBI gets the signing keys for iOS (court order does not say FBI gets this).
3. FBI gets physical access to your iPhone.

Let me know when 1. and 2. happen.

 

[indiekiduk]

If they really wanted to get in his phone they would have looked at the school CCTV to see him entering it or simply asked his brother.

 

[HEK]

For this "immense risk" to happen, the following has to happen:

1. FBI gets access to iOS source code (court order does not say FBI gets this).
2. FBI gets the signing keys for iOS (court order does not say FBI gets this).
3. FBI gets physical access to your iPhone.

Let me know when 1. and 2. happen.

Or someone inside Apple decides that the million dollar bribe is worth the risk and steals the code selling it.

And the next court order, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the next,and the next...........oh hell this court order says to turn over the code.

Oh ****, the Chinese court want us to hack a phone they have. Now the Soviets, oh oh here's one from Britain. Saudies have a few phone as well.

Apple, we hold your privacy as most important*
*Unless requested by courts the world over.

Once it exists, all bets are off. It will leak. NO BACKDOOR !!!

 

[zioxide]

For this "immense risk" to happen, the following has to happen:

1. FBI gets access to iOS source code (court order does not say FBI gets this).
2. FBI gets the signing keys for iOS (court order does not say FBI gets this).
3. FBI gets physical access to your iPhone.

Let me know when 1. and 2. happen.

Or it could be leaked online by a rogue Apple employee or contractor.

It's not worth the risk and it's an extremely bad precedent to set.

And there is absolutely nothing to gain from it.

 

[WissMAN]

Actually this is partially incorrect. In this case the software that the FBI is asking for will only work on the iPhone in question. Apple would have to re-write the software for each individual iPhone 5C.

Also as it turns out Apple has the capabilities to update the operating system in the secure enclave to achieve the same results. You can read Ben Thompson's explanation of all this here.

I wonder if Apple wouldn't have been better served to hack this 5C quietly and save the court battle for a different time and a different case. No matter which way this goes there's going to be a large percentage of people not happy with the end result.

Good added detail! Seems I needed to dig deeper. Thanks for tightening up the details.

 

[Jambalaya]

It's clear you don't understand the technology at hand or the implications.

A search warrant is an antiquated concept that doesn't fit in a digital world. There is no way for Apple to help the FBI in this one case without compromising the integrity and security of the entire iOS platform.

"Maybe we might save a few lives" is not a good reason to put the 700+ million worldwide users of iOS at immense risk of identity theft and other hackers.

How very pompous of you. A search warrant is an entirely appropriate concept and Apple only changed their security mechanisms in 2014, so if what you say is true all their users where at great risk prior to then. Apple and the other providers are more than capable of working out how to safely access a device without leaving it vulnerable to hackers.
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It is very different, they want Apple to make something that doesn't exist. They have the phone and Apple has helped as far as it's able. No court order can make them design software.

The law/licensing terms of phones can be changed to require such access. No access = product not legal for sale/use. If Apple don't comply the law will be changed. Obama is trying to get the tech companies to agree voluntarily, the next POTUS will not be so timid.

 

[thermodynamic]

Dang. Whatever happened to everyone getting pissed off at government buying records from these companies to spy on us with and none of them minded at the time despite the amount of corporate welfare they get on a regular basis?!

This latest dog and pony show on their part is quite funny.
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Cook's unbendable stance is commendable.

If only the iPhone were as unbendable.

He supports terrorists and only not too long ago people were pissed off at Apple (and others) quietly collecting user data to give or sell or whatever.
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For this "immense risk" to happen, the following has to happen:

1. FBI gets access to iOS source code (court order does not say FBI gets this).
2. FBI gets the signing keys for iOS (court order does not say FBI gets this).
3. FBI gets physical access to your iPhone.

Let me know when 1. and 2. happen.

1. iOS is an augmented form of FreeBSD with NeXT thrown in. Big woop, anyone can guess a portion of it already.
2. As people have said, Apple just needs to unlock the one phone that the one terrorist had with the FBI dude watching. Simple.
3. Yet nobody cares about all the privacy stuff Apple already collects, some or at least at one point in plain text, apart from the news articles where people were whining about privacy too. The word "crock" comes to mind, and words surrounding it like "of", "big", and "cack" too.
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Apple should do what Edward Snowden did...

Give it all in 4-point text.

We can hear the song now: "Cook and Snowden, sitting in a tree"... two birds of a feather is what made me think of that, oddly.

Snowden, for whatever claims he made, were quickly debunked by opening up all sorts of stuff to known enemies (or at least not BFFs) long before telling US citizens of squat.

Can you or anyone really try to prove to anyone that Cook is doing this song and dance out of the goodness of his heart and for the benefit of Americans? Maybe so. A lot remains to be seen, though.