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Has Apple actually ever won a patent suit? They seem to sue a lot without much success. The HTC suit is still ongoing and frankly the two patents in question seem weak from a technical point of view.
 
Oh for the naysayers and people with their panties in a twist - he responded as a CEO of Google SHOULD respond. You can not like it all you want... but from a PR stand point it was exactly what and how it should be said.

When Jobs said something in a similar vane (about protecting their assets) most people on here applauded him.

This is no different and is great politics.

BTW - anyone who thinks that Android is going to die because of HTC's "skirmish" is deluding themselves.

I disagree. I think he *could* have responded by showing how google is innovative and how their product is different from/arguably superior to the iPhone. Instead all he said is a non-sensical, well apple isn't innovating. Only apple has a new OS coming out for the phones in a month or two, clearly continuing to update their products.

Unfortunately, he couldn't talk about what differentiates the two platforms because his company is the one failing to innovate in the OS market. There only truly innovative OS, chrome, is floundering and not shaping up to be a success.
 
This advertising company has one modus operandi:

See what's going on, and copy it, then give it away for free, cutting the legs out from under most competitors.

Hmm. . . . reminds me of a certain company in Redmond way back in 1990s. . . .
 
Has Apple actually ever won a patent suit? They seem to sue a lot without much success. The HTC suit is still ongoing and frankly the two patents in question seem weak from a technical point of view.

I think so too. There were a lot of other patents that were better and I thought Google violated as well. I think the issue comes down to people who don't use or understand technology are the ones judging the patents cases regarding the IP they don't comprehend.

It's like in my industry. The ones buying the technology and deploying it to schools don't understand how to use it or support it. So we have crazy decisions being made about digital tools, because they don't get it. Same with the patent cases if the judges got it maybe Apple would win more cases????? :D
 
I disagree. I think he *could* have responded by showing how google is innovative and how their product is different from/arguably superior to the iPhone. Instead all he said is a non-sensical, well apple isn't innovating. Only apple has a new OS coming out for the phones in a month or two, clearly continuing to update their products.

Unfortunately, he couldn't talk about what differentiates the two platforms because his company is the one failing to innovate in the OS market. There only truly innovative OS, chrome, is floundering and not shaping up to be a success.

The purpose of him being there and speaking wasn't because of the lawsuit or this issue. It was one SMALL part of a conference where it was brought up. So I don't think he should have or needed to go into further details. It's not like he held a press conference, etc.
 
Luckily for the OEM's Pushing Android devices, Google has already shown fierce loyalties to thier partners in previous attacks made by Microsoft........wait, what's that?.....

Oh. Nevermind then.
 
He should be worried. At least a little. Those ITC rulings are hard to overturn. Lucky for Google et al., the technologies that were ruled as infringing aren't crucial to Android.
 
At least Google, Apple and even HTC are DOING something whether it be innovating, competing or even copying one another... unlike the vague patent squatting litigation troll-tards that add absolutely no value to the process.
 
Is Eric T. Mole flapping his gums again?

What is it *this time*, Eric? It's not enough you ripped off Apple something serious, but you then have to point an accusatory finger at them. Apple made your market for you and for everyone else. And they're still doing it.

Apple is the one that has been doing all the "innovating" in the first place. Not little UI changes, but redefinitions of entire markets, and the creation of new ones. With stuff that at first blush baffles everyone, until Apple shows them it's "safe" to jump in.

Android would probably look like BlackBerry OS (just look at the original screenshots) if iOS hadn't been released. But Eric was taking notes at those board meetings.

First came the iPhone. Then, out of nowhere, everything else looked like an iPhone. Everyone else introduced an App Store modelled on the REAL App Store.

Apple releases the iPad. Then every other tablet out there (the also-rans suddenly got back into the game, I wonder why) started looking like an iPad. Well, alright, they *tried* to look like an iPad. But all they really provide is comic relief in doing so.

No wonder Steve was monumentally pissed at Eric.

Apple has been getting ripped off since 2007. They are now responding because there is too much out there that violates their IP. The infringements have reached critical mass. Apple is now looking to clean up the game. This is normal.

Agreed 100%! For Schmidt to say Apple sues instead of innovating shows him for the shark that he is.
 
Just as a little reminder, this is how the google phone prototype looked like before the iPhone was shown to the public:

google-phone-prototype[1].jpg


Just a copy of the RIM 'innovations' where the finally released one was a copy of the Apple 'innovations'.

Google had no idea how to build a good new innovative smart phone until they saw what Apple did - and than they copied and polished some edges - not truly innovative.
 
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Is Eric T. Mole flapping his gums again?

What is it *this time*, Eric? It's not enough you ripped off Apple something serious, but you then have to point an accusatory finger at them. Apple made your market for you and for everyone else. And they're still doing it.

Apple is the one that has been doing all the "innovating" in the first place. Not little UI changes, but redefinitions of entire markets, and the creation of new ones. With stuff that at first blush baffles everyone, until Apple shows them it's "safe" to jump in.

Android would probably look like BlackBerry OS (just look at the original screenshots) if iOS hadn't been released. But Eric was taking notes at those board meetings.

First came the iPhone. Then, out of nowhere, everything else looked like an iPhone. Everyone else introduced an App Store modelled on the REAL App Store.

Apple releases the iPad. Then every other tablet out there (the also-rans suddenly got back into the game, I wonder why) started looking like an iPad. Well, alright, they *tried* to look like an iPad.

No wonder Steve was monumentally pissed at Eric.

Apple has been getting ripped off since 2007. They are now responding because there is too much out there that violates their IP. The infringements have reached critical mass. Apple is now looking to clean up the game. This is normal.

Just wanted to say that I love your post and your signature. It kinda puts that whole "our competitors can't innovate" into perspective. The funniest thing is that iOS has ripped off Android's notifications (and improved them slightly), but this is like the one area that Apple has copied Google's copying and Android fans will be pointing to it for the next decade.

Let's see....

1) Apple makes a one-button phone that is dominated by a touch screen and a single button area below, now everybody does.'
OUTCRY: There are only so many ways you can make a smartphone look!
REALITY: When iPhone came out no phone looked like that and every newspaper called the design innovative and brilliant.

2) Apple makes a tablet that looks mostly the same as their iPhone, and now everybody does the same.
OUTCRY: There are only so many ways you can make a tablet look!
REALITY: iPad differed significantly from all its predecessor tablets and only borrows from iPhone and iPod touch. Again, the press referred to the design as innovative.

3) Apple copies Android's notifications.
OUTCRY: Apple is copying Android! Look everybody! Look!
REALITY: Apple copied Android, which in turn borrows from the superior WebOS notifications. Aren't there only so many ways you can do notifications? ;) Thankfully no, since the original iOS notifications were about as bad a the original Android UI.

4) Apple announces iTunes WiFi backup and sync.
OUTCRY: Android has done this for years, Apple is copying Android.
REALITY: Android does not "sync" to anything but the cloud and does not offer "backup" -- this is completely different. What Android does is more akin to the iCloud features.

5) Apple announces iCloud push of Apps, Music and Books.
OUTCRY: Android has had over-the-air app installs for years iOS is finally getting this!
REALITY: iOS had over-the-air app installation first. This feature is about pushing stuff you bought on one device/computer to another device without syncing. Android has allowed you to push apps to your device since inception, and has just added a half-baked music hard-drive-in-the-sky solution -- certainly Apple did not develop iCloud in that month since Google's rush-to-market beta announcement.

6) Apple announces iCloud backup.
OUTCRY: [silence]
REALITY: You still cannot backup an Android device without rooting it. Although I think I heard this is coming in Ice Cream Sandwich.

I could go on. The two sides have certainly copied each other, but if I had to pick a side that was innovating and breaking new ground rather than just adding on the missing pieces after copying the other guy, I would have to say that Apple is more innovative. Certainly, both innovate, but Google has done more following in Apple's wake than they have done trailblazing in the mobile device space.
 
He would be a hypocrite if Google was suing other companies over patents, which it's not. Please, explain to me, how is Eric / google a hypocrite?

Everything goes on Macrumors - logic and facts are optional in team sport. Simplicity rules - For my "team" == Clap Hands, Against my "team" == Attack while keeping the logic weapon far aside.

Now. Back to your regularly scheduled hating.
 
Has Apple actually ever won a patent suit? They seem to sue a lot without much success. The HTC suit is still ongoing and frankly the two patents in question seem weak from a technical point of view.

Apple was successful in removing products from companies that copied the iMac.
 
honestly competition is a good thing, it allows companies to advance their technologies and provide better services to their customers. Google's comment is more of an "look at me, we are not going to phased by this" and we are going to protect the underdog if you will.

If it wasn't for Apple releasing their iphone we wouldn't be were we are today. If Apple didn't release their ipad no one else would have (at that point in time at least). On the other hand when other companies released their versions of smart phones they were either poorly designed or just in general BAD. example blackberry playbook.
 
He would be a hypocrite if Google was suing other companies over patents, which it's not. Please, explain to me, how is Eric / google a hypocrite?

Google does not have a big enough patent portfolio to backup any sort of offensive move in this area, or else they would be. The whole "don't be evil" slogan changed to "be as evil as you can get away with" many years ago. I have no doubt that Google would resort to any means to achieve an end. Why else would a once-champion of internet standards be pushing Adobe Flash in such a big way? One answer, they want Flash proliferation on the Internet to continue to undermine Apple's iOS devices. They through "open" and "standards" under the bus faster than you can blink with Chrome inclusion of Flash and the introduction of WebM and removal of H.264 from Chrome to proliferate the use of Flash player to view videos.

Luckily for the OEM's Pushing Android devices, Google has already shown fierce loyalties to thier partners in previous attacks made by Microsoft........wait, what's that?.....

Oh. Nevermind then.

Yup. Microsoft has made Android into a $1B per year business for themselves.

Hilarious!

When I think of innovation, I definitely think of... google android.

...how's that tablet comin goofballs?

Certainly not Android. Google's greatest innovations are on the Web. Google Maps and Google Translate are awesome -- and so is their search. Google, however, did not patent this stuff and resorted to "trade secrets" since it is all server-side code. If they had patents on stuff like this they may be going after others, but they would still need enough in patents to be able to withstand the counter-suit and come out on the positive end of a cross-licensing agreement. Since Google was founded in 1998, they are a bit poor on the patent-portfolio side. This is why Google would love to see patents done away with -- so they would be free to copy everybody without the threat of retaliation.
 
Oh for the naysayers and people with their panties in a twist - he responded as a CEO of Google SHOULD respond. You can not like it all you want... but from a PR stand point it was exactly what and how it should be said.

When Jobs said something in a similar vane (about protecting their assets) most people on here applauded him.

This is no different and is great politics.

BTW - anyone who thinks that Android is going to die because of HTC's "skirmish" is deluding themselves.

Hypocrites! The matter that it is normal for him to say this in his position does not equal anything that he is right. Totally ********!
 
So what exactly is innovative about Android? It doesn't exactly have some breakthrough innovative thing that hasn't been done before. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but this is just a sound bite and not a real argument. Unfortunately the media and people at large digest pithy sound bites over actual fact.

For starters how about the notification screen that Apple is now ripping off Android for IOS 5. How about the cloud that Apple is not ripping off them? I switched to an Android based phone after having two iPhones and it is a much better platform than the iPhone. Unfortunately, the fanboys don't take time to really get to know what they're bashing, they just bash and run off a the mouth because it's what fanboys do. Once you've seen how great Google integration is you'll never go want to go back to an iPhone.
 
Let me tell Eric Schmidt something. Apple has only had 4 smart phones in 4 years and that business model has netted them billions. All the while them tired a** Anhoids(I SPELLED IT THAT WAY ON PURPOSE!) have innovated(aka:changed the button orientation) and littered the tech space with tons of unsold sh**!!!!!!!!!!!
Eric needs o sit his a** down and ****!
 
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