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That is what I meant with the Apples innovation is the 'whole package' - there was nothing like it before. Some 'parts' and 'components' existed but not as well done as in the iPhone.
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Google Chairman 'Not Too Worried' About Apple Lawsuits Over Android
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That is what I meant with the Apples innovation is the 'whole package' - there was nothing like it before. Some 'parts' and 'components' existed but not as well done as in the iPhone.
Popeye206
macrumors 68040
Sorry.... but I disagree. When they do innovate, it's major.
Where Apple innovates the most is usually not with any one technology, but how the whole package comes together. They have totally changed the electronics market as others have seen what good UI and total user experience can do for a product. Apple is a master of the total product experience. As well as innovative.
Where people call the "fanboys" blind sheep, I see the "na-sayers" as just as blind to what Apple has done.
law guy
macrumors 65816
Apple isn't responding to competition with lawsuits, it's responding to to theft of its protected innovations with lawsuits. The Google statement is twist on Steve Jobs comment the other day that its competitors would rather steal its ideas than pursue their own innovations and compete. The problem with it though is that it doesn't work well turned around on Apple, who just won the first round in the patent case affirming that it was Apple that was the innovator and had the property right.
deputy_doofy
macrumors 65816
Exactly. People can argue with you. Call you a troll. Call you a fanboy. But there were NO PHONES like the iPhone until AFTER the iPhone. At least HP is ATTEMPTING to be their own thing.
BC2009
macrumors 68020
Like I said, Apple has not historically gone after competitors with patents since the major competitor that copied them was Microsoft and they have many patents that Apple needs as well. So I do not recall any patent suits Apple has won, nor do I recall many patent suits they have lost. The next 18 months should give evidence of the strength of Apple's patent portfolio. I do know that Nokia cross-licensed with Apple, but Nokia had the bigger portfolio in the mobile phone space, and therefore the cross-license deal involves Apple paying money to Nokia, though both get rights to each other's patents. Essentially, Apple paid for rights to Nokia patents with cash and with rights to their own patents -- surely Nokia saw value in licensing the Apple patents or else they would have just asked for more cash and told Apple to keep their patent rights.
0815
macrumors 68000
If it is so bad, why is Samsung copying it in so much detail in their UI layer?
Shouldn't they in that case stay away from it as far as possible and use their better innovative design to their advantage? Guess it is not that bad after all.
dBeats
macrumors 6502a
The first time I saw Android in action, the conversation went like this...
Me: "Oh cool a new phone?!? Wow what is that a new version of iOS?"
Other Guy: "No it's Android, way better than iPhone."
Me: "It looks like they just ripped off the UI like a bad Chinese knock-off"
Other Guy: "No, it's much better. Except I keep sending text messages to the wrong people, I think I need to reconfigure my....." (My attention trails off and I just respond..)
Me: "Well, Good luck with that.... let me know if the spaceship makes it to Mars."
Me: "Oh cool a new phone?!? Wow what is that a new version of iOS?"
Other Guy: "No it's Android, way better than iPhone."
Me: "It looks like they just ripped off the UI like a bad Chinese knock-off"
Other Guy: "No, it's much better. Except I keep sending text messages to the wrong people, I think I need to reconfigure my....." (My attention trails off and I just respond..)
Me: "Well, Good luck with that.... let me know if the spaceship makes it to Mars."
I don't hate Google quite as much as you do. Actually, I don't really hate them at all. Aside from your last sentence, I totally agree. I was about to post something quite similar to this. I think Facebook, Apple, and Microsoft could team up and shut them down. But then who would be left to do all the innovating? 😉
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Yes, one of the requirements to be a chairman of Google is to be clueless.🙄
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wikus
macrumors 68000
I'm not defending samsung nor was it a comparison directly for Android, so don't put words into my mouth and don't act like the typical apple fanboy on this forum. Nowhere in my comment did I make any reference to the Samsung or Android itself. So congratulations on perpetuating this ridiculous hatred against another corporation and praise towards another that doesnt care about you AT ALL.
But if you want my take on the whole situation:
Samsungs grid of icons is not the home screen. It works fine as a screen to display your applications as shortcuts, literally every mobile phone manufacturer has been this LONG before Apple has.
HOWEVER, as a homescreen, its crap.
PlipPlop
macrumors 6502a
He shouldnt be worried. Android has over 550k new activations a day and is still growing! Just imagine if they get to a million a day! Its a great OS with some of the industries top phones such as the Galaxy S2 and the Sensation. They just keep raising the bar with new features of Android. Ios is just left in the dust and has been playing catch up to Android for ages. Apple just keep copying features of Android such as the notification system.
Keep on raising the bar for everyone Google.
Keep on raising the bar for everyone Google.
Let's start this **** again.
- Google's cloud? Ever heard of iTools? MobileMe has accomplished the same things for years and iCloud just takes it further. Google could even imagine what Apple is going to achieve with iCloud. And what's the copy nonsense? What do you mean, copying Google's cloud?
- Android notifications: yeah the same **** UNIX, Macintosh systems, WindowsMobile have had for years. Yeah right.
- RIM's BBM: ACQ, Gtalk, windows messenger, other chat clients. Are they not a copy? Oh, you mean they also work on a computer that's why they are different? Or you mean that they need an email address or an ID for identification but iMessage does not?
Get over it: even BBM needs an identification which is the so called 'BB-Pin'. Apple just took 'chat' (and not BBM) to the next level where everything is integrated. BBM is a different client and is not integrated with messaging at all; although iMessage is. I know that webOS probably owns this department, but iMessage is a great improvement. You just don't need any support. It just works.
And yes, I need you to reply as I'm pretty sure you're going to Engadget next and posting the same non-sense there.
While he may not be a hypocrite at the surface. Google's "successes" are due to them copying Apple's IP.
For him to tell competitors to innovate instead of sue is some what hypocritical because google doesn't innovate themselves. Google just copies what ever Apple or Facebook are doing, but offer it for free by funding it through advertising. (I do recognize that Facebook is free)
Having one's IP protected (and having the ability to sue) so one can profit from ones IP is what encourages innovation in the first place.
Schmidt by telling others to innovate when his company simply poaches other's ideas, diminishing ones incentives to innovate, seems pretty hypocritical to me.
The Nokia suit was a bit different from most others. Apple wasn't claiming that the patents were invalid, rather that Nokia was asking unfair terms for licensing. Since the suit was settled, we don't know the specific terms of the deal. For all we know Apple got the price they wanted. As a result we can't claim that Nokia 'won'.
Everybody pays Nokia. Their patents are intrinsic to GMS and wifi.
(except Google. Google doesn't sell anything that requires a license. Android phones are sold by HTC, Moto, Samsung, etc... They have licenses with Nokia already)
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Wow, really??? Ok, lets set up a table with Google on one side, and Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, and all the original search engine providers on the other. Infringements against each side cancel each other out, one for one. Who do you think would be left holding all the excess?
Aside from that obvious analogy, I am pretty sure that Google and RIM do not hold the patents that the cited products are based on anyway.
I don't hate them as much as it was in my post.
I do use most of their services. Even planning to quit Facebook just cause I need something new for e.g. Google+ or twitter.
It's just that 'their' evil practices and their hypocritical behaviour is beyond me now. I just can't stand them.
shartypants
macrumors 6502a
Eric Schmidt is such a hoser, he said Apple hasn't responded with innovation? Apple products are way more innovative than Android, that is why they are suing Android because it copies other companies innovation.
NT1440
macrumors P6
Google has dozens and dozens of side projects that are extremely innovative, don't overlook those. The problem is they let them run for about a year, and if some sort of spectacular demand hasn't appeared (out of nowhere for products they barely advertise) it gets shut down.
I wouldn't have a problem with this if the BS "Don't be evil" mantra included a policy that any cancelled or discontinued projects get released as open source projects for the world to use. I really liked their health tracker idea as well as the energy usage project, both killed recently.
Apple is using notifications like the Palm system and the system in the Cydia store. Interestingly, both of those developers actually work for Apple now.
Perhaps you had a good experience with a phone running the Android OS, congratulations. The mistake you are making is refering to Android as if it represents some consistent experience.
Google's cloud? On what planet. Palm and Cydia notifications sure. There were actually IM programs on mobile devices before BBM, and iMessage works a lot more like Facetime chat then bbm.
silentnite
macrumors 6502a
Nah, Android will die when Larry Ellison drives a stake thru it's heart for ripping off Java.
HTC and all the other clone phone makers will switch to Windows mobile to avoid the fees and a dead-end platform.
All your patents does belong to us.
Too bad for all the droids out there.