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Windows is another platform, so that's one crossing. (I'm not a native English speaker, so things might be lost in translation, how many platforms must you cover before it's ok to say your software is cross platform? )
I just mentioned that already. Don’t you think an Android phone is pretty common and an open source operating system. Or different browsers.

If it’s available with restrictions on one other platform then it’s typically. Just a case of available on those named platforms, even calling it multi platform is a marketing team being overly generous with the truth.
 
Passkeys are stored in iCloud Keychain, buy a new phone, sign in to iCloud, your keychain syncs to the device and you've got your passkeys back.

If you choose to store them in 1Password or BitWarden or whatever password manager you want to use, install it and let your passkeys sync back to it.

So I still need to use passwords...
Sync back passkeys or sync back passwords... I fail to see the extra benefit of passkeys here?
 
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Bring FaceID to Macs and Apple Displays already!
I don’t think it works far enough away at this point. I struggle with it as is being too far away from my iPad 12.9. It definitely needs a stronger sensor.
 
So I still need to use passwords...
Sync back passkeys or sync back passwords... I fail to see the extra benefit of passkeys here?
Yes. I don’t think all site will go to this, at lest not for years, if they even do. Passkey will help people a little who don’t use a password manager and who don’t use an unique password for every account.
 
So I still need to use passwords...
Sync back passkeys or sync back passwords... I fail to see the extra benefit of passkeys here?

Yes. I don’t think all site will go to this, at lest not for years, if they even do. Passkey will help people a little who don’t use a password manager and who don’t use an unique password for every account.
There is also an actual benefit to it in that you store your password/key opposed to the website you want to access. As such you aren’t actually sharing your password. A huge security improvement hence 1Password and the likes are immediately supporting it. Same as with SSO.
 
There is also an actual benefit to it in that you store your password/key opposed to the website you want to access. As such you aren’t actually sharing your password. A huge security improvement hence 1Password and the likes are immediately supporting it. Same as with SSO.
Don’t get me wrong, I see benefits. There have been so many “kill passwords” and don’t take off, it’s a little hard to think this is the one.
 
Don’t get me wrong, I see benefits. There have been so many “kill passwords” and don’t take off, it’s a little hard to think this is the one.
I don’t necessarily disagree. Too many people still don’t get it and don’t care about security. There is a big online divide. And if professionally people can’t be bothered they are certainly not going to do it privately.

I’m lucky I’ve grown up with the concept of not your keys not your property. My grandparents always did their banking like that in privacy aware jurisdictions way before it was a thing with cyber security, internet etc.

The masses won’t get it.
 
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I don’t necessarily disagree. Too many people still don’t get it and don’t care about security. There is a big online divide. And if professionally people can’t be bothered they are certainly not going to do it privately.

I’m lucky I’ve grown up with the concept of not your keys not your property. My grandparents always did their banking like that in privacy aware jurisdictions way before it was a thing with cyber security, internet etc.

The masses won’t get it.
Exactly, I couldn’t agree with you more. The people who are in these type of tech forums/sites will probably use it. Ones who aren‘t on these sites and don’t care about technology won’t even know about this.
 
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How would you send a passkey to someone on a desktop windows machine on the other side of the country?

You don't. That's the point. This prevents phishing. You shouldn't be emailing or texting someone your Passkey which is how phishing has compromised passwords in our current paradigm.

Sites that require multiple users should implement managed access instead. If your colleague across the country is supposed to have access to the company's bank account or a Google Drive file, then their profile should be given access to that account or file. They log into their profile with their own login, not the boss' password.

Cross platform compatibility is an issue that's being worked on and apps like 1Password will smooth that out for groups of people with a mix of Apple/Windows/Android devices. 1Password will bring managed access to all sites and apps, though sites and apps should offer it themselves. To reiterate, 1Password won't be storing passwords, only Passkeys which can't be seen, only shared with managed access.
 
Has anyone seen any of the big sites out there supporting Passkeys/WebAthn yet? I’ve yet to come across one in the wild. I saw articles that PayPal was starting to roll it out in October, but it hasn’t shown up for me as an option yet.
Only one I have seen/used is ebay
 
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So I still need to use passwords...
Sync back passkeys or sync back passwords... I fail to see the extra benefit of passkeys here?
Do you mean because you'd still be using a password for the sync service to unlock/sync them all? Yeah, you might, but that's not a password in the traditional sense. That word/phrase wouldn't be *hashed* and matched to identify you, it would be a "key* used to decrypt your passkeys. I know this sounds like nonsense, and it's a problem for adoption, but it's huge.

One less technical benefit is that even at their best, password managers don't work that well. Everyone has sites where the auto generated passwords don't work. Say the site tells you it requires a special character or something, lots of banks still do this when the generator just uses a long string of characters and dashes. Or several passwords for one site with multiple subdomains gets saved, and picking through them becomes a hassle. All that goes away with passkeys.

There are still huge benefits, but the reasoning for those is very technical, and yes, this is a big problem for passkey adoption.

Your password manager is storing a secret that can be *replayed*. If I intercept your browser authenticating to the website, I can use your password later. If I intercept the equivalent with a passkey, I have virtually nothing of value. (I can probably compromise your one session that was just created.) If the site gets compromised and your password is publickly leaked, anyone can just use it. Passkeys are storing "asymmetric" keys. The website has the "public" half, you have the "private" half. If the website gets compromised, essentially nothing matters. The public key can literally be public, and essentially zero security is lost.

The ripple effects of this are huge. 99% of the impact of website account breaches just go away.

Hopefully even if a lot of people don't see good reasoning to switch all of their old accounts over to passkeys, Apple and Google making registering for accounts using them so simple that people will start to anyways. They benefit massively even if they don't understand why.
 
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Robinhood now supports passkeys!

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If this becomes a standard, 1Password could see a massive decline in users…
I paid for 1Password since back when it was called 1Passwd; the very beginning. But I jumped ship the moment they switched to a subscription model. I should not have to pay monthly to store information. Syncing is handled by Apple' servers; Agile just added extra "features" to justify paying for a subscription when it could have easily been "buy it once you own it, get a discount for updates" but nooooo.
 
What the heck are you talking about? 1Password never got breached.
I would bet they're confusing it with LastPass. LastPass was breached recently, but even there, it's extremely unlikely any password data was involved.

 
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If this becomes a standard, 1Password could see a massive decline in users…
If you don't want to use iCloud to store PassKeys or are storing passwords for a company you might need to use something like 1Password still. 1Password is fully embracing PassKeys.

Although I would frankly be fine with it becoming less necessary. When 1Password moved to Electron, it was a huge disappointment.
 
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There is also an actual benefit to it in that you store your password/key opposed to the website you want to access. As such you aren’t actually sharing your password. A huge security improvement hence 1Password and the likes are immediately supporting it. Same as with SSO.

What you mean I do not store my password on the site? I thought sites stores a hash of my password so even if someone gets his hand on it its no use to them. I believe with passkeys its a 2 key system, one with the site and one with my device. So is there any real benefit? unless hashed passwords can be broken which I believe is very difficult using 256bit encryption if i am not mistaken.
Do you mean because you'd still be using a password for the sync service to unlock/sync them all? Yeah, you might, but that's not a password in the traditional sense. That word/phrase wouldn't be *hashed* and matched to identify you, it would be a "key* used to decrypt your passkeys. I know this sounds like nonsense, and it's a problem for adoption, but it's huge.

One less technical benefit is that even at their best, password managers don't work that well. Everyone has sites where the auto generated passwords don't work. Say the site tells you it requires a special character or something, lots of banks still do this when the generator just uses a long string of characters and dashes. Or several passwords for one site with multiple subdomains gets saved, and picking through them becomes a hassle. All that goes away with passkeys.

There are still huge benefits, but the reasoning for those is very technical, and yes, this is a big problem for passkey adoption.

Your password manager is storing a secret that can be *replayed*. If I intercept your browser authenticating to the website, I can use your password later. If I intercept the equivalent with a passkey, I have virtually nothing of value. (I can probably compromise your one session that was just created.) If the site gets compromised and your password is publickly leaked, anyone can just use it. Passkeys are storing "asymmetric" keys. The website has the "public" half, you have the "private" half. If the website gets compromised, essentially nothing matters. The public key can literally be public, and essentially zero security is lost.

The ripple effects of this are huge. 99% of the impact of website account breaches just go away.

Hopefully even if a lot of people don't see good reasoning to switch all of their old accounts over to passkeys, Apple and Google making registering for accounts using them so simple that people will start to anyways. They benefit massively even if they don't understand why.

How is the password is intercepted in HTTPS site?
plus, lets say I buy a new iphone and I have to login into my iCloud. How can I use passkeys? I have to use my iCloud password. And as they say, you are only as strong as your weakest link. So yeah, the passwords are still there.

One benefit I can see is that one click login. Its better than filling 2 fields and some times you fill the user name at one site then get forwarded to another site to input the password. very slight improvement though.
 
Your public key is stored yes, not your password. If you can't see the benefit of that, then I don't know how else to explain it, I'm afraid.
 
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It will be much more interesting when we can login to google itself with a passkey.
 
Not sure it’d be that useful

In order to use faceID on iPhones , you need to confirm it by double clicking on the power button , as a measure of prevention

They will do the same on Mac (else it wouldn’t be very secure ) so you’d have to click nay double click on some button ( say power or enter)

If you’re clicking , why not just use the power button’s Touch ID ?
This is the same with Android. It has touch on power and face, so why would I choose face when an app opens instead of just tapping power
 
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